(Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby mshunter77 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:08 pm

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Po Monkey Lounger wrote:I can live with Deltamud's prediction. :wink:

2012: 7 wins
2013: 8 wins
2014: 9 wins
2015: 10 wins
2016: ??
That is pretty much the unspoken basis of my prediction, Po Monk. The reality is that the key is the beat Bama. OM is the only SEC school that has proven to know how to do that in the last two years.

Freeze spoke about it last night on the pre-game ESPN broadcast. He said, first to beat Bama you have to win 1st down. Second, you have to spread them horizontally as well. OM has the scheme and athletes to do this...which puts them ahead of almost all of the SEC right out of the gate. (Look at LSU for a comparator - LSU ran straight into the heart of the Bama defense on first down over 90% of the time this year - took low percentage passes the other times. As a result, they were 2nd and 3rd and long the whole game). OM did some of what Clemson did...spread it out, even if only for 4 and 5 yard gains. Then the QB can pick up third downs with his feet when needed.

I think Freeze obviously knows how to beat Bama more so than any other coach. He also has the athletes to do it.

Since OM gets Bama at home, early, I think they win another close one and run the SEC table after that to win the west. I do think they may lose to FSU in Orlando. I could see them going undefeated though in the regular season.

As an aside, if and when OM beats Bama for the third straight year, I predict there to be some interesting story lines between the two schools when the loss actually knocks Bama out of playoff contention (as would have been the case this year but for the Arky miracle). :wink:
What did Freeze say when Corso said teams don't beat Bama, Bama only beats themselves and turned and looked at Freeze saying you know what I mean.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby camlock » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:29 pm

mshunter77 wrote: What did Freeze say when Corso said teams don't beat Bama, Bama only beats themselves and turned and looked at Freeze saying you know what I mean.
Corso should be glad Freeze didn't embarass him. I think probably some coaches would have; Corso can barely form sentences and it's very sad to see his decline...right or wrong, no talk analyst should put any coach in that position that way...I guess when you're 80 and senile you get away with things (even dropping F bombs on live TV).
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby mshunter77 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:49 pm

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mshunter77 wrote: What did Freeze say when Corso said teams don't beat Bama, Bama only beats themselves and turned and looked at Freeze saying you know what I mean.
Corso should be glad Freeze didn't embarass him. I think probably some coaches would have; Corso can barely form sentences and it's very sad to see his decline...right or wrong, no talk analyst should put any coach in that position that way...I guess when you're 80 and senile you get away with things (even dropping F bombs on live TV).
Herbie said basically the same thing when talking to freeze about how to beat Bama. Face it Ole Miss does not have some magical blue print to beat Bama. They got lucky this year and pretty much everybody outside of Oxford admits it. Not just Bama fans.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby mossyisland » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:48 pm

So after all these years of great Alabama defenses and getting turnovers and then scoring off those turnovers, those points shouldn't have counted for ole miss? Then by all means let's congratulate Clemson on their national championship. I think Alabama scored a touchdown after a interception last night. So Clemson won, by bama logic right?

All the bama fans that scream about Ole Miss' lucky points off turnovers in the game this year look crazy. Actually you want to talk luck, Ole Miss should have won by 21. Change the tipped onside kick, which was illegal, Ole Miss takes over and runs the clock out and wins by at least 13.

Was Ole Miss better overall than Alabama this year? No! They have been for two days the last two years though.

I see the Alabama/Ole Miss hype reaching the hype of the Al/LSU a few years ago. I think until LSU finds a QB, the Al/OM game decides the west for the next few years.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby skywalker » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:32 am

What a bunch of whiners....you can see a major difference here. Ole Miss once again focused on beating Bama and that is their 'war cry'.......Bama is once again focused on ANOTHER championship.....Ole Miss won a big game, great, but once again fell short in winning it all. Smok'em if u got'em rebs....
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby webbmaster » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:26 am

I'm kinda glad Bama lost to OM. Turned their whole season around.

Not really sure why this is still being discussed....turnovers, blueprints, etc.

Both teams had great seasons by their standards.

Bama would have been in playoffs regardless of the 4th and 25.

I like LSU to win the West next year.

Corso can't make a complete sentence. I feel sorry for the guy.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby mshunter77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:24 am

mossyisland wrote:So after all these years of great Alabama defenses and getting turnovers and then scoring off those turnovers, those points shouldn't have counted for ole miss? Then by all means let's congratulate Clemson on their national championship. I think Alabama scored a touchdown after a interception last night. So Clemson won, by bama logic right?

All the bama fans that scream about Ole Miss' lucky points off turnovers in the game this year look crazy. Actually you want to talk luck, Ole Miss should have won by 21. Change the tipped onside kick, which was illegal, Ole Miss takes over and runs the clock out and wins by at least 13.

Was Ole Miss better overall than Alabama this year? No! They have been for two days the last two years though.

I see the Alabama/Ole Miss hype reaching the hype of the Al/LSU a few years ago. I think until LSU finds a QB, the Al/OM game decides the west for the next few years.
The point is Bama rarely gives up 5 turnovers, that is a fluke not something special done by Ole Miss. Did Ole Miss force some of the turnovers yes. Did Ole Miss force the two turnovers from a WR running the wrong route? No. Did Ole Miss have an extremely lucky play for a TD and another one that should have been brought back for lineman way down the field? Yes. The point is Bama had 5 turnovers, ole miss had basically two free TDs off a fluke play and another that was a run but Kelly decided to throw it and should have been called back and Ole Miss still only won by a TD. So tell me how that has to do with some magical blueprint. Did Ole Miss come out and play good and give it their all? Yes they did and it paid off for them.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby Deltamud77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:30 am

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:With Chad Kelly returning, I like Ole Miss's chances next year of improving in the overall win column, whatever that might mean from an SEC West standing and title standpoint. Specifically, that would mean 11 total wins for the season.

My optimism is primarily based upon Kelly's return (huge IMO) and the addition of Shea Patterson, who will be able to go through spring practice with the team. Having Shea will enable the Ole Miss coaching staff to turn Kelly loose to run the ball from the get go, at least against the better teams on the schedule like FSU, Bama, etc. Our read option offense was much, much better in the last 5 games once Kelly started keeping the ball himself on occasion based upon his reads at the LOS, and running out of the pocket when there was open green ahead. Prior to that, the coaches had deliberately held him back in order to protect him. (Having Tunsil back, helped a lot as well).
Shea Patterson will win a Heisman in Freeze's offense...maybe as early as 2017. He is literally the perfect fit for Hugh Freeze. While I am not an Ole Miss fan, I must say it is pretty phenomenal what Freeze has done in Oxford. Outside of Nick Saban and maybe Urban Myer, I am not sure there is another coach that could have come into that situation and done what has been done in Oxford.

As bad as fans don't want to admit it (LSU, Bama and State fans in particular), he is building a monster in Oxford. I know there is speculation about paying players. Well...news flash...they are all paying....OM has obviously figured out a way to do it better or make themselves more attractive in the process. The NCAA is powerless to stop it and the SEC knows this so that topic, IMO, is dead.

So, I stand by my prediction that OM wins the SEC next year and they will be in contention for it as long as Shea Patterson is on campus as well. He is that good...he is Manziel without the baggage.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby Deltamud77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:35 am

mshunter77 wrote:
mossyisland wrote:So after all these years of great Alabama defenses and getting turnovers and then scoring off those turnovers, those points shouldn't have counted for ole miss? Then by all means let's congratulate Clemson on their national championship. I think Alabama scored a touchdown after a interception last night. So Clemson won, by bama logic right?

All the bama fans that scream about Ole Miss' lucky points off turnovers in the game this year look crazy. Actually you want to talk luck, Ole Miss should have won by 21. Change the tipped onside kick, which was illegal, Ole Miss takes over and runs the clock out and wins by at least 13.

Was Ole Miss better overall than Alabama this year? No! They have been for two days the last two years though.

I see the Alabama/Ole Miss hype reaching the hype of the Al/LSU a few years ago. I think until LSU finds a QB, the Al/OM game decides the west for the next few years.
The point is Bama rarely gives up 5 turnovers, that is a fluke not something special done by Ole Miss. Did Ole Miss force some of the turnovers yes. Did Ole Miss force the two turnovers from a WR running the wrong route? No. Did Ole Miss have an extremely lucky play for a TD and another one that should have been brought back for lineman way down the field? Yes. The point is Bama had 5 turnovers, ole miss had basically two free TDs off a fluke play and another that was a run but Kelly decided to throw it and should have been called back and Ole Miss still only won by a TD. So tell me how that has to do with some magical blueprint. Did Ole Miss come out and play good and give it their all? Yes they did and it paid off for them.
A win is a win is a win.

Had Bama not received an incredibly fortuitous bounce on an outside kick the other night, they lose to Clemson.

As incredible as it has been, OM has beat Bama two years in a row...and will probably beat them three years in a row. Let's not forget that one of Bama's TDs two years ago was the result of a blatant facemask that resulted in a fumble, scoop and score.

It goes both ways.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby webbmaster » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:03 am

WHO GIVES A RATS booty ABOUT 5 TURNOVERS.

Let it go.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

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Deltamud77 wrote: While I am not an Ole Miss fan
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby camlock » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:17 am

The blueprint is simply that Ole Miss has found a way to consistently compete with that team (where few others have) and be in position to win that game and has been successful in it....all this bickering of the ebb and flow and specific plays is fan boy $#!+ and I feel very sure you the coaches of either team don't concern themselves with what if's rather than the results
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby mshunter77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:48 am

Deltamud77 wrote:
Po Monkey Lounger wrote:With Chad Kelly returning, I like Ole Miss's chances next year of improving in the overall win column, whatever that might mean from an SEC West standing and title standpoint. Specifically, that would mean 11 total wins for the season.

My optimism is primarily based upon Kelly's return (huge IMO) and the addition of Shea Patterson, who will be able to go through spring practice with the team. Having Shea will enable the Ole Miss coaching staff to turn Kelly loose to run the ball from the get go, at least against the better teams on the schedule like FSU, Bama, etc. Our read option offense was much, much better in the last 5 games once Kelly started keeping the ball himself on occasion based upon his reads at the LOS, and running out of the pocket when there was open green ahead. Prior to that, the coaches had deliberately held him back in order to protect him. (Having Tunsil back, helped a lot as well).
Shea Patterson will win a Heisman in Freeze's offense...maybe as early as 2017. He is literally the perfect fit for Hugh Freeze. While I am not an Ole Miss fan, I must say it is pretty phenomenal what Freeze has done in Oxford. Outside of Nick Saban and maybe Urban Myer, I am not sure there is another coach that could have come into that situation and done what has been done in Oxford.

As bad as fans don't want to admit it (LSU, Bama and State fans in particular), he is building a monster in Oxford. I know there is speculation about paying players. Well...news flash...they are all paying....OM has obviously figured out a way to do it better or make themselves more attractive in the process. The NCAA is powerless to stop it and the SEC knows this so that topic, IMO, is dead.

So, I stand by my prediction that OM wins the SEC next year and they will be in contention for it as long as Shea Patterson is on campus as well. He is that good...he is Manziel without the baggage.
You are correct that everybody is paying players and it is just going to get worse because the NCAA enforcement is a joke. Ole Miss is maybe doing it on a bigger scale than some other teams and have found ways around it such as "loaner vehicles". Pretty bad when an Alabama player has to sit out several games because of things Ole Miss did in his recruiting.
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Re: (Yearly) Way Too Early 2016 SEC Prediction Thread

Postby Deltamud77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:17 am

mshunter77 wrote:
Deltamud77 wrote:
Po Monkey Lounger wrote:With Chad Kelly returning, I like Ole Miss's chances next year of improving in the overall win column, whatever that might mean from an SEC West standing and title standpoint. Specifically, that would mean 11 total wins for the season.

My optimism is primarily based upon Kelly's return (huge IMO) and the addition of Shea Patterson, who will be able to go through spring practice with the team. Having Shea will enable the Ole Miss coaching staff to turn Kelly loose to run the ball from the get go, at least against the better teams on the schedule like FSU, Bama, etc. Our read option offense was much, much better in the last 5 games once Kelly started keeping the ball himself on occasion based upon his reads at the LOS, and running out of the pocket when there was open green ahead. Prior to that, the coaches had deliberately held him back in order to protect him. (Having Tunsil back, helped a lot as well).
Shea Patterson will win a Heisman in Freeze's offense...maybe as early as 2017. He is literally the perfect fit for Hugh Freeze. While I am not an Ole Miss fan, I must say it is pretty phenomenal what Freeze has done in Oxford. Outside of Nick Saban and maybe Urban Myer, I am not sure there is another coach that could have come into that situation and done what has been done in Oxford.

As bad as fans don't want to admit it (LSU, Bama and State fans in particular), he is building a monster in Oxford. I know there is speculation about paying players. Well...news flash...they are all paying....OM has obviously figured out a way to do it better or make themselves more attractive in the process. The NCAA is powerless to stop it and the SEC knows this so that topic, IMO, is dead.

So, I stand by my prediction that OM wins the SEC next year and they will be in contention for it as long as Shea Patterson is on campus as well. He is that good...he is Manziel without the baggage.
You are correct that everybody is paying players and it is just going to get worse because the NCAA enforcement is a joke. Ole Miss is maybe doing it on a bigger scale than some other teams and have found ways around it such as "loaner vehicles". Pretty bad when an Alabama player has to sit out several games because of things Ole Miss did in his recruiting.
Dude, Bama is buying cars, paying players, etc...it ain't hard to see or find.

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