gun control and this massacre and lazy gun owners

[greenheadgrimreaper]

I wonder if many folks like me and mine fully understand the scope of this massacre and what it means to our way of life. It is truly shocking and disgusting- what happened. But it is not too early to discuss this topic. In fact, the psychos on the left were discussing it before that murderer's blood had even ran cold.

I think of the dog topic on the deer hunting forum and the same recurring theme with that topic: you better police your own before you all lose out.

I think- I know- the same is true of gun owners. It is not time to give way and give up our rights. But it is time for the manufacturers, owners, lobbying groups and pro-gun politicians to come up with solutions to police our own- before someone else does it for us.

I prayed we would not have this president for 4 more years, but, if we did, may God's Will be done. I am afraid this is another sentence reading towards the end of the country as we know it. People, by design, have knee-jerk reactions in these situations. People are thinking irrationally right now; gun owners need to be the ones with rational logic when this all blows over- and it will blow over quickly. What I am afraid of is that one more nail will be put into conservative politicians' chances at getting reelected if major votes come up quickly. The sick people on the other side, I believe, will act quickly to front out conservatives with a vote on gun control. I think it's time we gun owners put forth solutions that we find tolerable and within the scope of full second amendment rights. We can't afford to have the NRA go to Washington and pout for us- we need leaders with solutions that the majority can agree on. I have no idea what those solutions are being that I believe that the 2nd amendment is too trodden on as it is, but out of millions of owners, someone can come up with a "now that's a good idea."

As I type this, a Muslim Sheikh is giving me lessons on hope and love and mercy. And in the weeks to come, me and mine will be demonized for being responsible gun owners. We better police ourselves or someone else who doesn't "get it" will, bet the farm on it. Probably won't happen right now, but sit your lazy butt around and wait on someone else to maintain your rights for you, and you are going to find out that those right left out the back door.

[davidees]

This is true

[duckkiller]

Well said

[jdbuckshot]

At this point, im ready to throw my hands in the air.

i can't stomach another tradgedy like this one.

[yankee]

There are already laws in place making it illegal to have a gun on school property, there are laws against stealing guns, there are laws against murdering people. CT's gun laws are very restrictive already--what good does it do to add laws that are ignored?

What makes us think more laws will be the answer?
The answer is to address the societal problems. No father in the home. No church affiliation. A history of mental illness. This tragedy and the others that have come before it just show us the rotting core of our society. Guns will get the blame, but new gun laws won't help. These mass-shooters are young, come from fatherless homes, and are living on the fringes of society.

[1010]

There are already laws in place making it illegal to have a gun on school property, there are laws against stealing guns, there are laws against murdering people. CT's gun laws are very restrictive already--what good does it do to add laws that are ignored?

What makes us think more laws will be the answer?
The answer is to address the societal problems. No father in the home. No church affiliation. A history of mental illness. This tragedy and the others that have come before it just show us the rotting core of our society. Guns will get the blame, but new gun laws won't help. These mass-shooters are young, come from fatherless homes, and are living on the fringes of society.

Exactly and then provide him with that kind of fire power,, dumb as hell!!

[bigoak]

We discussed this in Sunday school yesterday. All the mass shooters have been young white males. As others have said, they have no strong father figure, they are outcasts, have no sense of reality, probably play a lot of violent video games, did not grow up in church. White males that are latch key kids. Parents just left them at home alone all the time playing video games.

The blacks just kill people they don't like (gang related, drive by type killings). The whites kill innocent women and children. That is just sick. Have no idea what the answer is.

[GrizwalD]

We discussed this in Sunday school yesterday. All the mass shooters have been young white males. As others have said, they have no strong father figure, they are outcasts, have no sense of reality, probably play a lot of violent video games, did not grow up in church. White males that are latch key kids. Parents just left them at home alone all the time playing video games.

The blacks just kill people they don't like (gang related, drive by type killings). The whites kill innocent women and children. That is just sick. Have no idea what the answer is.

There in lies your problem!!! these video games contain the exact actions that these sick individuals act upon and it always seems to be some you punk ass white kid and you know these are pretty much the only ones who play the sick games. Black kids gonna play madden NFL instead .... stricter gun laws are just like locks, they are for the honest people not for the crooked people

[hntrpat1]

tradgedies happen. This one happened because the dude was screwed in the head. He didn't do it because of a gun, video games etc. Its stupid to regulate that crap. Regulate booze more ban it it kills more people and screws up more lives than anything. Guys bad stuff happens can't do much to prevent that.

[hntrpat1]

We discussed this in Sunday school yesterday. All the mass shooters have been young white males. As others have said, they have no strong father figure, they are outcasts, have no sense of reality, probably play a lot of violent video games, did not grow up in church. White males that are latch key kids. Parents just left them at home alone all the time playing video games.

The blacks just kill people they don't like (gang related, drive by type killings). The whites kill innocent women and children. That is just sick. Have no idea what the answer is.

There in lies your problem!!! these video games contain the exact actions that these sick individuals act upon and it always seems to be some you punk booty white kid and you know these are pretty much the only ones who play the sick games. Black kids gonna play madden NFL instead .... stricter gun laws are just like locks, they are for the honest people not for the crooked people

you just contradicted yourself, don't band guns but ban video games, REALLY?

[jacksbuddy]

There are already laws in place making it illegal to have a gun on school property, there are laws against stealing guns, there are laws against murdering people. CT's gun laws are very restrictive already--what good does it do to add laws that are ignored?

What makes us think more laws will be the answer?
The answer is to address the societal problems. No father in the home. No church affiliation. A history of mental illness. This tragedy and the others that have come before it just show us the rotting core of our society. Guns will get the blame, but new gun laws won't help. These mass-shooters are young, come from fatherless homes, and are living on the fringes of society.

I know that I am preaching to the choir here, but I think you hit the nail squarely on the head with this one.

News reports say that the mother was trying to "bond with her son", and that is the reason she took him shooting. There are other 'manly' persuits that she could've used to bond with the boy. Just because guns are legal, does not mean that everyone should have one. A parent would know that. And if she'd had help in the parenting department, at least one of them should have realized that.

[1010]

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... d-says?lte

Media is reporting the computer was smashed to pieces,, I just wonder if something on it is what set the guy off at home!!

[Bonecollecter1111]

i heard a politician ask why God would allow such a tragedy to happen in our country.

Answer - we have kicked God out of our schools, we have kicked Him out of or courts, we have Kicked Him out of our Government, we have kicked Him out of our morals and out of our lives! why would he stop it? is the better question! Tragedy yes, but Our Savior allowed his Chosen people to endure much worse for their turning their backs on God after he had blessed them. Why should America be any different?

we are being ruled by what amounts to Selfish Children in Washington, that are being voted in by the "have-nots" of this country, if they do not have it to lose, then a Right they have but do not exercise doesn't seem to affect them when it is lost. and they willingly give it up under the pretense of getting something that they think will help them.

the sudden publicity and seemingly sharp rise in these types of gun crimes so soon after the election raises the question of is there something else driving them other than these people being crazy or is the left pushing them on us to speed the masses to embrace giving up their guns??? why wouldn't they, they did have fast and furious! it was a mass murder scheme by putting guns in the hands of criminals for the sole purpose of gun control, its not that far a reach! and we all know Holder will not allow it to come out and if it does Obama will cover him


sorry for the ramble

bone

[ducks_inc]

There is very little the federal govt has ever done that works the way they invision it.. The war on drugs has been a complete an utter failure.. Outlaw or ban guns and the Mexican cartels will find a way to sell them in the US to criminals at inflated prices.. Guns will not disappear, it will make them marginally more difficult for criminals to obtaain law abiding citizens will follow the law and become even more victimized..

[camlock]

mentally ill kid...not video games or lack of a role model...below is a pretty interesting read...

http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/

I agree that many things kids are exposed to are bad for our society and it's future, and lack of father figures in the life of children are major negatives in their becoming good members of society and staying out of trouble....but the kind of evil we are dealing with in these shootings doesn't come from all that...it's the same amount of perspective that the liberals need when thinking criminals will stop being criminals b/c of new laws put into place...I don't know that answer, but after more info comes out on all these things, it's difficult to support gun control and 2nd amendment rights and what is ailing our mental stable majority with mentally ill kids and young adults...just don't belong in the same conversation...

what is disheartening is whether anyone agrees of disagrees, our govt will still use it to gain power in an area that had nothing to do with the reality of how this tragedy came about, and come down harder on law abiding citizens and do nothing to address any real issue...

Obama said last night...something to the effect "how can we do nothing"...well doing something that has nothing to do with what just happened might as well be nothing, which is what I expect our govt to do.