Get Ready For Gun Control

[hntrpat1]

^^^So 1010, whats the metal detector going to do when the psycho in combat gear politely refuses to set his AR15 in the coin/key tray?

Maybe this is just a start, but how about retrofitting walls between the hallway and classrooms with bullet proof material, bullet proof doors and a hefty double keyed deadbolt lock that only that room's teacher and the principal have keys to? May not stop him from getting in the building and getting off a couple of shots, but once those doors close his capability to kill diminishes drastically. Another positive is less concern about richocets when SWAT goes in.

or when teachers are shooting. If cc for teachers passed I would be first in line!

[fireplug]

Allow armed teachers with proper training,

The problem with this is that most people who become elementary school teachers are not gun people. They would not wish to work in an environment with guns being stored in their presence for use in an emergency.

If this were the solution, more people like you would have to choose elementary school teaching as a profession.

I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think this will happen.


My wife just got back from a trip to NY. This was her first time to ever go there. She said that to get into the 911 memorial was just like going through the airport. The was security that each visitor pass through. I suppose this would be a good start. Intensive security at places like schools and shopping malls, hospitals, etc to get in the property.

I don't particularly want my gun rights infringed upon. I enjoy owning and using high capacity ar-15 rifles. I would be much more in favor of a nation registry not unlike the current NFA registry as a solution to an outright ban on certain products. This should include serial numbers and registry of magazines if need be before an outright ban on them.

If such a registry were to become implemented. It would have to be revamped. A 6 month plus waiting period is totally unacceptable now and there's no way it would work for a national assault weapon registry. But it's still better than a total ban in my opinion.

I'm sure they would rather not have some nut in the school with a gun and teachers with nothing but a pencil either.
Most teachers are not CC worthy.
My wife is a teacher she would never CC. And her room is right next to the front door.
A school in TX already has armed ADMIN.

Its a rightway and a wrongway to do anything.. Right now most schools don't even have a metal detector.
The only way I would agree to a teacher CC, is with strict training and guidance.
At school sporting events the SO and the city are there for the entire event. We need somebody during school hours also.

Guns/knives in schools has been an issue for a long time, with the mental problems our people have these days its time to act.
occupational hazards are something we all must deal with..JMO

At the school in Texas I referenced in the link, the Teachers and Faculty Volunteer to train for the conceal carry class. No one is saying give
every teacher a gun to carry with them, that's just stupid. The teachers there do it voluntarily and it is kept confidential who is carrying in the
school. None of the other teachers know who the "Gaurdians" are. No reason that wouldn't work in most schools across the nation. Now there
are some liberal schools that you won't have many volunteer for it, but it is a good solution to the school problem. Conceal carry should be made
available and encouraged to the public to police our own in the public like theatres and such.

[1010]

What do we do now...?

Gun control - most likely avenue the govt will pursue, but ultimately will not solve the problem for all of the reasons previously stated in this thread.

Mental screening/database - too much infrastructure and privacy concerns. Also very difficult to absolutely determine an individuals probability of committing a crime with certainty in most cases.

Increased security - too much infrastructure, cost, and rights infringement. We can't turn entire public domain into a prison.

Judicial solutions (stricter punishment/absolute conviction) - The ACLU and the lawyers would mire this route for decades.

It has already been stated clearly that an individual when sufficiently motivated will find a way to execute their will. Under this premise it is relatively impossible to "control" the problem. We as a society are becoming extremely risk averse. The population feels that our government should protect us from all evils. This mind set is fundamentally contradictory to the ideals of what this country was founded on. We are supposed to take care of ourselves. The general population appears to be shifting away from taking care of themselves and giving those precious freedoms to the government.

What happened in CT is a tragedy, but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. One bad apple doesnt ruin the whole barrel in America. Unfortunately this may not be as true as I want it too be.

The LEO previously brought up the discipline side of the argument. This truth is absolutely correct. Not just for gun ownership but for every action we take in life. It relates to personal accountability and responsibility. Two things that are woefully in short supply today. So if personal accountability and responsibility will provide for each individual then how do we get there? No government or community action can provide that to every individual. We need strong families that stay together and take care of each other. This is extremely hard to accomplish on this earth without the key. The key is faith in Jesus Christ. A truly faithful person does not do things like the CT shooting.

Good post!!

[fireplug]

What do we do now...?

Gun control - most likely avenue the govt will pursue, but ultimately will not solve the problem for all of the reasons previously stated in this thread.

Mental screening/database - too much infrastructure and privacy concerns. Also very difficult to absolutely determine an individuals probability of committing a crime with certainty in most cases.

Increased security - too much infrastructure, cost, and rights infringement. We can't turn entire public domain into a prison.

Judicial solutions (stricter punishment/absolute conviction) - The ACLU and the lawyers would mire this route for decades.

It has already been stated clearly that an individual when sufficiently motivated will find a way to execute their will. Under this premise it is relatively impossible to "control" the problem. We as a society are becoming extremely risk averse. The population feels that our government should protect us from all evils. This mind set is fundamentally contradictory to the ideals of what this country was founded on. We are supposed to take care of ourselves. The general population appears to be shifting away from taking care of themselves and giving those precious freedoms to the government.

What happened in CT is a tragedy, but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. One bad apple doesnt ruin the whole barrel in America. Unfortunately this may not be as true as I want it too be.

The LEO previously brought up the discipline side of the argument. This truth is absolutely correct. Not just for gun ownership but for every action we take in life. It relates to personal accountability and responsibility. Two things that are woefully in short supply today. So if personal accountability and responsibility will provide for each individual then how do we get there? No government or community action can provide that to every individual. We need strong families that stay together and take care of each other. This is extremely hard to accomplish on this earth without the key. The key is faith in Jesus Christ. A truly faithful person does not do things like the CT shooting.

NRA should probably use this post as their first public statement since somehow the liberals are blaming the NRA for this shooting.

[farmerc83]

Only spit ballin here, but could there be any sort of parent involvement in something like the Guardian program? Say a dad or two a day that have CC and extra school specific training just walked the halls during classes and around the building when classes were changing. All voluntary and the extra training could be free, SO gets to decide whether the parents qualify or need more training.

Pretty sure a couple of Jackson schools, Davis Magnet possibly, already has some sort of dad volunteer program where they patrol the school, but don't think they are allowed to carry. Either with permission to carry or without, if my daughter's future school has any type of program like this, I'd volunteer.

[1010]

Anything is better than nothing Farmerc.

All it would take is for the school district to amend its policy and allow CC. Take away the gun free zones.

[jacksbuddy]

Yeah, I can see it now, a sign posted on the front door of the school that reads "Dear criminals, Some teachers in this school are armed at certain times. You guess which teachers, and which times.....Good Luck."

[1010]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... en-program

[Drakeshead]

President Barack Hussein Obama hopes to have a bill ready to sign by January.

[gps4]

the more i think about it, the more i recognize that alot of our public (or governmentally controlled) facilities do have armed guards in them: courthouses, airports, federal buildings, governmental agency buildings, governmental research facilties, banks shopping centers, and sporting events. the ony ones i can think of that don't have armed guards on a regular basis are post offices and schools. what kind of sense does that make?

[jdbuckshot]

Say the pass a gun controll law,

im sure the first thing to go are the black assalut weapons, which are no deadlier than my .44 lever action carbine.

what happens to the 1.000's of people that currently own AR's? AK's and SKS's?

[hntrpat1]

what happens to the 1.000's of people that currently own AR's? AK's and SKS's?

nothing happends to them just like the last gun ban. It makes guns worth more on the market. God why didn't my dad buy crates of the sks and ak's back in the day. Hell a sks was 85 bucks. Imagine the money made come the next ban. These gun bans do nothing but make people feel good. We have over 300 million guns in this country. There's no getting rid of all of them!

[gps4]

Say the pass a gun controll law,

im sure the first thing to go are the black assalut weapons, which are no deadlier than my .44 lever action carbine.

what happens to the 1.000's of people that currently own AR's? AK's and SKS's?

if they outlaw possession, they become felons at the stroke of midnight.

meth used to sold in the corner drug stores of america, not its illegal to possess.

it could happen in the stroke of a pen held by the right person....

[dukhntn]

Say the pass a gun controll law,

im sure the first thing to go are the black assalut weapons, which are no deadlier than my .44 lever action carbine.

what happens to the 1.000's of people that currently own AR's? AK's and SKS's?

if they outlaw possession, they become felons at the stroke of midnight.

meth used to sold in the corner drug stores of america, not its illegal to possess.

it could happen in the stroke of a pen held by the right person....

I'm glad I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack.

[Deltamud77]

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