Huge Shooting in Colorado

[Smoke68]

A CCW man would have to be lucky as far as location near the crazy to do much good.

Agreed. And this is the reason why multiple CCW holders would increase the odds that someone is in position to neutralize the threat. Just like it was mentioned in the other thread on the old man in the cafe who had a CCW, how great would it be for someone looking to kill innocents by surprise to meet 4-5 gun barrels pointed in his direction before he could click off his safety. Nothing would be a greater deterrent to these types of tragedies than knowing there is a likelyhood of return fire.

To the crazies who are willing to die anyways, it won't stop them. It'll just contain the damage.

[tombstone]

It is hard to imagine what you would do if anyone started shooting. Throw in tear gas and complete chaos and I can not even begin to come up with a game plan just sitting here, much less in the actual situation. body armor drills can be practiced. Nobody practices it after being gassed

[chevy01234]

Unfortunately the shooter was very prepared which puts anyone responding at a huge disadvantage...some sort of tear gas, darkness, explosions, a packed crowd, body armor, and him having a long gun would put anyone at a huge risk engaging him.

I was up this morning watching the news when the story broke and immediately tried to think about how one could react to that situation. I am not a swat team, I am not a police officer, I am not a super expert marksman that is impervious to emotion or adrenaline. I have never been in a situation even remotely similar to that and pray I never am. I would like to think if I was in a position to engage him, at least it would draw fire away from the other people and hopefully persuade him to break off his shooting of innocents and focus on the guy shooting back at him. The catch with that plan is he would turn his superior firepower towards you which would not be good. I have night sights on my carry gun, how much good would that do if my eyes were tearing up and burning from some sort of tear gas? Probably not much. That would really hinder "precision" shots to say the least. I carry a flashlight when I am in dark places (like a movie theater), that would only give him an immediate "shoot the light" reaction. I could not sit by and watch him continue to shoot people though like most folks on here couldn't. It would be very hard to tell he had body armor on but there are other places to shoot someone wearing armor. The pelvic region will break him down instantly if you hit bone plus there are some pretty big arteries running around down there. Once he is down, you keep shooting until he stops moving. The head of course will remove his will to fight quickly but that target area is a small one, especially when you can't see your sights and he is moving/shooting. It would be ideal to flank him and catch him off guard for a shot to the back of the head but you would be shooting back toward the crowd trying to run away and you would stick out like a sore thumb running the opposite way of the crowd in their retreat. I, like anyone else cannot begin to fathom how I would react if in that situation. That is even more of a reason to hit the range and practice under as many circumstances as possible. Low Light/no light drills..failure to stop drills... precision shot drills..shooting while moving drills..shooting from barricaded positions...the list goes on. The only hindrance in that "practice" is the fact that there is no way to replicate the adrenaline dump or FEAR that would certainly come with that situation and as mentioned the addition of chemical agents designed to take your will to fight away. I pray none of us are ever in that situation. I also pray that if I am ever forced into that situation, I would have the composure and courage to run towards the gun fire instead of the natural urge to run away from it. I am not saying that sound heroic or ballsy or even dumb...again, I have no idea how I would react but if I was in a theater full of friends and family members, I could not sit by and let a massacre continue.

This is all coming from a single man with no wife or kids...would my reaction be different if I had a family in tow? Hell yea it would.

Prayers sent for all of those involved in Colorado. It really makes one dig deep into their "plans" and realize how you never stop preparing and learning from situations.

[rawalley]

Man Chevy, that was well thought out and well said.

[lilwhitelie]

This guy thought this out WELL!! Even had his apartment booby trapped for police when they went to investigate etc. The only and I mean only thing that could have been worse is if he had planned this out with someone else!!!! Could you imagine 2 shooters?? One at the exit and one where you come in, as most theaters have 2 max entrances, so it could have been like shooting fish in a barrel! It is a sad world and just like the school shootings...it just puts seeds in the minds of the crazy as to one more idea as to where to carry out their insane ideas. You are safe NOWHERE these days so pray and thank GOD for each one you have. Who knows what goes on in these peoples minds but it is a fact that it is becoming a LOT more common. MOst people commit suicide after such an event but by him being arrested shows just how crazy he was.

[chevy01234]

One of the police officers on another forum I visit was a responding officer on the shooting last night. I have chills listening to the radio transmissions. I cannot imagine!

http://extras.denverpost.com/media/mp3/ ... ng0041.mp3

The officers were taking wounded to the hospitals via their patrol cars..He said over 250 officers from surrounding areas responded as well as fire, ems, fbi, etc..

[chevy01234]

Man Chevy, that was well thought out and well said.

Appreciate it, it definitely made me think about it!

[champcaller]

good post, jody.

[cwink]

This is a totally different scenario than the video wit Mr. Williams and the two thugs. But I still say if you had 4 or 5 people that were able to return fire you are still better off than just running for your life, My wife and were talking about how handle rhis situation and i told her that my plan would have been to empty my gun and if he was still sble to fire i would have no choice but to rush him to try and tackle him. I know it is not the smartest thing to do, but at least it would draw fire away grom my family and others...so many what ifs are here that at some point you would probably never know how you would react.

[mfalkner]

I can agree with that, if my family was in there, no doubt I would respond very differently than if not.

RE: body armor, I've never worn any nor certainly been shot wearing it (thank God for the folks who do that on my behalf), but I have talked at some length with some fellas who have. These are some serious boys - marines - and none of them was able to take a hit in the armor and just keep rockin. I know one guy who borrowed another kevlar plate from a local interpreter's vest to replace his that got shattered and got back in the firefight, but the impact had knocked him out cold. And, he kinda didn't have much choice at the time.

[Seymore]

With regard to body armour, I imagine what the person wearing getting hit with has a big deal to do with reaction. I know nothing about armour or what it will and won't stop but I would thing that getting hit with a pistol round versus a high power round is a totally different deal. I'd love to hear from someone who knows what happens say when someone gets hit with a pistol round.

Here's the video of the North California bank robbery. These guys had body armour and the cops were seriously outgunned with their pistols. I understood the cops were actually going to gun shops in the area to get higher powered weapons. That was when officers started carrying AR 15 and other weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hLg9GHEEc

[chevy01234]

The North Hollywood shooters were doped up on Phenobarbetol which was a big reason the rounds didn't phase them..They were very relaxed and their pain receptors were dulled.

[chevy01234]

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James ... _flag.html


Interesting "conspiracy theory"..

[edub20]

I've seen a military ballistics demo on a combat ready vest. They tested .45, 5.56, and 7.62. The close range(10yds) .45 put a pretty good whack on the vest and indented the dummy pretty good. I would say that if you extend that out to even 20-25yds it's still going to put a pretty good jolt into the guy especially if you dump a full mag at once. Weird how that kevlar hardens once it absorbs the energy of the round.

[SNOT]

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html


Interesting "conspiracy theory"..

Manchurian Candidate.