Boy Scouts

[fireplug]

Here are a few things I have been thinking about lately with all of this:

Have there not been gay people in the Boy Scouts before?

If the Church is the body of Christ and the Boy Scouts are a representation of the Church or of its values, then shouldn't the Boy Scouts react to a gay person joining in the same way the church reacts to a openly gay person accepting Christ or joining the church?

Throughout the bible, adulterers and homosexuals seemed to be always be grouped together. If we are looking at this and reacting to this as Christ would. Let me ask you, Does the Boy Scouts still accept adulterers? What do I mean? What is the number one thing a boy does ages 12-20 years old? You know what I am talking about, this is an all guys forum mostly. He rubs his love muscle and thinks about some good looking woman. According to the bible, it is adultery. Those boys are still accepted.

I do agree with you guys about the leadership part, but they are not letting them serve today. Today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow. Let tomorrow worry about itself and let Jesus change others lives through yours today.

Did you just call masturbation adultery? If you did, then you just disqualified yourself from having a biblical coversation. Maybe you meant fornication.

To the rest of your post, God considers homosexuality a sin, no worse a sin than any other sin you or I commit daily. They are all equaly as bad. There is only one unforgivable sin, and that is the rejection of the holy spirit. IF a gay person truly accepts Christ as thier lord and savior, then they would have repented of their sin and would try not to repeat it. Given we all repeat sins daily, but we repent of them and we are convicted by the Holy Spirit to know that we are wrong when we are commiting them. These liberal gay activist want no part of repenting or stopping their sin. I know of no church that would reject any sinner from being part of the church or any of it's affiliations (ie Scouts). If that sinner calls itself a member of that church or affiliation (scouts) then they are subject to the teachings of the church without creating trouble.
The issue is, the Scouts will now be subject to lawsuits because they try to teach the moral Godly rules that you would learn at church to openly homosexual
boys that will cry wolf and have the media on the Scout leader before you can say "Eagle Scout". That and as other have mentioned, the Scouts have now compromised their intergrity by allowing the political winds to sway their opinions instead of standing firm in it's founding beliefs.

[fireplug]

[quote="bigoak"]For the sake of discussion, instead of the boy scouts, what if your son was a starter on his high school footall team or baseball team and another player on the team came out of the closet. Would you make him quit the team?[/quote

You're compairing apples and oranges. Your son's football team doesn't have overnight stays together and sleep in dorm houses or tents with the
gay kid. Your son's football team won't have 17-18 year olds in the shower with 10-12 year olds like the scouts will. Just not compairable.

Also No one here is saying they are out because we hate gays and gays are worse sinners than we are. We are saying we are out because the scouts bowed down to political pressure instead of sticking to pricipals they have taught for over 100 years and it is a dangerous precident they are setting. Churches understand this and they will most likely not continue to fund them due to the dangers of this now undermined priciple becoming even more open to homosexuality i.e. allowing gay leaders.

[gps4]

Here are a few things I have been thinking about lately with all of this:

Have there not been gay people in the Boy Scouts before?

If the Church is the body of Christ and the Boy Scouts are a representation of the Church or of its values, then shouldn't the Boy Scouts react to a gay person joining in the same way the church reacts to a openly gay person accepting Christ or joining the church?

Throughout the bible, adulterers and homosexuals seemed to be always be grouped together. If we are looking at this and reacting to this as Christ would. Let me ask you, Does the Boy Scouts still accept adulterers? What do I mean? What is the number one thing a boy does ages 12-20 years old? You know what I am talking about, this is an all guys forum mostly. He rubs his love muscle and thinks about some good looking woman. According to the bible, it is adultery. Those boys are still accepted.

I do agree with you guys about the leadership part, but they are not letting them serve today. Today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow. Let tomorrow worry about itself and let Jesus change others lives through yours today.

Did you just call masturbation adultery? If you did, then you just disqualified yourself from having a biblical coversation. Maybe you meant fornication.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i imagine mossyisland was refering to matthew 5:28- "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

[gps4]

For the sake of discussion, instead of the boy scouts, what if your son was a starter on his high school footall team or baseball team and another player on the team came out of the closet. Would you make him quit the team?[/quote

You're compairing apples and oranges. Your son's football team doesn't have overnight stays together and sleep in dorm houses or tents with the
gay kid. Your son's football team won't have 17-18 year olds in the shower with 10-12 year olds like the scouts will. Just not compairable.

the 7th -8th grade football teams i played on had community showers....how many 13-14 yr olds scouts are there?

[fireplug]

For the sake of discussion, instead of the boy scouts, what if your son was a starter on his high school footall team or baseball team and another player on the team came out of the closet. Would you make him quit the team?[/quote

You're compairing apples and oranges. Your son's football team doesn't have overnight stays together and sleep in dorm houses or tents with the
gay kid. Your son's football team won't have 17-18 year olds ALONEin the shower with 10-12 year olds like the scouts will. Just not compairable.

the 7th -8th grade football teams i played on had community showers....how many 13-14 yr olds scouts are there?

Fixed my ealier statement above.

[Wingman]

For the record, since I've been an adult leader, I've never known any Scout to be in the shower with another. It was always one at a time.

And there were very strict standards on Adult/ Scout actions. Had to be two adult leaders at every function. No going behind a closed door one on one. If you had to discipline a Scout, you went off to the side but within view and discussed it. No Adults in Scout tents and vice versa. And we even seperated the older boys from the younger ones in sleeping quarters.

That's what irks me. All of the protections and now they open up the flood gates.

[gps4]

please forgive my ignorance here for a moment. the only experience i ever had with scouts was when i was in elementary school for a year or two, tops. if i recall correctly, it was like 3 and maybe 4 grade.

it is my understanding than the new policy changes contemplate "openly gay boys". at what age are we talking about here as far as an "openly gay" boy? in my limited experience with elementary age children, most k-4th graders aren't real interested in sexual orientation or gratification of sexual urges with other kids. (i realize there are always exceptions to the rule, specially if the child has been abused at home or exposed to sexually graphic materials) i dont recall knowing any gay elementary school age kids when i was growing up and i am not aware of any in the elementary schools where my children attend. (that's not to say that there arent any gay kids in their school, i'm just not aware of them). so, is the policy change aimed more at, say, 6th graders thru high school age kids? those kids that are hitting puberty and begin to notice their attraction and other emotional inclination towards the same sex?

by the time i was 11 or 12, if i suspected a kid might be playing for the other team, i'd steer clear of him on the bench in the dugout, at the neighborhood swimming, in the locker room, and certainly in a camping tent or any other social function where i felt like threatened by dude's gayness.

are these scouts that will now be possibly subjected unwelcomed affections from their den members not able to select their own tent mates?

[Wingman]

Boy Scouts: ages 11-17. Yes, they can select who they want to tent with, but what do you do with that gay boy nobody wants to tent with or that you purposefully put in a tent by himself so there are decreased chances for abuse?

Lawsuitville is just around the corner.

[gps4]

[quote="Wingman"]Boy Scouts: ages 11-17. Yes, they can select who they want to tent with, but what do you do with that gay boy nobody wants to tent with or that you purposefully put in a tent by himself so there are decreased chances for abuse?

Lawsuitville is just around the corner.[/


You do the same thing you do with the weird kid that eats his boogers, or doesnt brush his teeth, or doesn't wipe his butt, or smells like he wants to be alone. The tent situation seems like it would work itself out. If no body wants to be around him, it usually results in him having the tent to himself.


Is the chance of homo on hetero sexual advances/abuse amongst 11-17 year old boys more likely or less likely to occur than hetero on hetero bullying and physical abuse, and if so what's the authority or data supporting such a proposition? Seems like I see more reports of openly hetero boys sexually abusing younger hetero boys than homo boys abusing hetero boys.

Is it general consensus that homo boys cannot control their urges as well as hetero boys' urges towards girls.

Likewise, is it general consensus that homo boys are attracted to all other boys as opposed to how 11-17 yr old boys are not necessarily attracted to each and every female that he comes across? It's not uncommon for a boy to have a strictly Plutonic friendship with a girl and have absolutely no sexual attraction towards the friend of the opposite sex.

[Wingman]

Ok. You should volunteer to help.

[ufgators68]

When did rapists and homosexuals get thrown in the same boat? I know several gay people and to my knowledge, they've never raped anyone.

Not that I approve of their choices...

[Buckwabit]

It really surprises me how many people on this board seem to be supporting the BSA choice...Really surprised...

[tombstone]

They had a set of rules.
Some one bullied them into changing.
You people need to quit being politically correct.
Grow a set.

I agree with you buckwabit
This is the same thing that has happened with the minorities. They press a little at a time. Then press more.
Some of you are freakin gutless.
This is about being bullied by a handful of people.

[Buckwabit]

They had a set of rules.
Some one bullied them into changing.
You people need to quit being politically correct.
Grow a set.

I agree with you buckwabit
This is the same thing that has happened with the minorities. They press a little at a time. Then press more.
Some of you are freakin gutless.
This is about being bullied by a handful of people.

To add to this point....

I would think the homosexuals would be the minority here!! So you're going to bend for the whole group for the will of the few?? Sound like Socialism at it's best

[Chuckle12]

I don't mind gay people. I know several, some I went to school with for years and still consider friends, even after they came "out of the closet". And I don't agree with there being an increase in abuse just because they let gay kids in. Just because you're homosexual doesn't make you a pedophile, no more than being heterosexual makes you a pedophile. HOWEVER... just as Buckwabbit said, the reason they allowed gay boys in irks me more than the fact they let them in. For the record, I wasn't a cub/boy scout and never had any interest in it, but I think it's a good organization that folded to sponsor pressure instead of sticking to their guns. That's the point here. Not that the are letting gay kids in.