Get Ready For Gun Control

[matador1]

Need has nothing to do with it. People buy sports cars all the time with way more horsepower than needed to do the speed limit of 65.

Sportscars don't kill 27 people on a friday morning.

No, but a person driving one can certainly drive it straight down the sidewalk and kill that many if not more.

You're right, the car can't kill people anymore than a gun can.

Good point but I think we'll all agree that's not as prevelant as guns killing people. I could as easily say potato peelers can kill people if applied in a violent manner. It's comical to think anyoe in their right mind would imply cars need to be controlled beacuse they are used as weapons. You all are falling into the trap of avoiding the catalyst in hopes that it goes away. It's not. We willa ll be faced with thsi sooner than later, more than likely sooner. Better be thinking more logically than using a car analogy. An educated liberal with a fire lit inside him will eat you aliv eand make you look stupid if you try that. These people are passionate baout their agenda. Until we get the same way and stop using the same old cliche sayings and posturing with our " they'll take my guns wehn they pry them from my dead hands" approach we are going to fall behind in the fight.

[southdeltan]

It's not a gun problem. These types of weapons were available in the 70's and 80's and you didn't see this type of mass shooting until much later.

The tommy gun was around long before then. And was used to kill many folks.

Show incidents of people who used tommy guns to kill large numbers of random people.

Criminals fighting each other, or killing specific people are one thing. Mass shootings involving random people are an entirely different one.

[matador1]

No one is questioning concealed carry effectiveness or what the problem is. The question was why does a citizen need an assault type weapon and by that I mean more than 10 round capability. Do you personally have any valid reason to need an AR 15 with a 100 round clip other than to get out on Saturday and have a good time? Again, not saying you don't, just want to hear why?

Short answer is no, but I don't need a car that goes over 70mph either since that is the speed limit, but ever single car on the road will go over 70mph.. I think your getting hung up on the type of firearm it is. I understand your point, but if we applied that logic to everything then we should ban buses that carry more than 30 people, or trains or any other mass transit system since they have the potential to have mass deaths.

The bans won't do anything but temporarily appease the liberals. If we want to stop these things then we as responsible gun owners have to change the culture or stereotype. When the mall shooting happened in Portland ever one wondered why there were not more deaths since he had a AR.. This is why http://www.easybakegunclub.com/blog/196 ... ull-S.html. We need more well trained quite voices for carry like this..

I totally agree with you on this one. This is top of my list for 2013. I embarrasingly enough do not have a CCP nor do I have a pistol that I owuld feel comfortable carrying. But I know that I am going to take care of that soon.

[1010]

I'm just saying those kind of guns have been around for awhile.

[stang67]

No one is questioning concealed carry effectiveness or what the problem is. The question was why does a citizen need an assault type weapon and by that I mean more than 10 round capability. Do you personally have any valid reason to need an AR 15 with a 100 round clip other than to get out on Saturday and have a good time? Again, not saying you don't, just want to hear why?

What will you say when the semi-auto rifles are scarce and the murderers start use Remington 870s? Think maybe you could find a message board with someone asking how bad you NEED your duck guns?

[1010]

matador1, I don't have an AR, but with the way this country is headed down the tubes (economy and civil unrest) and so many folks that are dependant on the broke GOV, I have had a change of heart and considered buying one.

I just want to be able to protect my wife and kids the best I can..

[bigoak]

Those of you that disagree with Matador, what is your answer? When does the killing of innocent children stop? How do we stop it? If the President authorized you to personally come up with a plan to put into action, what would you do? What would you say if you were called before Congress to testify? Would you just say that guns are not the problem and the mass killing of children is something that we are going to have to accept as the norm in this society? These are the kinds of questions that keep running through my mind when I see the images of those innocent babies and teachers. I know what we can all do and that is turn to the Almighty God and humble ourselves and pray for this nation.

[1010]

Those of you that disagree with Matador, what is your answer? When does the killing of innocent children stop? How do we stop it? If the President authorized you to personally come up with a plan to put into action, what would you do? What would you say if you were called before Congress to testify? Would you just say that guns are not the problem and the mass killing of children is something that we are going to have to accept as the norm in this society? These are the kinds of questions that keep running through my mind when I see the images of those innocent babies and teachers. I know what we can all do and that is turn to the Almighty God and humble ourselves and pray for this nation.

Allow armed teachers with proper training, have armed VETS in schools. hire off duty police..

I agree something has to be done, take away the gun free zones!!

[Jordan River]

Matador, you asked also for responses from LEO concerning the assault rifles. One night several years ago, a Lieutenant from Memphis made a traffic stop on a vehicle that was in an area where there were lots of burglaries occurring. Next thing he knew, sliding back glass gets pushed open a bit, muzzle comes out and the firing begins. First officer to arrive on scene with the Lieutenant gets rained upon with a hail of bullets, one of which penetrates the engine block of his squad car. Suspects take off in their car, continually firing rounds out the back glass. They were on Germantown Parkway then headed east on Walnut Grove Road. (Two major roads in Memphis...highly populated with commuter traffic and people out...even at the early morning hour this incident occurred) The suspects drove into a neighborhood and bailed out of the vehicles. When the vehicle was searched, large capacity magazines were found alongside the rifle. They were eventually captured.
I was one of the officers chasing the vehicle and getting fired at. Those guys wanted that rifle and those high capacity magazines. No amount of gun control would have kept them from getting those items. That incident is the reason why we have the ability to carry patrol rifles now. We had the rifles for quite a while before this incident.
What happened to the suspects? I think they are out. Remember this because it is important.
The solution is not rocket science. I have been a card carrying professional donut taster for 25 years. What I bring to this discussion is definitely a layman's point of view; and, that point of view is jaded because of what I do.
One of the guys posted a picture of George Washington saying we should be armed and disciplined. Disciplined is an important word.
1. The laws are not the problem. The punishment for violating the laws is.
2. In 25 years, I have seen approximately 10 emotionally disturbed people out of hundreds who truly have no concept of fear. The others, as "crazy" as they were/are, knew when to "stop acting out" for FEAR of what was about to happen to them.
3. So I repeat what I posted earlier. Had that young man in Connecticut known the educators and staff would have been well armed and DISCIPLINED, he would have known he wouldn't make it very far in the school before being killed. That's why I say gun control played a major role in the deaths of those children and staff because the staff were NOT armed. Perhaps this fellow was one of those 10 with no concept of fear... He still would not have made it very far in that school.
4. They got out. Remember? Had those guys that night been aware of folks who do that sort of thing being executed, I probably would not have been dodging rounds. PUNISHMENT works remarkably well. Rehabilitation is utter failure in MOST cases. I deal with the same folks over and over.
5. Like one of the earlier posters said... if 30 round magazines are banned, just carry 3 ten round mags...

Matador, if violations of the laws are not truly punished, and there is no arming of people to put a healthy fear in folks who victimize others, then I am in support of banning assault weapons, 100 round magazines like the ones I found in that vehicle, and making it damn near impossible to buy a gun. The problem is we are focusing on the incorrect factors, i.e., the weapons.

I want every American to be well armed, trained, and DISCIPLINED. That is the best, simplest solution. And it is the best gun control I can think of.

[free78]

Had a discussion about the 2nd Amendment today at work. I was told it was not meant for assault rifles and meant for weapons of that time, a musket. I asked where in the Amendment it mentioned a musket and couldn't get an answer other than not meant for today's weapons. I asked if they realized when the Amendment was written that we didn't let people sit in prison we publicly executed them I couldn't get anyone to continue the conversation.

I agree with Jordan. Every law abiding citizen should be armed, well trained and well educated. No one is afraid of punishment. You kill someone today you go to prison and get feed, free workouts, free cable and get to see all your friends.

[chs36]

Stopping the sale of AR's, high capacity clips, etc will not keep them out of criminals hands, nor will it stop folks with twisted minds from going on crazy killing sprees.. If gun control would stop all this stupidness.. Then I'd be for more laws on buying guns... But it will not. I think it would be way more affective to put a gun in everyone's hands.. Teachers, ol lady at the grocery store, cashier, etc. Now it might not have stopped that freak from going into a school and shooting kids, but he would have thought about it a little more knowing every adult in there was armed and.. I bet not as many would have been killed.

Just my 2 cents

[matador1]

No one is questioning concealed carry effectiveness or what the problem is. The question was why does a citizen need an assault type weapon and by that I mean more than 10 round capability. Do you personally have any valid reason to need an AR 15 with a 100 round clip other than to get out on Saturday and have a good time? Again, not saying you don't, just want to hear why?

What will you say when the semi-auto rifles are scarce and the murderers start use Remington 870s? Think maybe you could find a message board with someone asking how bad you NEED your duck guns?

I see your point and that is my fear as well. Where does it stop, where is the line drawn? Remember I am in no way trying to be against 2nd amendment. My point is how do we combat it? What's the answer?
Everyone has dodged my original question. The liberals want to know. Why does Joe Citizen need an assault type weapon. We need to be able to give them a reasonable answer.

[matador1]

Matador, you asked also for responses from LEO concerning the assault rifles. One night several years ago, a Lieutenant from Memphis made a traffic stop on a vehicle that was in an area where there were lots of burglaries occurring. Next thing he knew, sliding back glass gets pushed open a bit, muzzle comes out and the firing begins. First officer to arrive on scene with the Lieutenant gets rained upon with a hail of bullets, one of which penetrates the engine block of his squad car. Suspects take off in their car, continually firing rounds out the back glass. They were on Germantown Parkway then headed east on Walnut Grove Road. (Two major roads in Memphis...highly populated with commuter traffic and people out...even at the early morning hour this incident occurred) The suspects drove into a neighborhood and bailed out of the vehicles. When the vehicle was searched, large capacity magazines were found alongside the rifle. They were eventually captured.
I was one of the officers chasing the vehicle and getting fired at. Those guys wanted that rifle and those high capacity magazines. No amount of gun control would have kept them from getting those items. That incident is the reason why we have the ability to carry patrol rifles now. We had the rifles for quite a while before this incident.
What happened to the suspects? I think they are out. Remember this because it is important.
The solution is not rocket science. I have been a card carrying professional donut taster for 25 years. What I bring to this discussion is definitely a layman's point of view; and, that point of view is jaded because of what I do.
One of the guys posted a picture of George Washington saying we should be armed and disciplined. Disciplined is an important word.
1. The laws are not the problem. The punishment for violating the laws is.
2. In 25 years, I have seen approximately 10 emotionally disturbed people out of hundreds who truly have no concept of fear. The others, as "crazy" as they were/are, knew when to "stop acting out" for FEAR of what was about to happen to them.
3. So I repeat what I posted earlier. Had that young man in Connecticut known the educators and staff would have been well armed and DISCIPLINED, he would have known he wouldn't make it very far in the school before being killed. That's why I say gun control played a major role in the deaths of those children and staff because the staff were NOT armed. Perhaps this fellow was one of those 10 with no concept of fear... He still would not have made it very far in that school.
4. They got out. Remember? Had those guys that night been aware of folks who do that sort of thing being executed, I probably would not have been dodging rounds. PUNISHMENT works remarkably well. Rehabilitation is utter failure in MOST cases. I deal with the same folks over and over.
5. Like one of the earlier posters said... if 30 round magazines are banned, just carry 3 ten round mags...

Matador, if violations of the laws are not truly punished, and there is no arming of people to put a healthy fear in folks who victimize others, then I am in support of banning assault weapons, 100 round magazines like the ones I found in that vehicle, and making it damn near impossible to buy a gun. The problem is we are focusing on the incorrect factors, i.e., the weapons.

I want every American to be well armed, trained, and DISCIPLINED. That is the best, simplest solution. And it is the best gun control I can think of.

You'll get no arguments from me on any of your points. Punishment being the biggest motivator. I've always said that. But obviously that isn't going to change.
As for them not stopping til lthey get the weapon of their choice I agree. However, surely you agree that it's getting easier to get them, right? And you can do so legally.

[matador1]

Stopping the sale of AR's, high capacity clips, etc will not keep them out of criminals hands, nor will it stop folks with twisted minds from going on crazy killing sprees.. If gun control would stop all this stupidness.. Then I'd be for more laws on buying guns... But it will not. I think it would be way more affective to put a gun in everyone's hands.. Teachers, ol lady at the grocery store, cashier, etc. Now it might not have stopped that freak from going into a school and shooting kids, but he would have thought about it a little more knowing every adult in there was armed and.. I bet not as many would have been killed.

Just my 2 cents

You can't put a gun in everyone's hands, no way that work. We have to realize we are the minority guys. We all grew up around guns and understand how to use them. Tomorrow walk through your local grocery store or your place of employment and look at 10 people. I guarantee you that you would be scared to death of the thought of 8 of them toting a weapon. There would be untold stories of people freaking out and shooting someone who A. wasn't trully a threat or B. innocent by stander.

[4dawgma]

Let'r rip, the only guns in my name is an H&R 444 and a wore out OG Nova. I'd hate to part with'em buttf u kit. If they think guns are the problem then you ain't gonna change their mind. It would never be the the parents fault for raising a psychopathic kid.....