Drunk as an Indian.....and suing

[hntrpat1]

Were the indians treated like crap, yes! But so has every other culture/civilaztion has. Some make it some don't. It's called life!

[duramax]

Were the indians treated like crap, yes! But so has every other culture/civilaztion has. Some make it some don't. It's called life!

Exactly. The jew's lost everything, half of them killed, they weren't even given so much as a crappy reservation to live on, and have bounced back. And that was just over 50 years ago. Of course they've had some practice at getting shat on over a few thousand years.

[Seymore]

If there is such a "limit" as to how much alochol a distributor can sell in a certain area based upon population, then I guess they can be heli liable....but I'd be suprised if there were such limit. I wonder if they are just going off of assumptions.

Exactly. If the store had the proper licenses/permits and the buyers were of legal age with valid IDs, what is the problem? Supply and demand, doesn't get any more simple. The most obvious crime committed is by the purchasers or "smugglers" that were reselling the beer on the reservation....blind eye has been turned to the multiple ABC/IRS crimes tho because they are probably injuns, too.

While I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions, I think they will win this one. Because there is no "limit" set does not mean that the company doesn't know what it is doing by shipping far over and above the amount for the demographics of that area. It will be shown that the company is part of the problem. If they can find e mails or memos like the tobacco companies had where the beer companies talk about supplying more because it will be taken to the reservation then it will be game, set, match.

[SNOT]

American Indians are a good example of what happens to people when government "takes care" of them. They don't actually own crap - so they don't give a damn about it.

Yeah, but at one time they owned it all. If somebody took my stuff and stuck me on the back 40, then took that too when they found out it was worth something, I probably wouldn't have much pride in "my" little reservation either. Everything we own in Mississippi was owned by a Choctaw or Chickasaw a couple hundred years ago.

It is a sad cycle but where does it end? Just like riding through Belzoni. You may not be rich or have any land, but that doesn't mean you can't pick up the junk in your yard.

I agree to a point - I think it's obvious that they treated worse than other group of people in American history....but at some point somethings gotta change. I know it would be hard, but they can leave their reservation and make a life for themselves.

My main point was, the more the government tries to "help" the more harm they do. It won't be long before so many people are being supported by the government that they will vote for who supports them - and that will be the end of this country, or at least the end of how it was intended to be.

[farmerc83]

American Indians are a good example of what happens to people when government "takes care" of them. They don't actually own crap - so they don't give a damn about it.

Yeah, but at one time they owned it all. If somebody took my stuff and stuck me on the back 40, then took that too when they found out it was worth something, I probably wouldn't have much pride in "my" little reservation either. Everything we own in Mississippi was owned by a Choctaw or Chickasaw a couple hundred years ago.

It is a sad cycle but where does it end? Just like riding through Belzoni. You may not be rich or have any land, but that doesn't mean you can't pick up the junk in your yard.

It is definitely a cycle, but I'm not sure we agree on which phase of the cycle we are currently in. To me it seems we are in a phase where the past losers are todays winners, not because they stood up and did for themselves, but because they cried foul long enough for some bleeding heart to give a $hit. The fact that your long lost relatives got their booty whipped on their home turf or were sold by their own leaders as slaves to the white man shouldn't mean present day Geronimo and Jamarcus get to sit on their backside getting lit all day.

As someone else mentioned, lot of other groups have had it tough without getting a thing in return. Jews the most, but also the Scotch, Irish and Italian immigrants in the late 1800's.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

I think they need to get off their azzes and do for themselves. I watched John Stossel do a documentary on American Indian poverty and he showed the contrast between the small number of indian tribes who refused to be supported by the government and the ones in the majority who were supported by the government. The ones who were independent of the government were insanely wealthy. Their reservations were immaculate. They took pride in themselves and were living the American dream. The kicker was that the council over American Indians hated it. It erks the chit out of them because they want them all on that government tit.

That's thing about these agencies, they have the power to make laws and control a lot of things. A lot of people lose their jobs if folks decide they don't need a certain agency anymore.

For me, the only minority group that was treated harshly in American history that I feel bad for are the indians. And it is simply because of the romance of it. To me the American Indian of those days embodied all that was needed to sustain yourself. They had it made, and they knew it. Indians loved their life, their land, the way they did things. They hunted, they fished, they trapped, they camped, and their wives didn't mind it, in fact they expected it. Sounds like the life to me. And we came and tookall of it. I think the fact that we overtook and greedily snatched up every parcel of land for ourselves is bad enough, but we also nearly wiped out an awesome culture and icon to the American sportsman, the American Indian.


Think how proud we humble wannabe outdoorsmen are when we kill a limit of ducks or pitch a tent in the perfect camping spot. Now imagine having thousands of square miles to do in and do it everyday. It would be a noble and proud way to live. It'd certainly be satisfying to the soul. And to have it all changed in the blink of an eye, to lose absolute freedom that they enjoyed, and be confined to a reservation would be so heart breaking that I could only imagine. The best duck holes you could ever imagine are gone. The best honey holes for bedding bream are gone.

William Bartram said, among many other things about how wonderful the American wilderness was, that the southern forests were so inundated with turkeys that on spring mornings nothing could be heard but a constant shouting of turkey gobblers. Man, that'd be a tuff pill to swallow to have to leave that behind.

[Seymore]

While I don't gamble, I certainly do appreciate the irony of casinos on Indian reservations. The white man moves them off their land years ago, they set up casinos to take the white man's money today. Seems fair to me.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Don't trust the white eye.

[SNOT]

I think they need to get off their azzes and do for themselves. I watched John Stossel do a documentary on American Indian poverty and he showed the contrast between the small number of indian tribes who refused to be supported by the government and the ones in the majority who were supported by the government. The ones who were independent of the government were insanely wealthy. Their reservations were immaculate. They took pride in themselves and were living the American dream. The kicker was that the council over American Indians hated it. It erks the chit out of them because they want them all on that government tit.

That's thing about these agencies, they have the power to make laws and control a lot of things. A lot of people lose their jobs if folks decide they don't need a certain agency anymore.

For me, the only minority group that was treated harshly in American history that I feel bad for are the indians. And it is simply because of the romance of it. To me the American Indian of those days embodied all that was needed to sustain yourself. They had it made, and they knew it. Indians loved their life, their land, the way they did things. They hunted, they fished, they trapped, they camped, and their wives didn't mind it, in fact they expected it. Sounds like the life to me. And we came and tookall of it. I think the fact that we overtook and greedily snatched up every parcel of land for ourselves is bad enough, but we also nearly wiped out an awesome culture and icon to the American sportsman, the American Indian.


Think how proud we humble wannabe outdoorsmen are when we kill a limit of ducks or pitch a tent in the perfect camping spot. Now imagine having thousands of square miles to do in and do it everyday. It would be a noble and proud way to live. It'd certainly be satisfying to the soul. And to have it all changed in the blink of an eye, to lose absolute freedom that they enjoyed, and be confined to a reservation would be so heart breaking that I could only imagine. The best duck holes you could ever imagine are gone. The best honey holes for bedding bream are gone.

William Bartram said, among many other things about how wonderful the American wilderness was, that the southern forests were so inundated with turkeys that on spring mornings nothing could be heard but a constant shouting of turkey gobblers. Man, that'd be a tuff pill to swallow to have to leave that behind.

I saw that report by Stossel but couldn't remember where I saw it. Thanks for bringing that up. Good example of the more govt tries to help the more they screw everything up.

[JDgator]

I'm proud of us. No one used the words "injuns" "redskins" or "firewater" even though we may have wanted to.