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[Northbigmuddy]

Seeing as this is action IMO infringes on some liberties in this country lets just go on one more step and add profiling. If your a low information voter/delinquent/non swimmer/generally look up to no good then you get the ninth degree. If your a normal tax paying responsible citizen then you get a pass. Farmerc83 has a few drinks at the tacky Christmas party and is driving the fam home...no problem keep it between the mayo and the mustard. Loranzo Benz pulls up in a 88' Caprice candy painted and looking like a bass boat on dubs blaring some ninja soul with his 6 greasiest homies all packing stolen guns....their rear ends get whooped in the street and dragged off to the pokey.

[farmerc83]

I agree Camlock....much rather see this sort of local action than to let things get so bad the feds step in and it really get FUBAR'd, saying nothing of having to live thru things getting that bad to begin with.

Quoting southdeltan..."Randomly stopping people and demanding to know what they are doing without any reasonable suspicion that they're breaking the law seems like something Stalin or Hitler would do. "Show me your papers"."
This is where the disconnect is. Seems like you assume they'll be stopping folks that don't look or act suspicious at all, when we know that 99% of the time they won't be. I say 99% because we all make mistakes, but occasional failure doesn't justify failure to act. I assume you understand stereotypes and why they are a useful cognitive reasoning tool, even tho they are not politically correct. It's about time we put some common sense above political correctness.
Your jaywalking point is odd to me. Most neighborhoods don't have sidewalks, crosswalks or "push to walk" devices, esp the urban, older ones that typically need this type of police attention.

[Northbigmuddy]

This is where the disconnect is. Seems like you assume they'll be stopping folks that don't look or act suspicious at all, when we know that 99% of the time they won't be. I say 99% because we all make mistakes, but occasional failure doesn't justify failure to act.

If you can gaurantee that this is the way this martial law will be run then fine, but I doubt it will turn out that way. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[farmerc83]

Ok, we'll keep doing what we're doing, watching towns that used to be awesome places to grow up and live go down the $h!tter. I'll keep their 4th amendment rights in mind as they are strolling by mean-mugging my family when we are visiting my grandmother in G'ville this weekend. At least we don't have to worry about SWAT asking why I'm carrying gifts down the street to my aunts house.

Any of you that are opposed to the Paragould system have some viable ideas to help the situation in places like Greenville and Clarksdale?

[iron grip]

This just says to me LAZY

Instead of doing some old fashion police work and catching the bad guys doing, or fixin to do something wrong. We're just going to put the "Brown Shirts" (ala Berlin 1939) out on the street to shake everybody down. 4th amendment violation all the way. Say what you want about what needs to happen here or there, cops being cops and not the gestapo is what freedom in this country is hinged on. Whats to stop them from taking you to jail for no reason. Say you are out walking your dog or your child and you don't have id on you at the time what then. Haul you to the pokey and leave your child standing on the street crying?

If I'm a resident of a town and I get stopped to "see my papers" for no good reason, I'm telling dude to F off. This is America not cold war CCCP.

[camlock]

This just says to me LAZY

Instead of doing some old fashion police work and catching the bad guys doing, or fixin to do something wrong. We're just going to put the "Brown Shirts" (ala Berlin 1939) out on the street to shake everybody down. 4th amendment violation all the way. Say what you want about what needs to happen here or there, cops being cops and not the gestapo is what freedom in this country is hinged on. Whats to stop them from taking you to jail for no reason. Say you are out walking your dog or your child and you don't have id on you at the time what then. Haul you to the pokey and leave your child standing on the street crying?

If I'm a resident of a town and I get stopped to "see my papers" for no good reason, I'm telling dude to F off. This is America not cold war CCCP.

I don't disagree with your idea view conceptually, but I think by in large our LEO are out numbered in terms of what need to be kept in check in many of our communities. I'd bein favor of some of our tax dollars going towards more LEO and better training and pay to encourage recruitment in all units to better police forces where its most needed and still be able to uphold 4th ammendment rights,rather than some of the things we fund. Of course, we all know how much say we get in where funding goes.

[farmerc83]

This just says to me LAZY

Instead of doing some old fashion police work and catching the bad guys doing, or fixin to do something wrong. We're just going to put the "Brown Shirts" (ala Berlin 1939) out on the street to shake everybody down. 4th amendment violation all the way. Say what you want about what needs to happen here or there, cops being cops and not the gestapo is what freedom in this country is hinged on. Whats to stop them from taking you to jail for no reason. Say you are out walking your dog or your child and you don't have id on you at the time what then. Haul you to the pokey and leave your child standing on the street crying?

If I'm a resident of a town and I get stopped to "see my papers" for no good reason, I'm telling dude to F off. This is America not cold war CCCP.

Just like camlock, I agree idealogically, but something about the current way of doing things isn't working. Old fashion police work is often times aided by old fashioned citizens that keep an eye out for one another and come forward with info that helps to solve crimes. When you have entire races, neighborhoods and social groups that won't talk because they are either too afraid of criminal retaliation or they hate the police, I bet it's hard to solve much. Then even if they do catch and charge the perp, our justice system allows itself to be mocked and exploited thru technicalities and lenient sentences. Sure this "marshall law" measure itself isn't going to totally fix things, even if every town in the US implemented it, but it's nice to see some folks push back against the criminal element.

To southdeltan, I like the Ben Franklin quote and it fit well into your argument, but let's not forget that times were very different then (i.e. slavery, quick public executions, no entitlements...).

[greenheadgrimreaper]

I can't understand why any freedom loving American would want to give up their 4th amendment rights.

Exactly. There is a fine line to walk when we citizens say, "there should be a law..."

Me personally, no way in hell I am for the mentioned measures. They are a direct assault on the constitution. And as soon as someone takes up a measure against the actions above, the supreme court will (should?) strike the measures down as unconstitutional.

BUT it should be noted that the measures above are being done at the local and state level. Which is where such measures should take place at. Even though no branch of government trumps the constitution, the fight is much better fought at a local level if you are for/against the proposed laws.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

To southdeltan, I like the Ben Franklin quote and it fit well into your argument, but let's not forget that times were very different then (i.e. slavery, quick public executions, no entitlements...).

No, in fact, nothing has changed since then. I read the book Benjamin Frankilin: An American Life, and I can assure you that Benjamin Franklin would be adamantly opposed to this measure.

[.tadpole]

You guys are on a roll like a pat of butter.

[the doctor]

Where's Charles Bronson and that sock with the rolls of quarters in it...he'll fix this.

The doc