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edub20 wrote:

Gumbo wrote:2.1 Million Active & Reserve vs. 318 Million US total population

How many of those 318 will inconvenience themselves to assist?

Probably 2 or 3 million. Unless they wait till it's too late to make a difference. And yes, the majority in the military will do what they are ordered to do, up to and including shooting and killing any "hostiles". Just think about the countless number of civilian police that already violate people's constitutional rights on a daily basis. Local police forces will be included in the round up when the time comes, and they will
gladly join in on the fun.

If our government ever gets to the point of setting our military out in force against it's people then God help us. How big of a failure is that
from where our founders took us from to us letting it get worse than what they fought a war for. Just sad to think about it. If this were to happen, look for Russia or China to invade. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not involved in the takeover anyway.

rjohnson wrote:

skywalker wrote:Keep kidding yourself. Most would follow orders with no hesitation.

So they wouldn't think "hey this is weird we are being asked to shut down cities across the country, that doesn't seem right"???

Everyone of them took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and obey the orders of the president and the officers appointed over them. 99.9% of the military guys I know take this oath to heart and without question.

"Theirs not to reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die..."

Gumbo wrote:2.1 Million Active & Reserve vs. 318 Million US total population

Of that 318 million, you have say 30% that are physically incapable of doing anything. Another probably 50% don't have the balls to fight or the ability to do so even if they did. Of that 318 million, you have right at 50% who supported Obama and in which polling data shows still support him - even though he is inarguably the worst president this country has ever seen.

This sounds outlandish, but I really believe this statement to be true...if the Obama administration ordered the internment of Christians and those that oppose his authority, there is a substantial number of citizens of the country...probably in the neighborhood of 25%, that would wholeheartedly support such an effort.

The message of this administration for the weak-minded is tolerance...we are to tolerate illegal residents, gay rights, trans people that actually are suffering from a mental illness called gender dysphoria...we are to tolerate government dependent criminals...we are to tolerate terror sympathizing muslims...but we absolutely cannot and will not tolerate Christians and white males and their "white privilege".

I have a feeling that it would end up being quite similar to the American Revolution and the estimated 3% of colonists that fought it.
That is where this flag, NYBERG - THREE PERCENTER flag, came from.

mfalkner wrote:

cwink wrote:

rjohnson wrote:Is the military big enough to take down it's own citizens?

Ha, probably not Mano y Mano, but Tank y Mano or Apache y Mano is whole another story..

I am not a big conspiracy theory guy, but it is good to stay informed about what is going on... If the military is upping their training then I am going up my training.. If the military is training for urban warfare and martial law then either fear something big is coming or they know something big is coming.. Either way when they start upping the ante on training, guns and supplies it is probably not a bad idea for me to do the same..

Ok.. taking off my tin foil hat now..

Yeah, but as you say, a whole house full of handguns and AR's is not equal to a Bradley or Apache....

Or even a small crew of marines recently out of basic training doing door to door raids.

That being said, people need to calm down with the conspiracy theories. The Gov't hails to the almighty dollar first and foremost. If the gov't were to ACTUALLY enforce a martial law situation on it's citizens, the stock market would crash.

I would say a much more likely situation than a nationwide (or even a statewide) martial law, would be the gov't preparing for a zombie outbreak.

teul2 wrote:

rjohnson wrote:Is the military big enough to take down it's own citizens?

Would they even if ordered to?

Absolutely without a doubt. Do you think a bulk of the German soldiers in WW2 REALLY hated Jews before WW2? No. But they had the rhetoric beaten into them that they were the enemy, and they were looking out for their country to rid them of the plague known as the Jewish people. Then it was those dastardly Austrians, and Polish, etc...

I am sure it is just a training exercise, but I don't want the military practicing its ability to control US states. The national guard has a long history of successfully providing relief to disaster victims and restoring order. Folks are comfortable with the guard in this role because responsibility for activating guard units ultimate falls on state governors.

Deltamud77 wrote:

Gumbo wrote:2.1 Million Active & Reserve vs. 318 Million US total population

Of that 318 million, you have say 30% that are physically incapable of doing anything. Another probably 50% don't have the balls to fight or the ability to do so even if they did. Of that 318 million, you have right at 50% who supported Obama and in which polling data shows still support him - even though he is inarguably the worst president this country has ever seen.

This sounds outlandish, but I really believe this statement to be true...if the Obama administration ordered the internment of Christians and those that oppose his authority, there is a substantial number of citizens of the country...probably in the neighborhood of 25%, that would wholeheartedly support such an effort.

The message of this administration for the weak-minded is tolerance...we are to tolerate illegal residents, gay rights, trans people that actually are suffering from a mental illness called gender dysphoria...we are to tolerate government dependent criminals...we are to tolerate terror sympathizing muslims...but we absolutely cannot and will not tolerate Christians and white males and their "white privilege".

THIS^

Gumbo wrote:2.1 Million Active & Reserve vs. 318 Million US total population

How many soldiers did it take to round up all the jews and send them off to the work camps?

From what I've seen and read, many of the Jews were rounded up a few at a time while their neighbors stood idly by trying not to bring any attention to themselves

Now days, it would be nothing for the government to use the media machine to justify eliminating political dissidents. Nothing like a good ole kiddy porn frame job or sexual child abuse charge to turn your neighbors against you.

A question I ask myself many times is when will be time to fight back. Another one is will I know what's going on when I see it. Seems many of the Jews put up very little resistance when they were herded like cattle onto trains headed straight to hell.

For any of you that are convinced that Jade Helm 15 will result in martial law within the next year lets bet some money. I am always up for winning $$$$$. Of course, if you win that money from me it will be useless

randywallace wrote:For any of you that are convinced that Jade Helm 15 will result in martial law within the next year lets bet some money. I am always up for winning $$$$$. Of course, if you win that money from me it will be useless

I'm not saying it would happen anytime in the near future.. If it ever did it would likely be in response to something like Greece is going through with the financial fall..

randywallace wrote:For any of you that are convinced that Jade Helm 15 will result in martial law within the next year lets bet some money. I am always up for winning $$$$$. Of course, if you win that money from me it will be useless

The problem with the Jade Helm mission is it is not necessary to conduct the excercise around civilians. I have been on numerous bases and camps that provide all the buildings etc. that the military needs to carry out such an excercise.

We have been fighting in an "urban" environment for a long time now, While these "urban" environments may not be exactly liek ours, they are urban. Kabul is 106.1 Sq Miles in size and has a population of 3.1 million
Jackson, MS is 106.8 Sq Miles and the entire state of MS has a population of 2.99 Million.

So, a City the size of Jackson has more people than the State of MS is where we have been posted up and performing Missions for the last decade, but we don't know how to operate in an urban environment?
Whatever the reasoning for this Jade Helm, it has more to do with oprating and how to operate inside the United States on out own soil against our own people than it does with the Urban Environment excuse.

one huge difference between us and the jews, we are not disarmed.

But as mentioned let the EBT cards stop working and the bank doors close like Greece!
remember the glitch several months ago!! That was just the start of SHTF, but was fixed before it got far out of hand!