Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby greenheadgrimreaper » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:25 am

I thought the same thing about the rope. But those times where you are leaning a longtail way far out sometime the grab bar doesn't have quite enough reach. But it would be sketchy. Real sketchy. But I could imagine you'd look like Mr. Universe after a full duck season of doing it.

Randy I thought about welding the grab bar, but I am scared to get it tigged on because there is nothing there but the floor. What I drew up is the final design of the prototype that is on my boat now. The first pic is the assembly I am going to weld up. The second pic shows where it'll be in the boat. The grab bar I have now is on the back side of the second seat and it is too close. I am going to put it on the front side. Also the angle iron will be longer across the seat to distribute the force more evenly. The larger pipe will be welded to the angle iron and bolted onto the seat as one unit. I want the female pipe to be flush so if the grab bar is out you can still use the seat. I aim to weld it up tight enough so no pins are required for removal, or attempt to. I never put any upward pressure on my grab bar, but if I feel the need for pins to be inserted I will. I will just have to see. I am not working with much to attach to, and the largest most stable point near my driving location is that seat. Luckily, it is the seat least used in the boat. I think it will be plenty stout with the female pipe running almost to the floor. I am going to weld up the bottom of the female pipe to keep the male pipe from scraping the bottom of the hull. I hope it works because I don't feel comfortable getting the thin ga aluminum welded on. I may have to rig up some sort of plate and weld the bottom of the female pipes to it then screw the plate down to the ribs. I just don't want to add too much extra weight as I have to be able to slide this rig off of a trailer if need be.

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I have a 9 hp MB longtail on it now so I have gotten a few hours of stick time to decide what I want. The 9 hp is a dude in that boat with me. It'll run right at 13. Which is fine speeds for a longtail. But what I want is slow speed "umph" to get up and over stuff, and that 9 hp on that long, skinny, 110lb hull is the best match out there, save a custom made skiff. When I put my buddy who is 6'8" 290 lbs, Angus who is 80, a full yeti and various other items it ran...right at 13 mph. Those hulls are just weird to the everyday man like me familiar with bateaus and planing hulls. I will say one thing- the rig slid off of stumps, cypress knees, grass, anything. My girlfriend's brother has a 14 foot Phowler Prowler with an 18 hp copperhead that'll run like a scalded dog, 33 mph with me and him in there. And it is a small, light rig. He went everywhere I did, but with much more trouble due to the low water conditions and the stumps. I hardly ever got over idle and when going over large beaver dams I'd shower down and it's scoot right over. It does way better than the 13 hp I had on a 1436. That dude is made for the swamp. And just like a skiff, it made cutting through the buck brush thickets and tupelo brakes a much more enjoyable experience, if it ever has been. I am going to use some of your ideas to keep the floor space clean, which is hard to do in a small rig. I don't plan on hunting out of it, but we are investing in a couple of those putt hut blinds and are hoping they will make life easier in the thicket.

The 100 lb motor doesn't even budge the transom, which is 25 inches wide. But the main problem is the round chines coupled with the heavier motor make the rig slide at idle speeds. And the kicker is idle speed in that rig is pretty much planing speed for a SB which is technically around 6 mph. And also the motor is not easily removeable like some of the other smaller motors.

With that being said I am going to sell the motor and go even lighter. I have several places that will require me to remove the rig from the trailer and slide in. Also in the swamp, for the majority of the year, the water level is down below the low water crossings. At most times of the year you would have to pull your rig up and over 3 feet high chert gravel roads. This is good news if we hunt holes where access is walk in only because boats can't get over them. But bad news when the walk in is as deltadukman put it on another thread, a death march.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby Anatidae » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:18 pm

Looks good - makes good sense.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby jdbuckshot » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:46 pm

The Grab bar looks good.

i have an old boat similar to the one you have, mine is an old v- hull, but its pretty flat on the bottem and has rounded chines. i had an 11hp longtail on it, and it was a go getter. 13mph with two guys and gear.

i could run it through a wall of buck brush with that pointed nose, and it did great over logs and vegitation.


i ran a homemade longtail and it was very easy to get on an off the transom, if you need some ideas on the design, i have some input. i made it to where the transome bracket stayed on the boat, and the motor just lifted off.

I also had challanges with my grab bar, i fabbed this up real quick and i loved it. it bolts to the side wall, while it does have some flex from side to side, if you are near a cross member or bench seat, it is very rigid.

Here's a couple of pics

you can some what see the grab bar hear. i have it off right now for fishing, but i can take some pics of it.

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this is the best one i have of the transome mount

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you can see the bottom of the mount here

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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby greenheadgrimreaper » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:13 pm

That's what I want for taking the motor on and off the boat JD. If you get a chance please snap some more pics of the grab bar and motor mount. I'd like to get some ideas. I may be able to rig up some type of strut on the gunwale to attach something like that to. Irregardless of whether or not I sell the motor, I have to figure something out where I can take the motor on and off.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby jdbuckshot » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:22 pm

greenheadgrimreaper wrote:That's what I want for taking the motor on and off the boat JD. If you get a chance please snap some more pics of the grab bar and motor mount. I'd like to get some ideas. I may be able to rig up some type of strut on the gunwale to attach something like that to. Irregardless of whether or not I sell the motor, I have to figure something out where I can take the motor on and off.

i don't have anymore pics of the motor, i sold it. It is just a normal style transom clamp except it has a 1" pipe welded on on the back. the tilt and swivle bracket is attached to the motor, and it has a piece of 3/4" pipe welded to the tilt/swivle and it just drops into the 1" pipe.

if the pitch is not quite right, i just use another piece of 1" pipe as a bushing. if the weight is to far back just turn the transome mount around and it put the motor about 4" more forward.


you could build a similar grab bar and just use two bolts and bolt it to the gunwale, and make also bolt it to the seat. if you bolt it in three axis it aint gong to move any.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby RiverDuck » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:41 am

greenheadgrimreaper wrote: My girlfriend's brother has a 14 foot Phowler Prowler with an 18 hp copperhead that'll run like a scalded dog, 33 mph with me and him in there. And it is a small, light rig.
What yall runnin on, jet fuel? :shock:
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby kris Schaumburg » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 am

if i go redfishing this weekend, i'll take pictures of my homemade push pole.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby greenheadgrimreaper » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:23 pm

RiverDuck wrote:
greenheadgrimreaper wrote: My girlfriend's brother has a 14 foot Phowler Prowler with an 18 hp copperhead that'll run like a scalded dog, 33 mph with me and him in there. And it is a small, light rig.
What yall runnin on, jet fuel? :shock:
Nope, regular old gas. 31 in the deep and 33 in the shallows, he weighs about 120 I weigh 200. The hull weighs 200. Those speeds are not uncommon at all with this setup.

I'll put it to you this way- even with two guys in his boat he will still smoke another buddy's $25,000 18x60 PD boat and 36hp Pro-Drive rig. If it is just him, he will walk off and leave him.

Copperhead and Phowler are turning some heads- and have been for awhile. They are well respected by the hard-nosed Pro-Drive and Gatortail fans, just search them over at mudmotortalk. Copperhead has the highest hp per pound ratio in the industry for their size surface drives. They have made their innovations their own. They teamed up with Phowler and have been tweaking changes the last couple of years. He has the 14' prowler: http://phowlerboatcompany.com/?page_id=349. We haven't had a chance to hunt out of it yet, but by all indications it is going to be a killer.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby Natty » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:01 pm

Those sneak boats look BA. That setup seems expensive though for a small boat. Glad y'all started this thread. Needed some ideas for my little boat.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby greenheadgrimreaper » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:11 pm

Natty wrote:Those sneak boats look BA. That setup seems expensive though for a small boat. Glad y'all started this thread. Needed some ideas for my little boat.
I bout died when he told me what he paid for it. For a 14 foot boat? Nikka is youis for real?

I thought at first it must of been all the extra modding they have to do to turn it into a sneak boat. But all they're prices are a little proud.

I found this guy on the internet. His boat are 12 feet long. They are all welded 100 ga aluminum. They are of the sneak boat style and could easily be hidden and grassed up to lay down in. He wants 1700 shipped for them and said that folks have ran 15 hp outboards on them. After all this, he tells me that they are not in production right now and haven't been for two years. I was like WTF. Image

This guy was making this little crawfish skiff, smooth bottom mud hull, but when I called him he said he was no longer fabricating them. 12 foot long, 200 lbs. 100 ga aluminum for $1400. Image

Why in the hell would folks advertise something if they are not willing or ready to produce it is beyond me. It takes 5 minutes to go to your website and make the changes.

The bad thing is, as I told these two "manufacturers" is that the market is out there for these type rigs. Esepecially that Mud Mule in the second pic. I called and emailed various different boat manufacturers looking for a custom built 80-100 ga 14 foot round chined crawfish skiff. I had ONE manufacturer email me back. I understand the 18 foot rigs are bigger money, but dayum, at least email or return a fellas calls and tell him thanks but no thanks. If you ain't getting a $15,000 rig built they won't give you the time of day. And the bad thing is if a Mud Mule was being produced folks would buy the hell out of em.

The only thing that conventional mud motors on conventional mud boats do is get you to where other mud rigs are.

With that being said, I am extremely envious of said mud rigs. Especially Anatidae's.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby Anatidae » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:30 pm

Thanks - but it's Anne's (Back!) boat - I just maintain it, rig it, and drive it. Got bruises to prove it. 'Still learning how to drive it - and having fun (except when docking or maneuvering it).
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby champcaller » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:40 pm

My neighbors came by and asked if I would take this little boat off their hands and was I pumped when they showed me.

River Hawk that I think is about 13' or so.

This will be a great do all little boat with a small motor on it.

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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby kris Schaumburg » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:08 pm

There are about 20 guys in south la that will make any boat u want out of alum. Also a guy in the northeast makes serious sneak boats
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby jdbuckshot » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:42 am

greenheadgrimreaper wrote:
Natty wrote:Those sneak boats look BA. That setup seems expensive though for a small boat. Glad y'all started this thread. Needed some ideas for my little boat.
I bout died when he told me what he paid for it. For a 14 foot boat? Nikka is youis for real?

I thought at first it must of been all the extra modding they have to do to turn it into a sneak boat. But all they're prices are a little proud.

I found this guy on the internet. His boat are 12 feet long. They are all welded 100 ga aluminum. They are of the sneak boat style and could easily be hidden and grassed up to lay down in. He wants 1700 shipped for them and said that folks have ran 15 hp outboards on them. After all this, he tells me that they are not in production right now and haven't been for two years. I was like WTF. Image

This guy was making this little crawfish skiff, smooth bottom mud hull, but when I called him he said he was no longer fabricating them. 12 foot long, 200 lbs. 100 ga aluminum for $1400. Image

Why in the hell would folks advertise something if they are not willing or ready to produce it is beyond me. It takes 5 minutes to go to your website and make the changes.

The bad thing is, as I told these two "manufacturers" is that the market is out there for these type rigs. Esepecially that Mud Mule in the second pic. I called and emailed various different boat manufacturers looking for a custom built 80-100 ga 14 foot round chined crawfish skiff. I had ONE manufacturer email me back. I understand the 18 foot rigs are bigger money, but dayum, at least email or return a fellas calls and tell him thanks but no thanks. If you ain't getting a $15,000 rig built they won't give you the time of day. And the bad thing is if a Mud Mule was being produced folks would buy the hell out of em.

The only thing that conventional mud motors on conventional mud boats do is get you to where other mud rigs are.

With that being said, I am extremely envious of said mud rigs. Especially Anatidae's.

you give me a dozen sticks of 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 3/16 angle and two sheets of .100 ga aluminum and i can build that boat in the second pic in a weekend in my shop. My design has a small hunt deck on the back to help make the room in hull more usefull, and it give the dog a place to sit.



That boat in the second picture is my ideal rig. the boat i am running now is as close as i can get with out going to a custom rig, plus i only paid $180 for my boat and trailer, but i did rebuild the trailer.

That particular boat teamed with a longtail with a 2:1 gear reduction will be sick in a 6hp or it would really rock and roll qith a 12hp. a copperhead on it would be the ulitmate back water rig.
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Re: Idea for Push Pole, Spud Pole & Paddle Storage

Postby kris Schaumburg » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:27 am

greenheadgrimreaper wrote:
RiverDuck wrote:
greenheadgrimreaper wrote: My girlfriend's brother has a 14 foot Phowler Prowler with an 18 hp copperhead that'll run like a scalded dog, 33 mph with me and him in there. And it is a small, light rig.
What yall runnin on, jet fuel? :shock:
Nope, regular old gas. 31 in the deep and 33 in the shallows, he weighs about 120 I weigh 200. The hull weighs 200. Those speeds are not uncommon at all with this setup.

I'll put it to you this way- even with two guys in his boat he will still smoke another buddy's $25,000 18x60 PD boat and 36hp Pro-Drive rig. If it is just him, he will walk off and leave him.

Copperhead and Phowler are turning some heads- and have been for awhile. They are well respected by the hard-nosed Pro-Drive and Gatortail fans, just search them over at mudmotortalk. Copperhead has the highest hp per pound ratio in the industry for their size surface drives. They have made their innovations their own. They teamed up with Phowler and have been tweaking changes the last couple of years. He has the 14' prowler: http://phowlerboatcompany.com/?page_id=349. We haven't had a chance to hunt out of it yet, but by all indications it is going to be a killer.
Downcurrent during flood stage? They are a good motor, but they only see 33 mph with two guys when they are on a trailer.

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