What "gives" with this dog?

[stitch]

is dog collar conditioned, if not you may want to think about this process, if the dog knows here and takes his time then the only way is corrections to speed him up, but be careful about the process of introduceing him to it at 10 months with out help and would not start conditioning him in a hunting situation, probably would leave a bad taste in his mouth!

best to seek out help from someone who has done this you can screw a dog up with a ecollar!!!!!!!!!!!

He is collar conditioned......knows all the basics of come, here, heal, sit on whistle blow, etc. I keep having to remind myself that he is only 10 months old......he has all the "tools", just needs some "polishing". I have trained a bunch of dogs in the past.......just running into some "new stuff" with this guy.

[ragon]

is dog collar conditioned, if not you may want to think about this process, if the dog knows here and takes his time then the only way is corrections to speed him up, but be careful about the process of introduceing him to it at 10 months with out help and would not start conditioning him in a hunting situation, probably would leave a bad taste in his mouth!

best to seek out help from someone who has done this you can screw a dog up with a ecollar!!!!!!!!!!!

He is collar conditioned......knows all the basics of come, here, heal, sit on whistle blow, etc. I keep having to remind myself that he is only 10 months old......he has all the "tools", just needs some "polishing". I have trained a bunch of dogs in the past.......just running into some "new stuff" with this guy.

if he has been collar conditioned to here correctly , here (nick) here (nick) if he don't pick up speed to get to you here (burn) here (burn), i would only do this if the dog has a complete understanding of what is expected of him, take a real bird and long lead rope and go back over the process of collar conditioning him to here! If you post this on dog forum there are a lot of people that got good advice and probably dealt with it, my dog will do it and have to be reminded, i know he is flipping me off and taking his time though, differant dogs require differant solutions!

[B3]

You can do a here nick but what I would do is train on multiple marks. I have found that once they learn what's up with multiples they return fast so they can hurry nd be sent for the memory bird.

If he's steady you can start with hand thrown multiples in the yard

[cdwyer]

Has he been forced to a pile yet? That is a black and white situation to use the here/nick/here. No excuses to understand what your expectations are. Wouldnt do it in the field with a 10 month old too many things going on for him to get the lesson and more damage than good can happen. Enjoy the season with what appears to be a very nice 10 month old, take notes on what you would like him to do better and work on it through the off season.

[stitch]

Has he been forced to a pile yet? That is a black and white situation to use the here/nick/here. No excuses to understand what your expectations are. Wouldnt do it in the field with a 10 month old too many things going on for him to get the lesson and more damage than good can happen. Enjoy the season with what appears to be a very nice 10 month old, take notes on what you would like him to do better and work on it through the off season.

No on forced to pile

[EvanG]

No on forced to pile

I believe you've uncovered the core of your problem; an incomplete force fetch program. Force to pile is where the complete trained retrieve is assembled into a working form. What program did you follow to this point?

EvanG

[stitch]

.....I skipped the force fetching process all together. When I teach force fetching, I do "nothing else" during that process. Dog is young and I wanted him to go to the field this year so I focused on the basics of obedience, hand signals, etc. I am seeing issues associated with not force fetching.....but missing out on the month or so force fetching would take.......would put me way behind on some other things to get him into the field. I wanted him to spend time in the blind this year, we will "polish" everything after the season.

As far as training programs........I use a combination of things i have learned over the years from reading programs by Wolters, Chris Aiken, etc.

Any recommended training programs that are "sure fire"? Books? Videos?

[EvanG]

.....I skipped the force fetching process all together. When I teach force fetching, I do "nothing else" during that process.

Any recommended training programs that are "sure fire"? Books? Videos?

The best, most detailed and thorough is:



and its companion DVD; 2 discs, 2 1/2 hours of full detail...



Let me know anytime I can be of help.

EvanG

[PWS]

I don’t think you have a problem at all especially if he is showing that much drive. My first guess is that he is young and very proud of his duck and enjoying his walk back to the blind. Have you done force to pile? Have you run him in training on doubles and triples? Probably not due to his age but once he figures out that there is more stuff out there to pick up he should pick up the pace. Also collar condition all his obedience commands in the yard. DO NOT SHOCK HIM WITH A DUCK IN HIS MOUTH NO MATTER HOW PISSED OFF YOU ARE.

[stitch]

Thanks for all the input guys. To clarify, I love the way this dog has "started"......have to keep reminding myself he is still a puppy. I think he will be a stud by next season as long as the owner doesn't screw it up .......he just had a couple of quirks I had never encountered in my training / dogs......kepe the feedback coming.

[BGITTER]

I would use a check cord ( long rope that will buckle to the collar) and put a e collar on your hunting partner. Then we would go out in the back yard and do some simple retrieves and i mean very simple cause we are trying to teach here not anything else. Throw the duck, he marks it, send your dog,dog picks up mark, now lets start teaching, grab your rope pull on it start saying here here here here here but dont intimidate your partner if this isnt doing any good after several attempts. Introduce the e collar same process except pull rope here here here here and nick nick nick nick low nicks by the way and see if that helps. Always try to remember if your partner is progressing lighten up on pressure. For example the rope doesnt work but the e collar does wonders with the rope and the here here here so you nick with collar and it helps dont keep on nicking when your dog starts slowing down nick nick nick here here here and keep trying this process over over over. When it comes to the e collar learn you dog if a low nick does nothing find a level on the collar that you get a response from your partner and thats all you want nothing more. For example level 1 nick dog dont even twitch level 3 nick dog kinda steps up a little bit perfect level dog is thinking i gotta do right or my neck is going to get stung. Hope this helps always end with a fun bumper never put dog up in kennel not wagging his tail and having fun.