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Hammer,

Everytime you post you reconfirm that your "science" of global warming is nothing more than a political statement.

What part of TXU, KKR and TFG swithcing to coal gasification with carbon seqestration is a political statement?

...In other words, when hard nosed, very successful businessmen are making multi billion dollar investment decisions, there is more to it than the Al Gore is a witch/Environmentalists are taking over the world/Hammer should mve to Holland/its a natural climate cycle BS you guys have been spewing for the last 9 pages...

What you have never failed to acknowledge is that natural climate cycles dont happen as fast as this is happening unless there is some cataclysm to explain it such as a dust cloud from a asteroid or comet or massive volcanic eruptions, none of which have occured...

GHG induced GW is science according to the National Academy of Sciences, NASA, UN IPCC, etc, it is real, humans are the cause and billions upon billions of dollars are being invested and will be invested in stopping it from getting worse and dealign with the effects. Despite all this evidence, you guys remain in denial largely because you think that dealing with GHG induced GW will greatly impact your quality of life.

The sad truth is that much of what will be done will make your life better if you value cleaner air and a relatively clean environment, invest in those companies that will make money off of ths by becoming more energy efficient, sellign carbon credits, etc, and if you value relative energ independence versus sending your money to a bunch of camel jockeys everytime you fill your tank, and yall dont get it. Its human nature to shoot the messenger instead of listen to the truth. Plato's Cave comes to mind so go ahead, take your shots.

Indeed. The gasification of carbonation and excessive sequestration leading to toxification could lead to our ruination and bad sanitation. I was going to eat Mexican food tonight, but now I'm feeling guilty. I have some brussel sprouts and baby snap peas on a shish-ka-bob on the grill right now, with some tofu boiling on the stove. Mmmmmm hhmmmmmmm.

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Indeed. The gasification of carbonation and excessive sequestration leading to toxification could lead to our ruination and bad sanitation. I was going to eat Mexican food tonight, but now I'm feeling guilty. I have some brussel sprouts and baby snap peas on a shish-ka-bob on the grill right now, with some tofu boiling on the stove. Mmmmmm hhmmmmmmm.

could you still eat Mexican if you corked the exit? the idea of Tofu is just nasty

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I produce CO2
And so do you!

Hickory dickory dock
Global warming, as a science, is crock.
From cow gas CO2,
To Hammer's doo doo,
Its all just a bunch of horse hock.

Bullreds & Greenheads wrote:Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I produce CO2
And so do you!

Hickory dickory dock
Global warming, as a science, is crock.
From cow gas CO2,
To Hammer's doo doo,
Its all just a bunch of horse hock.

Hidden talents! There is nothing I can write (unless paid to do so) to top the poetic license of BRGH...SCOREBOARD: OSTRICHES

Congrats on a great thread gents...9 plus pages...Not necessarily a record but a very respectable showing...

BTW GH22, what were you doing Wednesday night? I was watching the Rebels throttle the Mustard Buzzards at Trustmark Park.



HAMMER

I might have spoke too soon...The World Business Council for Sustainable Development consists of 190 multinational corporations including 3M, Alcoa, Shell, BP, Dupont, etc...Here is what they have to say about GHG induced GW:


WBCSD plots carbon path to 2050

London, 29 March: The World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD) has called for "decisive, concerted and sustained actions between governments, businesses and consumers" to tackle climate change.

The call comes in a report, Policy Directions to 2050, from the WBCSD, a business organisation of some 190 multinational companies. The report "identifies policy options to sustain economic growth while transforming the ways we access, produce and consume energy".

WBCSD president Björn Stigson said: "Governments must start building the future policy frameworks, and it is necessary for us in business to begin to respond to those policies in time to meet the future emission reduction targets. We can not continue the 'you first' mentality. We need leadership and action by both governments and business."

The report calls for the development and deployment of low-carbon technologies through partnerships and incentives and an approach to mitigate long-term market risk and deliver secure benefits for large-scale, low-carbon projects. It suggests four policy priorities:

1. A quantifiable, long-term (50 year), global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions pathway, to be decided by 2010;

2. Ensuring continuity in carbon targets and markets after 2012, when the Kyoto Protocol expires, using the existing international framework as a basis, and modifying it to build up from local, national, sector or regional programmes;

3. Building robust national programmes, in support of the international pathway, including on energy efficiency, increasing the use of alternative transport fuels, boosting consumer awareness and incentives for low-carbon products, services and lifestyles; and

4. Developing and commercialising a number of low- and zero-GHG technologies. These will require supporting policies and programmes to address technical and cost challenges.

The November 2006 issue of Environmental Finance magazine carried an article by Adam Kirkman of the WBCSD and David Hone of Shell International, based on an early draft of the report (see pages S21-S23).

Updated 29 March 2007

I thank da sun dun got hotter.

I suggest that Bankermane, PML, BRGH and others form their own organizaton, put out a white paper on their theories and explain to the CEOs of GE, Alcoa, Dupont, Duke Energy, KKR and many other MNCs, the governors and legislatures of 16 US states, the US Senators who voted in favor of the 2005 Sense of the Senate Resolution sponsored by Senatore Bingaman of New Mexico, the National Academy of Sciences, the governments of the UK, France, Germany, Russia and many other nations and the 2200+ scientists who signed the UN Declaration on GHG Emissions, why they are wrong....Oh yeah...I forgot...it's not that they are wrong but that GHG induced GW is a religion...

Nothing like mixing big business, socialism, democracy, dictatorships and science together to form a new religion that all of the above can agree on and what a dynamic, David Koresh/Jim Jones type of leader in Al Gore to pull it all together. He is so dynamic, so smooth that he hoodwinked avowed atheist Ted Turner into adopting the new religion....He is getting seasoned CEOs to forget about their shareholders, private equity firms to forget about their 30% annual returns, governments to turn their backs on their people all in the name of a new god, THE ENVIRONMENT...

While yall are at it, you can explain to MS duckhunters why the migration starts later and doesnt last as long and you an explain why on March 29, it is 87 degrees here in MS and hasnt rained in a month.

Im ready for a new perspective.

Gas prices are going up. Utility bills are rising steadily. China and India are rapidly industrializing. The cost of energy is skyrocketing the world over.

The US is passing on a huge economic boom if it doesn't capitalize on this energy crunch and develop technologies to solve this problem. If we can put a man on the moon, we can develop solutions to the pending energy crisis, and sell our products to the rest of the world. I'm tired of hearing about China taking all our manufacturing jobs. Lets develop factories that are 100 times more fuel efficient than theirs. Why don't our auto manufacturers lead the way make large comfortable suvs that get 40 miles a gallon. Why don't we put our engineers and scientists to work on this, and get our incredibly talented workforce busy again. With the right political leadership, this could be as big for our economy as the internet boom (without the crash at the end).

Hammer,
What do you do for a living?

You might not believe me if I told you everything I have done to generate income in my life but let's say I started cutting neighbors yards before I was 10, worked in a fertlizer plant during spring breaks in high school and college, climbed powerlines and worked on a drilling rig during the summers in college before starting my mostly white collar career after graduating from Ole Miss in the early 80s. I say mostly white collar cause there is a lot of physical labor in what I do to this day.

Everything I do is hunting, land and hunting land related which gives me ample opportunity to sit in a deer stand, read, think and observe nature.
From those observations, I have concluded that major changes are taking place and when the folks I have referenced on this thread say those changes are being influenced by GHG induced GW, I gotta believe them.

JDGator has hit on one of my objectives for this thread- there is tremendous economic opportunity in the GW and energy security driven transition from fossil fuel based energy to so-called "alternative energy"...I hope to make a dollar or two in it myself and appreciate the naysayers for motivating me to crystalize my thoughts on this.