Get Ready For Gun Control

[1010]

Stopping the sale of AR's, high capacity clips, etc will not keep them out of criminals hands, nor will it stop folks with twisted minds from going on crazy killing sprees.. If gun control would stop all this stupidness.. Then I'd be for more laws on buying guns... But it will not. I think it would be way more affective to put a gun in everyone's hands.. Teachers, ol lady at the grocery store, cashier, etc. Now it might not have stopped that freak from going into a school and shooting kids, but he would have thought about it a little more knowing every adult in there was armed and.. I bet not as many would have been killed.

Just my 2 cents

You can't put a gun in everyone's hands, no way that work. We have to realize we are the minority guys. We all grew up around guns and understand how to use them. Tomorrow walk through your local grocery store or your place of employment and look at 10 people. I guarantee you that you would be scared to death of the thought of 8 of them toting a weapon. There would be untold stories of people freaking out and shooting someone who A. wasn't trully a threat or B. innocent by stander.

We are talking about protecting our schools.

[MrGoodtime]

this might not be the appropriate thread for this response, but while we are discussing the impending likelihood of unwelcomed gun control and the congressional erosion of the 2nd amendment, who will be the ones that actually put "cold,dead hands" into action. I tell clients all the time that the only rights we have are the ones we are willing to fight for. How bad do you want to exercise the right to purchase, possess, own and use the types of firearms that are likely to be outlawed?

Is anyone willing to chance keeping the banned weapons locked away in a safe, hoping the goverment won't find out about it, and if found to be in possession, are you willing to serve jail time or pay hefty fines and penalties for possession, perhaps eliminating your right to vote on the lawmakers who are entrusted with the respnsiblity of representing the country's citizen?

Is anyone willing to shed blood or take the life of the government agents who knock on the door to confiscate your weapons? I can't say that I am at that point in my life where I would rather take a bullet, or kill another person so that I can own or possess

while the right to own and bear arms is constitutional, the second amendment can be repealed just like prohibition. not likely, but possible. I do not believe guns are the problem and will not vote for someone who wishes to place more restrictions on gun ownership. i am becoming more and more concerned that my political views are not shared by more than half the voting population in what has been known as the greatest country in the world. kinda makes you wonder how far you're willing to go to protect a right that has been around since the beginning of our country.

Myself , close family members and many friend are all willing to shed blood for our rights, nothing against you or any one else, but people who are not willing to stand and fight are what they ( goverment ) are counting on to make it easy for them to accomplish what they want to do. As long a people fear the goverment they will continue to do as they please, but when they ( goverment ) start to fear the people , then and only then will thing change !

[Jordan River]

Matador, I have no answer for the legislature if they continue to try to control people by controlling guns. We have to change how they view the situation, and it will take men much smarter than me to convince them to do that. There is always more than one way to skin a cat, I guess, and I hope someone has the right words to say to them.

[gps4]

No one is questioning concealed carry effectiveness or what the problem is. The question was why does a citizen need an assault type weapon and by that I mean more than 10 round capability. Do you personally have any valid reason to need an AR 15 with a 100 round clip other than to get out on Saturday and have a good time? Again, not saying you don't, just want to hear why?

What will you say when the semi-auto rifles are scarce and the murderers start use Remington 870s? Think maybe you could find a message board with someone asking how bad you NEED your duck guns?

I see your point and that is my fear as well. Where does it stop, where is the line drawn? Remember I am in no way trying to be against 2nd amendment. My point is how do we combat it? What's the answer?
Everyone has dodged my original question. The liberals want to know. Why does Joe Citizen need an assault type weapon. We need to be able to give them a reasonable answer.

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

Every American "needs" to have the capabiliy and opportunity to protect himself and his family from the tyranny of evil men. Lord knows we cannot rely on the government or the police to protect us from those that are going to harm tbe innocent and joe citizen needs to have the option of protecting himself and his family in the manner he determines to be in his and his families best interest.

Ask a principal how they believe its best to protect his students.Saturday night, I had one tell me how he thinks is the best he can do while staying reasonably close to the red tape. He keeps a pistol in his truck and he makes a deliberate effort to be profficient with it. the liberals will tell him, mr principal you don't need a firearm at school, schools are for learning. But I say to the liberal bleeding heart, it was an armed administrator that prevented the pearl shooting from turning into a columbine or newtown. Like it or not, firearms save lives. why do police officers have weapons? Because they are involved with the criminal element in a daily basis? The are very few places that have the potential for conflict as the modern school house. Mentally unstable kids, nonexistent parental involvement, domestic issues between nutcases involving custody of students, bullying, demonizing, incivility, ridicule, it's all there...every day...the makings of potential disaster, captive audience and defenseless prey...it should never have happened the first time, but once it did, it certainly should not have happened a second or third time.


Mr liberal gun snatcher, when you make me interact with the general public unarmed or send my kids to a place that I cannot protect myself, you damn sure better protect me and my family as well or better than I could! If you can't or won't, don't handcuff me by limiting how I can defend me and mine!

[gps4]

this might not be the appropriate thread for this response, but while we are discussing the impending likelihood of unwelcomed gun control and the congressional erosion of the 2nd amendment, who will be the ones that actually put "cold,dead hands" into action. I tell clients all the time that the only rights we have are the ones we are willing to fight for. How bad do you want to exercise the right to purchase, possess, own and use the types of firearms that are likely to be outlawed?

Is anyone willing to chance keeping the banned weapons locked away in a safe, hoping the goverment won't find out about it, and if found to be in possession, are you willing to serve jail time or pay hefty fines and penalties for possession, perhaps eliminating your right to vote on the lawmakers who are entrusted with the respnsiblity of representing the country's citizen?

Is anyone willing to shed blood or take the life of the government agents who knock on the door to confiscate your weapons? I can't say that I am at that point in my life where I would rather take a bullet, or kill another person so that I can own or possess

while the right to own and bear arms is constitutional, the second amendment can be repealed just like prohibition. not likely, but possible. I do not believe guns are the problem and will not vote for someone who wishes to place more restrictions on gun ownership. i am becoming more and more concerned that my political views are not shared by more than half the voting population in what has been known as the greatest country in the world. kinda makes you wonder how far you're willing to go to protect a right that has been around since the beginning of our country.

Myself , close family members and many friend are all willing to shed blood for our rights, nothing against you or any one else, but people who are not willing to stand and fight are what they ( goverment ) are counting on to make it easy for them to accomplish what they want to do. As long a people fear the goverment they will continue to do as they please, but when they ( goverment ) start to fear the people , then and only then will thing change !

It's easy to say that now. I don't know what weapons you have. But for the sake of friendly discussion, are you willing to kill the officers of your own government that come to your home to confiscate your Ar-15 or tactical 870 or m-16 or what have you? If so, are you really ready to checkout when the swat teams converge on your house like ruby ridge? I'm afraid that our government has grown so big and panders so much to the corporate interests that it will never again fear its constituents.

[matador1]

Myself , close family members and many friend are all willing to shed blood for our rights, nothing against you or any one else, but people who are not willing to stand and fight are what they ( goverment ) are counting on to make it easy for them to accomplish what they want to do. As long a people fear the goverment they will continue to do as they please, but when they ( goverment ) start to fear the people , then and only then will thing change ![/quote]

It's easy to day that now. I don't know what weapons you have. But for the sake of friendly discussion, are you willing to kill the officers of you own government that come to your home to confiscate you Ar-15 or tactical 870 or m-16 or what have you? If so, are you really ready to checkout when the sway teams converge on your house like ruby ridge? I'm afraid that our government has grown so big and panders so much to the corporate interests that it will never again fear it's constituents.[/quote]


I agree, as I said earlier the "pry them from my cold dead hands" charge sounds awesome when you're beating your chest on the internet or to your buddies around camp but I'd be willing to bet 90% of those making that statemnt would be the first to we their pants when faced with the possibility of having to actually live or die to make that statement true.
I pray none of us ever have to make that decision.

[ufgators68]

I totally agree it's the person not the gun. However, let's be honest, had this guy not had access to a Bushmaster there is a really good chance we might ot be mourning as many children's death right now.

I haven't read all of this thread but this is b/s. Two average 9mm pistols will hold just as much ammo as an average AR mag and the range at which he was using them would have been just as devastating.

On top of that pistol mags can be reloaded quicker and more of them easily concealed than an AR mag.

[Jordan River]

One thing is for sure. Controlling the types of guns available, if any, or who can purchase them will NOT protect our children. Period.

[3spop]

First of all, I don't think we need to be planning to conceed anything. The defeatist attitude about giving up something because it will just be too hard to fight is absolutely the wrong way to be thinking. I have so many thoughts about so many incorrect statements made in this thread, it's hard for me to remember everything I want to say. I'm just gonna make statements.

Someone said it's basically a fact he wouldn't have been able to kill so many without the AR. That's liberal BS. The type of gun is basically irrelevent IMO. Imagine an 870 with 5 rounds of #4 buckshot being fired into that classroom. How about a 30/30 with 7 rds. ....a 742 woodsmaster with 3 full magazines, that's just a few common guns off the top of my head. Now this will be hard for some to imagine, but try. Imagine a 20 year old nutjob with an 34" easton aluminum bat or a $10 machete off the camping aisle at Walmart walking up into a classroom of little kids planning on killing as many as possible.

Morality, love, respect for human life, and just normal brain function CANNOT be legislated. No matter what the liberals try to make you believe. It is NOT inevitable that they will pass gun control. Quit worrying about trying to prove why you need hicap magazines. That is what the libs want you to be worried about. Why do you need to worship how you choose? Why do you need the freedom to speak against the views of someone elses political leanings? Why do you need to disagree with abortion? Why do you need congress and the POTUS to be elected? Ridiculous looking questions, don't you think.

Do not allow them to convince you that you have to give in, even just a little. 5 round magazines or 30 round magazines. Pistol grip or european stock. makes no difference. Evil is evil. I believe most liberals know this to be true. Some of them are reacting with their emotions just as some on this board have. I have 2 young children myself. What was done at that school still hurts me down deep in my soul. BUT......the bushmaster didn't do it, the tactical vest didn't do it. Don't let your emotions override your logic. That single thing is what they will be hoping for and counting on. You could see it in BHO's speech yesterday. He is willing to use this in any way possible to push through some changes that he knew wouldn't fly this time last week. they're going to try something, probably sooner than later, but that doesn't mean you just give in to them. i don't care if they really believe we will all be safer with gun restrictions or if they just want gun restrictions so they can advance a much more sinister agenda against an electorate unable to stop them. The European models are all over the world and we have many people here in our country who want to remold us into exactly that. They will more than likely start by talking about magazine capacities, pistol grips, collapsible stocks, and the like. Make no mistake, that will only be the beginning.

I gotta go help my kid study. I could discuss this for days on end.

[eSJay]

My point is how do we combat it? What's the answer?
Everyone has dodged my original question. The liberals want to know. Why does Joe Citizen need an assault type weapon. We need to be able to give them a reasonable answer.

Adam,
I certainly do not have the answers that will change the minds of the ignorant liberals pushing gun control, but this is my reasonable answer: Criminals will always have assault weapons....period, so how can I protect my family against someone who has an obvious advantage? He has 100 rounds, I'm legally limited to 10 (assuming I can even own a gun)....advantage goes to the criminal & this law abiding citizen goes down in a blaze of glory.
Gun control is the easy way out, but it is so far from where the real focus needs to be! Identifying mentally ill folks capable of this stuff is next to impossible. Supposedly, this kid had Asperger syndrome, but does that mean everyone suffering from this is capable of mass murdering children? How do we figure out which ones to lock away & which ones we allow to walk among us? Again, gun control is the easy way out, but will absolutely do nothing to prevent this kind of stuff in the future. A person that is as driven as this guy & the movie theater guy in Colorado will find a way to carry out his intent no matter what the law says.
I know this. Now is the time for us to do something to protect our rights. The longer we wait, the further behind we fall. Problem is, what is the ”something” that we need to do?

[camlock]

I understand the arguments for regulation of assault style weapons and why we may notneed tem, but I don't agree with the idea of supporting the banning of them because they've been used in these situations. The reason is simple, the next time a crazy attacks innocent people in a mass shooting and he couldn't get his hands on an AR due to regulations, so he shoots up a bunch of innocent people with a pump shotgun and 9 mm then the liberals will then have a precedent to go after those guns which overlap so many of the weapons owned and used legally by law abiding citizens. Once the ball really stats rolling we are in trouble..precedent is a scary thing in law

[DanP]

Insanity can be defined as "repeating the same action and expecting a different result". In this case, as in many others, compromise is that action. From the time this country became a dominant world power, Americans have compromised the moral, ethical and Christian standards that built this country under the premise of a better life for the next generation or for simple selfish convenience. Ultimately that will be the demise of this country, as it has been for every civilization of record that has followed the same pattern.

On this forum, I believe we mostly agree that guns aren't the problem.

in·teg·ri·ty firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values

Yet, with the overwhelming lack of integrity of some in their beliefs here we are offering a compromise for hopes of what??? Buying a few years time before the next round of legislation further restricts our constitutional rights to keep and bear arms??? Despite the agreed upon fact of lessening moral standards being the real problem we choose to focus time and effort on compromising our stated beliefs???

To each his own, but perhaps those suggesting compromises that don't address the agreed upon issue should step back and re-evaluate things.

"Who really needs an assault rifle, it's ok if only military and police have those". This is where it begins. Compromise, the details, one piece at a time. At least that's the case with every other moral/ethical issue this country has faced. Where is the proof this issue won't be different? I may loose but at least I know that I stood up for what I believe in.

Teach your kids and those that will listen or observe what is right and virtuous according to God's Word, and uphold your beliefs with integrity lacking compromise.

For those that label me a Bible toting gun nut, your probably right, but I still stand firm to my beliefs.

[matador1]

Good stuff DanP. Another reason I love this website.

[3spop]

Great stats here for those who are always quoting stats.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

[simplepeddler]

So how many children would be acceptable??
if had only killed 10, 5, three........one .........yours............??
arguing "less" kids would have been killed, in my southern dumbass opinion is senseless.

It's horrible, plain and simple.

but can it be stopped?
NO
in the 30's ( I think) some dude bombed a school and killed kids........will that be what is used next?
Do we "control" bombs now?

what we have is a quickly becoming A-moral society.....one in which has not concept of morality. We should pray for immorality to come back!??!.......at least they quilty know they are quilty.

AND, do we really need to be told for days now that Newtown will never be the same?
That many people are grieving?
that this kid was deranged?
Do we really need to "investigate the guns back to the manufacturer"?

Sensationlism is what is killing this country, like we are all living in and episode of "Real World" on MTV.
We do not need the bible of GOD back in School, we need the bible and GOD back in OUR HOMES!!!!!
or investigate "every discharged bullet"?