Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

[Anatidae]

We are still diliberating whether we should cut the nets off above the water line or let'em hang down 'to' the water line.

I remembered why I left the nets long - to keep the wind from blowing the part that hangs below the gunwale line (unwanted motion) that would call any attention to the blind, and give us away.

It's hard-enough to hide sometimes, but if you don't make the effort to get hidden, you can't expect to get feet-down fatheads at close range.

There are obvious drawbacks to that (like icing conditions and frozen nets) but I'd rather have them 'still' than 'flapping' in the breeze on windy days. I also continued the mesh backing that low.....to help weight the cerex down to eliminate 'flapping'. I would prefer to (if I'm going to use a grassy material on the blind) have grass from the gunwale down to the waterline and use local vegetation from there, up.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

Downcurrent during flood stage? They are a good motor, but they only see 33 mph with two guys when they are on a trailer.

You know what you're right, it's a total lie. And you're from Louisiana so that makes you the authority on the subject. Next time I get in the boat and I am thinking of Kris Schaumburg I will remember to take a picture of the GPS.

All I can say is go look up test results Phowler and owners have been posting up. 30 mph is not the exception for this rig, it is the norm. He has a jet kit in it which gives it a little more push, but even before then he was getting 31. It shouldn't be that hard to believe if you keep current with mud motors and mud boats. Either way, take it or leave it.

There are about 20 guys in south la that will make any boat u want out of alum. Also a guy in the northeast makes serious sneak boats

I'd be willing to bet I entertained at least 13 of them.

There are boat makers everywhere. It's insanse how easy the process of building a Kara Style layout boat is. There are hardcore groups who get off on making big water layout fiberglass boats (the ones that HAVE to work) like bird hunters get off on dogs. Those northern states are steeped in boating tradition, perhaps more so than anywhere else.

Champ, did you buy that rig? Those RiverHawk boats are sick. They're similiar but not the same as Gheenoe boats. They all have that Georgia, Florida style to them. There are several videos of folks running SD's of them on the internet. I know Copperhead had a video up of them running a 6.5 on what they called a flatback canoe, but it is really one of those RiverHawks or Gheenoes. They are some bad booty little back water rigs.

I came across this rig over here in TX. It has been put in the water 5 times. It looks dirty in the pics, but it was because it had been under the trees. The trailer, boat and an 8.8 Merc for $2500. Guy said it'd run like a scalded dog. His wife got sick with cancer right after they bought it and he hadn't used it since.

Those sneak boats look BA. That setup seems expensive though for a small boat. Glad y'all started this thread. Needed some ideas for my little boat.

I bout died when he told me what he paid for it. For a 14 foot boat? Nikka is youis for real?

I thought at first it must of been all the extra modding they have to do to turn it into a sneak boat. But all they're prices are a little proud.

I found this guy on the internet. His boat are 12 feet long. They are all welded 100 ga aluminum. They are of the sneak boat style and could easily be hidden and grassed up to lay down in. He wants 1700 shipped for them and said that folks have ran 15 hp outboards on them. After all this, he tells me that they are not in production right now and haven't been for two years. I was like WTF.

This guy was making this little crawfish skiff, smooth bottom mud hull, but when I called him he said he was no longer fabricating them. 12 foot long, 200 lbs. 100 ga aluminum for $1400.

Why in the hell would folks advertise something if they are not willing or ready to produce it is beyond me. It takes 5 minutes to go to your website and make the changes.

The bad thing is, as I told these two "manufacturers" is that the market is out there for these type rigs. Esepecially that Mud Mule in the second pic. I called and emailed various different boat manufacturers looking for a custom built 80-100 ga 14 foot round chined crawfish skiff. I had ONE manufacturer email me back. I understand the 18 foot rigs are bigger money, but dayum, at least email or return a fellas calls and tell him thanks but no thanks. If you ain't getting a $15,000 rig built they won't give you the time of day. And the bad thing is if a Mud Mule was being produced folks would buy the hell out of em.

The only thing that conventional mud motors on conventional mud boats do is get you to where other mud rigs are.

With that being said, I am extremely envious of said mud rigs. Especially Anatidae's.

you give me a dozen sticks of 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 3/16 angle and two sheets of .100 ga aluminum and i can build that boat in the second pic in a weekend in my shop. My design has a small hunt deck on the back to help make the room in hull more usefull, and it give the dog a place to sit.



That boat in the second picture is my ideal rig. the boat i am running now is as close as i can get with out going to a custom rig, plus i only paid $180 for my boat and trailer, but i did rebuild the trailer.

That particular boat teamed with a longtail with a 2:1 gear reduction will be sick in a 6hp or it would really rock and roll qith a 12hp. a copperhead on it would be the ulitmate back water rig.

JD,

I promise you, if you build one and can keep up with the demand you can make some money. And if you build one, call me so I can buy it. The market it itching for a rig like that to come out into production. Something all welded, light, and skiff style. I would have one right now, if I could've found one.

[champcaller]

no, they gave it to me actually.

his wife hated seeing it in their yard so he said i could have it if i came and got it. i happily obliged. the trolling motor pushes it descent but eventually i'd like to put a small mud motor on it and that sucker could go anywhere. i've even got a small trailer that fits it perfectly.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

[quote="Anatidae"][quote="Anatidae"]
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I have been looking at, and definitely over thinking, the camo pattern I want to put on my boat. Probably oxide dust green. Either way it isn't that big of an issue because I won't hardly ever be hunting out of the boat.

But one thing that strikes me about your picture of your blind is how light it is. I see blinds that look like a black dot among a forest of dead stuff. Winter means white, brown, light brown, white based colors- at least near swampy area, unless you're in green timber. That blind material, which we have as the backing on 2 of our blinds, is lighter colored than almost all the other camo patterns.

Here is a snip from a bird's eye view of a buck brush thicket.



The darkest spots in the picture are the water. One thing that sticks out is the green of the duck weed. I think that if I had the time and money, then the most effective pattern for the inside of a duck boat for my area would be a well matched rendition of the greens and browns in a duck weed pattern laid over a well matched color of the water. Maybe some reflections of the timber laid over a portion of it similiar to something like these reflections:



Because in that pic and standing next to the water, it looks brown and muddy colored. But all of the times I have gotten on satellite imagery, which is everyday with my job, the water is dark blue or black from the air.

So what I am saying, is some of this,



laid onto the side of the boat and "dotting" over the duck weed and dark colors inside the boat (see the first pic, all the light colors or grass and buckbrush are "dotting" the greens and blacks which are really the background) would be the ideal pattern. The key would be to finding that sweet spot where the buckbrush that is "dotting" the dark back ground was just light and just dark enough. So what I am saying is we need this guy:






I don't know how folks live without duck season...

[champcaller]

I would like to see someone make an aluminum pirogue/gear carrier than is really small and light that can be drug with gear in it and used to get in to cross deep sloughs and put out decoys. So many MS duck hunters could benefit from something like that.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

no, they gave it to me actually.

his wife hated seeing it in their yard so he said i could have it if i came and got it. i happily obliged. the trolling motor pushes it descent but eventually i'd like to put a small mud motor on it and that sucker could go anywhere. i've even got a small trailer that fits it perfectly.

You sir, are a blessed fellow. I looked hard at those boats. I told a fellow on here the other day who came up on a steal- you don't find the deals, they find you. I must not be holdin' my mouth right.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

One year, I seriously considered buying one of the high dollar puncture proof fishing tubes. If you think about it, it is truly the only way to be amphibious. I just didn't want to get laughed at if I decided to get the flippers too.

[champcaller]

no, they gave it to me actually.

his wife hated seeing it in their yard so he said i could have it if i came and got it. i happily obliged. the trolling motor pushes it descent but eventually i'd like to put a small mud motor on it and that sucker could go anywhere. i've even got a small trailer that fits it perfectly.

You sir, are a blessed fellow.

agreed.

[champcaller]

One year, I seriously considered buying one of the high dollar puncture proof fishing tubes. If you think about it, it is truly the only way to be amphibious. I just didn't want to get laughed at if I decided to get the flippers too.

we used an 18 wheeler tire tube (get em at most tire places) and used 3 inch web strapping to create a "V" to sit in. works perfect.

my first timber hunt my dad used one of those with a trash can lid flipped up side down for me to sit in. now that got some looks.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

One year, I seriously considered buying one of the high dollar puncture proof fishing tubes. If you think about it, it is truly the only way to be amphibious. I just didn't want to get laughed at if I decided to get the flippers too.

we used an 18 wheeler tire tube (get em at most tire places) and used 3 inch web strapping to create a "V" to sit in. works perfect.

my first timber hunt my dad used one of those with a trash can lid flipped up side down for me to sit in. now that got some looks.

The bad thing is, this day and age that would be grounds for DHS. And here you stand, a life long hunter.

Ole duckkiller can swim just fine, but not like a white person is supposed to. One time me him and that big som bitch in those pictures up yonder decided we would get some 18 wheeler tubes and go amphibious. Went and got 3 of em. Now granted this was that briar thicket type timber chit, stuff you needed a good Filson on to go through. Had a hunch this nice hole was back there with some water. We were right. But the high fives and hard work were really being over shadowed by the fact that we had one tube that was dead, and the other tube was not looking good. Duckkiller's tube was fine. By the time we got back to the main channel to cross to the 4 wheeler we had one tube left and her starboard side was rapidly going down. I wish I could patent the look and duckkiller's face when he was coming across that channel, which was in rapid fall, in a half inflated tire tube.

[jdbuckshot]

I ran a 1842 go-devil with a 25 hp longtail for a couple years when i guided in MO/KS/OK. i hated the boat. it was so freaking heavy that you could only put it in at a ramp.

i would rather have two 14' 150lb skiffs with 6hp longtails than one big boat.

i normally hunt solo anyway, im one of those who likes my stuff a certain way.

i would love a rig with two of these boats powered by a longtail or short tail, that would put two or three guys anywhere they wanted to go in the back water.

anymore i use my boat more for deer hunting than anything else, so i do need to be able to carry an extra 200lbs out if neccesary.



i want a boat i can put on a boat dolly and roll 1/4 mile to the buck brush thicket or cyress swamp that has no ramp or road acess.


im about to start shopping for a spool gun for my Lincoln.

[kris Schaumburg]

Downcurrent during flood stage? They are a good motor, but they only see 33 mph with two guys when they are on a trailer.

You know what you're right, it's a total lie. And you're from Louisiana so that makes you the authority on the subject. Next time I get in the boat and I am thinking of Kris Schaumburg I will remember to take a picture of the GPS.

All I can say is go look up test results Phowler and owners have been posting up. 30 mph is not the exception for this rig, it is the norm. He has a jet kit in it which gives it a little more push, but even before then he was getting 31. It shouldn't be that hard to believe if you keep current with mud motors and mud boats. Either way, take it or leave it.
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Didn't mean to start a war, I am actually interested. Please do document that rig somehow, is that average speed or max speed ? I have been in exchanges with the owners of both copperhead and phowler and they both told me around 22-25mph for that exact setup. I really like the little rigs, they don't fit my needs at all, but they are cool. I was just stating what i've seen from the 3 or 4 of them that i've been associated with. You are welcome to come down and follow one of my rigs around and catch some redfish in the marsh.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

Didn't mean to start a war, I am actually interested. Please do document that rig somehow, is that average speed or max speed ? I have been in exchanges with the owners of both copperhead and phowler and they both told me around 22-25mph for that exact setup. I really like the little rigs, they don't fit my needs at all, but they are cool. I was just stating what i've seen from the 3 or 4 of them that i've been associated with. You are welcome to come down and follow one of my rigs around and catch some redfish in the marsh.

No war here padna. I was actually in a good mood, playing around. Thought I was coming home to Mississippi. Unfortunately chitty, lazy, sorry, subcontractors have ruined that.

I don't know maybe they are under-advertising their speeds. When we went down to buy his motor we went out and ran them for awhile. I got in the boat with Josh, the owners son, who was running the same exact rig except he was running an R&D phase motor with a Kholer on it. They were looking at it because of the lower idle speeds that the Kholer offers with a little more top end. We were running 31 with me him and my dog in there, and the kholer is a heavier engine. One thing I can assure you of, idle speed is damn near planing speed on this rig with the Briggs. They put a clutch on his motor so trailering is a lot less of a headache.

Next time you talk to Gil or Josh ask them about Austin Reed as their R&D department.

Here are a couple videos of him running it on really hard bottom when he first got it. It is on a 1542 grizzly semi-v with a washboard hull, a deck, double floor, full bench- waaaay heavier than the boat it is on now. Not to mention all the technicalities of the sub-par performance of mm's on semi-v's. He was getting 21 in this raggedy rig with 2 guys and tons of random chit lying around. With just him he was getting 26-27.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8rsgkFS4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7XKaCVhAd4


And don't think I want show up at your doorstep with my Zebco in hand!

[DUCK-HUNT]

Although I dont own a big rig I do own or have owned a couple of small ones, and follow the mud motors pretty close. When you threw 33mph out there with 2 guys in that little rig (when i say little a 36" bottom) I wanted to call BS immediately. The wider the hull the better load carrying ability u have. I did some digging but could find no speeds with the 1436 prowler and 18hp so i sent Paul an email....

This is what I got from him:

The 14 with 18 copperhead will run 24-27 mph one man depending on condition, two men 21-23 mph, three men 17-20 mph.

We have put four in the boat (not legel) and it still planned and ran 16.5 mph.

^^^^^


Straight out the man's mouth that builds them. Mid 20's is stout (scary fast) no doubt but you claimed speeds 10mph faster than the man that builds em and test them. I am currently looking at an 18hp real hard.....

[greenheadgrimreaper]

I am going to dog cuss the chit out of ya'll when I get in that boat next time to take a pic or vid of the gps. DOG CUSS YOU!