Why Not a September Archery season

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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby MudHog » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:38 pm

camlock wrote:AND get rid of the joke they refer to as "primitive weapons season"
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To show how long it has been since I deer hunted, I hunted primitive season with an Austin & Halleck blackpowder that used percussion caps. Not 209 primers, percussion caps. :mrgreen: Nowadays, 35 whelen is the new primitive weapon there is absolutely nothing primitive about a 35 whelen. Single shot, big whoop. Hold another round in your fingers and you can load another shot pretty quickly.


Get rid of the primitive season all together because there is nothing primitive about the season anymore.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby mshunter77 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:53 pm

camlock wrote:
REBEL DUCK wrote:We hunt deer for a solid 4 months heck I think that's enough.
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How bout open bow season Oct 15th and rifle season Dec 1 AND get rid of the joke they refer to as "primitive weapons season"

I am all for this.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby jdbuckshot » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:53 am

mshunter77 wrote:
camlock wrote:
REBEL DUCK wrote:We hunt deer for a solid 4 months heck I think that's enough.
+1000000

How bout open bow season Oct 15th and rifle season Dec 1 AND get rid of the joke they refer to as "primitive weapons season"

I am all for this.
Now I should have known better to talk bow hunting with a bunch of duck hunters.

yall need to hush now - don't be taking days away from the bowhunters.......... or we will open season you duck hunters...
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby camlock » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:20 am

jdbuckshot wrote: Now I should have known better to talk bow hunting with a bunch of duck hunters.

yall need to hush now - don't be taking days away from the bowhunters.......... or we will open season you duck hunters...
I'm way more a bow hunter than duck hunter, I still just think MS deer season regulation are WAY too liberal and I think the inclusion of weapons into what was supposed to be segregated hunting seasons is laughable and shows exactly what it's all about... $$$ ... lawmakers are bought and our hunting regulations are as well. I worked in outdoor retail when the single shots and the crossbows were released, cash BOOM! I live and work in an area of MS that deer hunters (specifically out of state) make up a huge chunk of yearly commerce and cash. I've heard all my life about the insurance companies wanting more deer killed in states like MS where auto claims are very high...I just believe these things, they are right in front of my eyes...I understand their value and I'm not totally against that...I just don't like that it feels every year decisions are made over money and not conservation when it comes to MS deer seasons.

We don't need more people whacking does still nursing spotted fawns in September, it happens enough in October. People with quality land and good management to where they can pattern and kill mature bucks in Sep, can do it early October as well (maybe not yearly, but they can)...the majority are gonna be shooting nursing does and adding to their uncontrolled kill totals at end of season. that's my fear of such a proposition.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby jdbuckshot » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:34 am

camlock wrote:
jdbuckshot wrote: Now I should have known better to talk bow hunting with a bunch of duck hunters.

yall need to hush now - don't be taking days away from the bowhunters.......... or we will open season you duck hunters...
I'm way more a bow hunter than duck hunter, I still just think MS deer season regulation are WAY too liberal and I think the inclusion of weapons into what was supposed to be segregated hunting seasons is laughable and shows exactly what it's all about... $$$ ... lawmakers are bought and our hunting regulations are as well. I worked in outdoor retail when the single shots and the crossbows were released, cash BOOM! I live and work in an area of MS that deer hunters (specifically out of state) make up a huge chunk of yearly commerce and cash. I've heard all my life about the insurance companies wanting more deer killed in states like MS where auto claims are very high...I just believe these things, they are right in front of my eyes...I understand their value and I'm not totally against that...I just don't like that it feels every year decisions are made over money and not conservation when it comes to MS deer seasons.

We don't need more people whacking does still nursing spotted fawns in September, it happens enough in October. People with quality land and good management to where they can pattern and kill mature bucks in Sep, can do it early October as well (maybe not yearly, but they can)...the majority are gonna be shooting nursing does and adding to their uncontrolled kill totals at end of season. that's my fear of such a proposition.


That's why it would have to be "BUCK ONLY SEASON"

I agree with everything you said.

If MS would change a few things - like you said, we would have an unbelievable hunting state.

I like they way KY does there season - they are killing some monsters.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby stang67 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:48 am

Until we have a robust and strictly enforced tagging system, I will oppose any and all increases in season length, increases in limits (including daily limits), and weapon liberalization. The State has NO CLUE what deer herd there is and what is being removed each year. NONE!
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby jdbuckshot » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:10 am

stang67 wrote:Until we have a robust and strictly enforced tagging system, I will oppose any and all increases in season length, increases in limits (including daily limits), and weapon liberalization. The State has NO CLUE what deer herd there is and what is being removed each year. NONE!

best comment yet.

agree 100%
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby peewee » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:00 pm

camlock wrote:
jdbuckshot wrote: Now I should have known better to talk bow hunting with a bunch of duck hunters.

yall need to hush now - don't be taking days away from the bowhunters.......... or we will open season you duck hunters...
I'm way more a bow hunter than duck hunter, I still just think MS deer season regulation are WAY too liberal and I think the inclusion of weapons into what was supposed to be segregated hunting seasons is laughable and shows exactly what it's all about... $$$ ... lawmakers are bought and our hunting regulations are as well. I worked in outdoor retail when the single shots and the crossbows were released, cash BOOM! I live and work in an area of MS that deer hunters (specifically out of state) make up a huge chunk of yearly commerce and cash. I've heard all my life about the insurance companies wanting more deer killed in states like MS where auto claims are very high...I just believe these things, they are right in front of my eyes...I understand their value and I'm not totally against that...I just don't like that it feels every year decisions are made over money and not conservation when it comes to MS deer seasons.

We don't need more people whacking does still nursing spotted fawns in September, it happens enough in October. People with quality land and good management to where they can pattern and kill mature bucks in Sep, can do it early October as well (maybe not yearly, but they can)...the majority are gonna be shooting nursing does and adding to their uncontrolled kill totals at end of season. that's my fear of such a proposition.


That is one of the brightest post I have seen come from an Ole Miss fan on this forum in 15 years :D I agree with every word and I agree with Stang about the tagging system. MS is so far behind in wildlife conservation it isn't even funny.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby camlock » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:07 pm

stang67 wrote:Until we have a robust and strictly enforced tagging system, I will oppose any and all increases in season length, increases in limits (including daily limits), and weapon liberalization. The State has NO CLUE what deer herd there is and what is being removed each year. NONE!
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby camlock » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:11 pm

jdbuckshot wrote: That's why it would have to be "BUCK ONLY SEASON"

I agree with everything you said.

If MS would change a few things - like you said, we would have an unbelievable hunting state.

I like they way KY does there season - they are killing some monsters.
It's a nice thought to have a buck only regulation that is sound in conservation and good for hunters of the state...but in MS we don't regulate so we'd have 10-1 does being gut shot with arrows while nursing spotted fawns as we would mature bucks taken in a solid early season hunt. Just a big loop hole for people to come to the state and kill more deer, any deer.

The general deer hunting culture in our state turns my stomach....if you can't tell.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:27 pm

stang67 wrote:Until we have a robust and strictly enforced tagging system, I will oppose any and all increases in season length, increases in limits (including daily limits), and weapon liberalization. The State has NO CLUE what deer herd there is and what is being removed each year. NONE!

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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby LODI QUACKER » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:53 pm

i agree 1000%


I would also not mind seeing Buck, fork horn or better bow only or crossbows, for sept 15-nov 15. Then open it up to does and bucks through jan 15 any means gun or bow. 2 more weeks bow through jan. I dont care if you want to shoot a big fat doe, but give the fawn enough time not to be coyote bait. I could care less if you shoot one under a feeder, but you have to have a limit because that makes it real easy. Identifiable limits!
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby mshunter77 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:37 pm

I think we all agree we need more regulation and enforcement on bag limits and some type of tagging system but none of that will work until we have more people to enforce that. I think our wardens are stretched thin as it is.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby alaska_av8r » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:20 pm

Mississippi regs have always confused me. I lived in Georgia the first 20 yrs of my life, bow season (no crossbows unless had impairment) opened Sep 15, then Oct 15 prim weapons (none of this center fire stuff, prim my butt stuff) then gun Nov 15. Season closed for 2 wks prior to Xmas and opened Dec 26 and closed for good Jan 15. Dog hunting was allowed in southern half of state and verboten in the north. Everything just seemed to make sense, we didn't see that many fawns during bow season but our buck o doe ratio was not as badly skewed as it is here so you normally only saw one rut around thanksgiving. Don't know what GA does with their seasons now. But I do remember your odds of getting checked by game warden were pretty darn high and in my case always a pleasant experience. This is the first state where I have lived where the animosity towards wardens has been so bad. I also started turkey hunting there thanks to the generosity of the citizens of MS. The majority of the restocking efforts in GA were with MS birds. I always thought, wow if I could only hunt in MS they have so many they can give them away. Unfortunately it seems the table has turned as the last numbers I saw had GA way ahead in Turkey management. Sad to see the potential of this state not to be used properly.
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Re: Why Not a September Archery season

Postby alaska_av8r » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:20 pm

Mississippi regs have always confused me. I lived in Georgia the first 20 yrs of my life, bow season (no crossbows unless had impairment) opened Sep 15, then Oct 15 prim weapons (none of this center fire stuff, prim my butt stuff) then gun Nov 15. Season closed for 2 wks prior to Xmas and opened Dec 26 and closed for good Jan 15. Dog hunting was allowed in southern half of state and verboten in the north. Everything just seemed to make sense, we didn't see that many fawns during bow season but our buck o doe ratio was not as badly skewed as it is here so you normally only saw one rut around thanksgiving. Don't know what GA does with their seasons now. But I do remember your odds of getting checked by game warden were pretty darn high and in my case always a pleasant experience. This is the first state where I have lived where the animosity towards wardens has been so bad. I also started turkey hunting there thanks to the generosity of the citizens of MS. The majority of the restocking efforts in GA were with MS birds. I always thought, wow if I could only hunt in MS they have so many they can give them away. Unfortunately it seems the table has turned as the last numbers I saw had GA way ahead in Turkey management. Sad to see the potential of this state not to be used properly.

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