If your business or corporation is heavily subsidized...

[the doctor]

Farm subsidies have kept our food costs low and competitive since implemented.

I think lowest in developed nations as a % of income. Nobody bitchees much about that money our govt spends cause we all eat.

Shall we talk abiut national defense and the subsidies those companies receive?

And instead of spcific business lets discuss whole industries. Automotive, aerospace, defense education agriculture banking healthcare etc all heavily subsidized.

Lots of folks touched by govt funding outside of those that receive the entitlement payments.

The doc

[biggs]

Farm subsidies have kept our food costs low and competitive since implemented.

I think lowest in developed nations as a % of income. Nobody bitchees much about that money our govt spends cause we all eat.

Shall we talk abiut national defense and the subsidies those companies receive?

And instead of spcific business lets discuss whole industries. Automotive, aerospace, defense education agriculture banking healthcare etc all heavily subsidized.

Lots of folks touched by govt funding outside of those that receive the entitlement payments.

The doc

and it's all welfare.

People who receive a benefit don't seem to be quite so capitalist or to care if it's constitutional so long as they receive a benefit. It's all garbage

[lower14]

Farm subsidies have kept our food costs low and competitive since implemented.

I think lowest in developed nations as a % of income. Nobody bitchees much about that money our govt spends cause we all eat.

Shall we talk abiut national defense and the subsidies those companies receive?

And instead of spcific business lets discuss whole industries. Automotive, aerospace, defense education agriculture banking healthcare etc all heavily subsidized.

Lots of folks touched by govt funding outside of those that receive the entitlement payments.

The doc

and it's all welfare.

People who receive a benefit don't seem to be quite so capitalist or to care if it's constitutional so long as they receive a benefit. It's all garbage

Do you deduct your home mortgage interest or charitable donations when filing your taxes?

[7ducks]

US Manufactures need help in the form of local, state and national subsidies for survival in a global economy in which Asian and European producers are routinely subsidized.

The only manufacturers in America who can go without government support are those whose markets are so insignificant that they are not noticed by foreign producers.

There is nothing made in the United States that has to be made here............. that can’t be shipped in from some other country.

[bigbeeducker]

At the end of the day, you either believe in capitalism or you don't. Yea, subsidies have kept our food prices low. No doubt about it. Anyone who would try and argue that is a fool. My argument is, how much better would it be under perfect competition. Would prices rise in the short term, without a doubt.

A free market works, the good or service provided is irrelevant. If the need is present, people will find a way to produce it cost efficiently.

It's always comical to me, the same folks you see bitching on here about gov't programs are always the same ones who rush to defend whatever little slice a pie they get.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

At the end of the day, you either believe in capitalism or you don't. Yea, subsidies have kept our food prices low. No doubt about it. Anyone who would try and argue that is a fool. My argument is, how much better would it be under perfect competition. Would prices rise in the short term, without a doubt.

A free market works, the good or service provided is irrelevant. If the need is present, people will find a way to produce it cost efficiently.

It's always comical to me, the same folks you see bitching on here about gov't programs are always the same ones who rush to defend whatever little slice a pie they get.

BINGO TK. It can't be said any better.

US Manufactures need help in the form of local, state and national subsidies for survival in a global economy in which Asian and European producers are routinely subsidized.

The only manufacturers in America who can go without government support are those whose markets are so insignificant that they are not noticed by foreign producers.

There is nothing made in the United States that has to be made here............. that can’t be shipped in from some other country.

Farm subsidies have kept our food costs low and competitive since implemented.

I think lowest in developed nations as a % of income. Nobody bitchees much about that money our govt spends cause we all eat.

Shall we talk abiut national defense and the subsidies those companies receive?

And instead of spcific business lets discuss whole industries. Automotive, aerospace, defense education agriculture banking healthcare etc all heavily subsidized.

Lots of folks touched by govt funding outside of those that receive the entitlement payments.

The doc

and it's all welfare.

People who receive a benefit don't seem to be quite so capitalist or to care if it's constitutional so long as they receive a benefit. It's all garbage

Do you deduct your home mortgage interest or charitable donations when filing your taxes?

These go back to my original points: these subsidies are nothing more than mitigation for the damages that the law they were derived from caused. Home mortgage interests, charitable donations, etc... screw all that crap just tax EVERYONE and do away with the crap some politician cooked up in 1985 to try to "fix" something that they caused. And if you believe this heavily subsidized economy form of an "economy" is a good idea and is working, then you need to turn on the news. This crap works for a little while. Society changes and the laws that have been made are so hard to undo because so many comply with the rules because they have to. Just look at the healthcare bill, insurance companies are saying a lot of the mandates they will keep even if it gets repealed. Reason why? Because they work well or are profitable? No. Because they have spent so much capital in order to comply that it isn't cost effecient for them to go back to pre-Obamacare policies.

Farm subsidies have kept our food costs low and competitive since implemented.

Really? That's news to me. Groceries are not low in their cost where I shop. Subsidies aren't working anymore. They are outdated. A true free market farming industry would run circles around the current framework of the agricutural industry. All you have to do is take a look at ag schools like Mississippi State University to see that the technology and knowledge is there just WAITING to be implemented. Some of these idieas and philosophies that are still running things came from years after the industrial revolution. Think, with the technology and knowledge that farmers have nowadays what they could do, produce and conserve (habitat and ecology wise) with the knowledge we humans now have. It'd be limitless.
I think lowest in developed nations as a % of income. Nobody bitchees much about that money our govt spends cause we all eat.

This is true. Don't get it twisted, this is not- and I will refuse to take part if it becomes- a bash farmers discussion
Shall we talk abiut national defense and the subsidies those companies receive?

Yes we shall. Even out founding fathers believed that one of the few areas that federal government should be adamant about is national defense. And remember, President O is cutting and will continue to cut national defense funds. Just like aerospace, etc.
And instead of spcific business lets discuss whole industries. Automotive, aerospace, defense education agriculture banking healthcare etc all heavily subsidized.

To say the least! Thanks for naming all the examples of the types of industries that are not "businesses" anymore because for decades they have sold their souls to Sam. And look at where we ended up...FAILED industries.

Lots of folks touched by govt funding outside of those that receive the entitlement payments.

The doc

[hillhunter]

For the most part, fresh produce like we normally buy in the stores is not subsidized. However the processed food which contain corn, soybean, cotton, and wheat products may be. The reason I say may be is because most of these subsidies only take effect when prices reach below a certain level, which as far as beans, corn and wheat go has not happened for quite some time (Cotton bases are not part of this and a completely different issue). Many of these cotton bases and payments are going away pretty quickly anyway from what I understand. The only way you receive gov't money is by enrolling land into certain conservation programs. What we have trouble with is competing with Mexico and S. American countries for market share with fresh produce. They supply a cheaper product which often is not produced according to the same regulations U.S. Farmers must abide by.

The Ethanol Subsidy has successfully lifted demand for a product which was once used predominately as a food source, which was a huge mistake. Since this drought has hit the corn belt at record levels it would not surprise me one bit if some of the subsidies were lifted and some of the laws requiring percentages of ethanol in gasoline at least put on hold for a short time.

[hillhunter]

Can anyone tell me the first time the Federal Government allocated money to states as a result of a disaster? Hint, we have already debated this topic as well on here.

[the doctor]

Please don't take my post to be a defense of subsidies. Merely pointing out that the $ of the federal government have much farther reaches than most know.

the doc

[hillhunter]

I think the Fed Govt should shrink drastically, but doubt they ever will. Would love to see them cut entitlement programs across the board. The only dept in which I see we need major expansion is fraud enforcement. If they would contract with private entities to investigate fraud of our programs, from welfare to disability to tax evasion to crop insurance the country could save billions each year. The problem is almost every program was started with good intentions in mind, but abuse of the system is so easy its pathetic. It would be interesting to see how the country would respond if we did away with entitlements for just two years.... what the outcome would be.

[the doctor]

Wal mart stock would crash....crime would sky rocket

the doc

[hillhunter]

Wal mart stock would crash....crime would sky rocket

the doc

No doubt....