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And they just hired Mike Riley.

Not top tier.

McEllwain was just hired at Florida.

Whats your point?

My point was Nebraska is not a top tier program that is in position to hire a SEC west level coach and imo this hire proved that.

I could care less about either programs tho so we will see if either one gets it done. However, I think McEllwain will do well.

champcaller wrote:My point was Nebraska is not a top tier program that is in position to hire a SEC west level coach and imo this hire proved that.

So, is not a top tier program OR not a top tier program that is in position to hire a SEC west level?

I don't think their hiring Riley indicates the position they are in...That's just who they chose, and he's highly regarded as a coach. I thought he was in his home job though...that part threw me.

Nebraska has the money and prestige to have gotten A LOT of coaches if they had wanted them (including Mullen and Bielema and maybe others)...I just believe that.

camlock wrote:I don't think their hiring Riley indicates the position they are in...That's just who they chose, and he's highly regarded as a coach. I thought he was in his home job though...that part threw me.

Nebraska has the money and prestige to have gotten A LOT of coaches if they had wanted them (including Mullen and Bielema and maybe others)...I just believe that.

I disagree. Any coach of Nebraska will have virtually no skill position players in state to recruit. Moreover, they will have to travel multiple states over to sign skill players - and recruit them to a frigid, lily white town in the middle of nowhere.

Moreover, since the Osbourne tenure, the demographics and population in the area has changed dramatically. Osbourne was also able to recruit California because USC and UCLA pretty much sucked and programs like Oregon and Arizona State were irrelevant. That is not the case now.

I think ANY SEC school is a better job than Nebraska, excluding Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Moreover, OU, Texas, TCU and Baylor are all better jobs than Nebraska. Ohio State and Michigan are betters jobs as well. FSU, Miami and Clemson are better jobs. USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford and Oregon are all better jobs than Nebraska too.** One could argue that the Nebraska job is not even a Top 25 job anymore.

**I base these opinions on recruiting, geography, livability and conference combined.

Deltamud77 wrote:

camlock wrote:I don't think their hiring Riley indicates the position they are in...That's just who they chose, and he's highly regarded as a coach. I thought he was in his home job though...that part threw me.

Nebraska has the money and prestige to have gotten A LOT of coaches if they had wanted them (including Mullen and Bielema and maybe others)...I just believe that.

I disagree. Any coach of Nebraska will have virtually no skill position players in state to recruit. Moreover, they will have to travel multiple states over to sign skill players - and recruit them to a frigid, lily white town in the middle of nowhere.

Moreover, since the Osbourne tenure, the demographics and population in the area has changed dramatically. Osbourne was also able to recruit California because USC and UCLA pretty much sucked and programs like Oregon and Arizona State were irrelevant. That is not the case now.

I think ANY SEC school is a better job than Nebraska, excluding Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Moreover, OU, Texas, TCU and Baylor are all better jobs than Nebraska. Ohio State and Michigan are betters jobs as well. FSU, Miami and Clemson are better jobs. USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford and Oregon are all better jobs than Nebraska too.** One could argue that the Nebraska job is not even a Top 25 job anymore.

**I base these opinions on recruiting, geography, livability and conference combined.

I understand what your are basing your opinions on...but I think you are underselling the national power of D1 college football today...Nebraska is a big university with resources and they play in a power conference. I'm not saying Nebraska is a "better" job than an SEC job, but if you think a good coach couldn't recruit outside Nebraska and win big in a big conference there I think you are wrong. I think then compare that thought with how hard it's gonna be to compete year in and out in the SEC West and I think, like I initially said, for some coaches Nebraska could give them something to think about it and make it a tough decision...

I think for many of the same reasons, even moreso than Nebraska, if I'm Les Mile and I can get 4+ and 5 years I'm GONE to Michigan. LSU is a power but it's a tough job, he could be rich, be home, be successful, and not deal with the competition for recruits and in schedule the last 10 years of his career. No-Brainer...not b/c Michigan is a better job, but it makes too much since.

Cam, my fingers are crossed relative to Miles to Michigan, but I don't think it is going to happen. He has peaked at LSU and it will be downhill from here on out. I don't recall ever seeing a coach in their 60s actually improve and get better. I think even Saban is not what he used to be 5 years ago...however, he has such a well oiled machine that with talent alone, Bama should win 10-11 games per year.

Deltamud77 wrote:Cam, my fingers are crossed relative to Miles to Michigan, but I don't think it is going to happen. He has peaked at LSU and it will be downhill from here on out. I don't recall ever seeing a coach in their 60s actually improve and get better. I think even Saban is not what he used to be 5 years ago...however, he has such a well oiled machine that with talent alone, Bama should win 10-11 games per year.

If it doesn't happen...then I believe much like 2010, but other way around, Les will be granted the dignity by Michigan of appeasing to his fans and employers that he isn't interested in the Michigan job and both will move forward looking equally respectable publicly. In other words, Michigan will never publicly say they don't want him...I don't think...

Personally, if offered Michigan job and he chooses to stay at LSU he is committing suicide b/c I believe, as you said, he's on the down-slope with LSU and doing it at a time the division has never been more competitive. He stays, he gonna get himself fired (however gracefully it might happen). I've heard friend here say that he'll be able to stay as long as he wants, and I believe that only true if he's winning 10 games a year. I don't know if he can, I don't think he's gonna become DiNardo, but he's not gonna beat Saban and Malzahn regularly. McElwain liable to make Florida tough on the schedule each year...and if OM, MSU, and TAMU remain 8-10 win programs over next 4-5 years and Arkansas on the heels....$#!+, 8 wins will be good for anyone in this division...go to Michigan, your nuts if you don't...he won't survive two more seasons if he don't win at least 10 games in one of them I don't believe.

I agree Cam and Mud. Next year for LSU and Les Miles will be a critical year, especially with Ole Miss, State and Arkansas vastly improving.

Will depend on the draft and juniors leaving early, but our o-line could be decimated. Couple that with the quarterback situation and next year could be ugly.

Deltamud77 wrote:

camlock wrote:I don't think their hiring Riley indicates the position they are in...That's just who they chose, and he's highly regarded as a coach. I thought he was in his home job though...that part threw me.

Nebraska has the money and prestige to have gotten A LOT of coaches if they had wanted them (including Mullen and Bielema and maybe others)...I just believe that.

I disagree. Any coach of Nebraska will have virtually no skill position players in state to recruit. Moreover, they will have to travel multiple states over to sign skill players - and recruit them to a frigid, lily white town in the middle of nowhere.

Moreover, since the Osbourne tenure, the demographics and population in the area has changed dramatically. Osbourne was also able to recruit California because USC and UCLA pretty much sucked and programs like Oregon and Arizona State were irrelevant. That is not the case now.

I think ANY SEC school is a better job than Nebraska, excluding Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Moreover, OU, Texas, TCU and Baylor are all better jobs than Nebraska. Ohio State and Michigan are betters jobs as well. FSU, Miami and Clemson are better jobs. USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford and Oregon are all better jobs than Nebraska too.** One could argue that the Nebraska job is not even a Top 25 job anymore.

**I base these opinions on recruiting, geography, livability and conference combined.

You guys are crazy. Nebraska is one of the top 10 winningest teams of all time. They recruit coast to coast. Lincoln is probably 300,000 people and they put 80,000 in the seats on Saturdays. You can't compare Starkville, Fayetteville, or oxford to that. State and ole miss did great this year and we all are on cloud 9. Nebraska is 9-3 and their fans are disappointed.

three11 wrote:

Deltamud77 wrote:

camlock wrote:I don't think their hiring Riley indicates the position they are in...That's just who they chose, and he's highly regarded as a coach. I thought he was in his home job though...that part threw me.

Nebraska has the money and prestige to have gotten A LOT of coaches if they had wanted them (including Mullen and Bielema and maybe others)...I just believe that.

I disagree. Any coach of Nebraska will have virtually no skill position players in state to recruit. Moreover, they will have to travel multiple states over to sign skill players - and recruit them to a frigid, lily white town in the middle of nowhere.

Moreover, since the Osbourne tenure, the demographics and population in the area has changed dramatically. Osbourne was also able to recruit California because USC and UCLA pretty much sucked and programs like Oregon and Arizona State were irrelevant. That is not the case now.


I think ANY SEC school is a better job than Nebraska, excluding Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Moreover, OU, Texas, TCU and Baylor are all better jobs than Nebraska. Ohio State and Michigan are betters jobs as well. FSU, Miami and Clemson are better jobs. USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford and Oregon are all better jobs than Nebraska too.** One could argue that the Nebraska job is not even a Top 25 job anymore.

**I base these opinions on recruiting, geography, livability and conference combined.

You guys are crazy. Nebraska is one of the top 10 winningest teams of all time. They recruit coast to coast. Lincoln is probably 300,000 people and they put 80,000 in the seats on Saturdays. You can't compare Starkville, Fayetteville, or oxford to that. State and ole miss did great this year and we all are on cloud 9. Nebraska is 9-3 and their fans are disappointed.

So.... Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan, TN, all can do that as well, how long has it been since ANY of these were really relevant? Things change, programs change, no high school athlete was even alive the last time Nebraska won a National Championship, so all that talk about how great they WERE means diddly squat to recruits... It's all about now and what you have done lately. Yea I know that ND went to the NC three years ago, but they were so overrated it wasn't event fair.... And I'm not gonna say that either OM or MSU are any better, but Nebraska is not one of the top ten jobs to have....