Land and Lodges

[ACEINTHEHOLE]

Just curious – is a magazine like this something you guys would support? I ask because I'm considering doing something similar. Unlike Cindy, I have the resources to make it happen without increasing my current overhead. Because I operate a newspaper I already employ writers, editors, designers, etc... I'm located in north Alabama, but the concept translates throughout the south.

Just curious on your thoughts. Is it something you would pay for? How much is a fair price for a 6x per year magazine?

Absolutely. I hate it when people say they will just start up an internet magazine. I'd rather sit down with a good PAPER magazine and sift through it than scroll through an internet mag any day. I want something that is well made - ie, not cheap paper, that also looks good sitting on my coffee table and I can browse through multiple times at my will without having to go get the damn ipad or computer. An internet mag seems cheap to me. Anyone can write an article and post it on the web, but it seems more substantial when you see something in print.

I agree. I'd pay a premium subscription for a similar magazine with quality editorial, photography and layout.

+1 I was really hoping Lands and Lodges was going to turn into more than a quarterly.

[donia]

^^^i told my wife about the pineapples and she didn't believe me...said it was just as much "tall tale" as is finding a 'squatch!

Don't know a whole lot about Bo Bounds but he does not come across as being a good ole country boy. May be wrong but I don't think you will see him skinning a buck or running a trot line. Can't do that wearing loafers and cuff links. His version of the y'all lifestyle may be a little different than ours.

you are correct...he is not a country boy, nor has he probably ever even witnessed a carcass being dressed out (and most likely has no urge to).

wasn't trying to start a "bo down"...i consider him a friend, despite is aires

[tuscaloosahunter]

Thanks for the response. Also, what type of content would you like to see? Hyper-local? State? Regional? What type of features? How to? Recipes? Homes?

I ask that question because I subscribe to several magazines that, while I'm interested in the general topic, I get very little content that applies to me. For instance, I get Fly Fisherman magazine. Because I live east of the Rockies most of my fly fishing is done in East Tennessee, North Georgia and Western North Carolina. Of the 12 issues I receive, only about 2 of them will have anything that's really pertinent to my specific interest in fly fishing.

I suppose as long as you keep it state/region specific that most of the content would apply to most people. Deer hunting in Alabama isn't much different than deer hunting in Mississippi. Fly fishing in Colorado is much different than fly fishing in East Tennessee.

[B.M.F.T.]

It's just advertising. You mention a cigar shop, steak house, clothing, vacations, etc and he just trades it out. That is his business and he may have let it go to his head. He wouldn't be doing all of that if he didn't trade out advertising for the goods. Those little radio bumps he does just adds up to the his "lifestyle". No he hasn't been around dead animals or potted meat and probably never will.

[Chuckle12]

Deep southern sporting life... from duck hunting, deer & hog hunting, off shore fishing out of the mouth of the MS, marsh fishing, cast & blast in S LA, fly fishing in TN & AR, bass fishing in Florida, hog hunting in the Florida panhandle & Georgia. Nice lodges across the deep south, occasional articles about elk hunting in New Mexico, sea duck hunting in Alaska, African plains game, S America duck/dove/perdiz/dorado, fly fishing in Patagonia. Articles about Nash Buckingham, historical articles about duck/turkey calls & makers, the angel tree in SC. I'd lay off too much of the how-to's. Sometimes they can come off cheap and condescending. Recipes are always good, even a consistent "chef's corner" highlighting certain recipes or good restaraunts around the region. Reader's pics are good too. I may not do all of these things, but I enjoy reading about them. MS Land & Lodges had a great concept, but not enough backing and apparently defintiely lacking in leadership. IMO she also pigeon-holed herself to mainly MS stuff. Nobody from GA or SC wants to read a mag featuring just MS. That in itself cripples the potential subscription base, it would never grow past MS and maybe the border states. Also, some of her stuff came out a little to "ad-like", meaning that all her features seemed to be driven more by advertising for a specific person or business rather than a true article.

[southdeltan]

Thanks for the response. Also, what type of content would you like to see? Hyper-local? State? Regional? What type of features? How to? Recipes? Homes?

I ask that question because I subscribe to several magazines that, while I'm interested in the general topic, I get very little content that applies to me. For instance, I get Fly Fisherman magazine. Because I live east of the Rockies most of my fly fishing is done in East Tennessee, North Georgia and Western North Carolina. Of the 12 issues I receive, only about 2 of them will have anything that's really pertinent to my specific interest in fly fishing.

I suppose as long as you keep it state/region specific that most of the content would apply to most people. Deer hunting in Alabama isn't much different than deer hunting in Mississippi. Fly fishing in Colorado is much different than fly fishing in East Tennessee.

I wasn't really familiar with the Land and Lodges magazine. How was it similar/different from Guns & Gardens ? My wife has mentioned subscribing to it, it looks interesting.

[farmerc83]

Also, some of her stuff came out a little to "ad-like", meaning that all her features seemed to be driven more by advertising for a specific person or business rather than a true article.

Thought that, too. It almost came across like the featured person had paid for an ad, then an extra fee to be featured. This is in no way knocking the people featured, just the way it was put together.

[Chuckle12]

I wasn't really familiar with the Land and Lodges magazine. How was it similar/different from Guns & Gardens ? My wife has mentioned subscribing to it, it looks interesting.

More guns, less gardens. G&G is good to though.

[Double R 2]

What appeals to me is the "beyond the hunt or how to" of the sporting lifestyle that LL attempted to acheive under certain and other editors. The full context: camphouses (not just luxurious, but quaint and personal), recipes, crafts, tales, sporting artifacts, and not just Mississippi but more regional in scope to include, perhaps, travel to other places - like many of us do; if not to Argentina, then certainly to domestic sporting destinations. And there's a ton of folks that can tell a great story that don't have a printed voice because publishing business is a close-knit institution - to the point that too many regular contributors read like canned regurgitations. The few magazine stories that I read are as far removed from protypical barbershop hunting fodder as can be imagined, and seems like most that embraced the first couple issue LL also liked seeing and reading contributions that were creatively unique. Gray's Sporting journal was once popular, at my house anyway, for "in the moment" photography and extremely well-written stories (beyond teh 4th grade level) that were only remotely hinged on actual hunting, but were nonetheless connected. Ran across so many great stories - like the written story of the horse-riding doctor at turn of the century near Tutwiler, MS, who's dad killed 19 panthers and countless bears, or the folks that kayaked down the Mississippi River from Clarkasdale during the recent great flood, or guy that makes beautiful knives as a tribute to his deceased wife, or the dog that showed up at a camp with a scaup in his mouth having chased it miles down the Mississippi River and become seperated from its owner, or growing up duck hunting at the old mule pen (I think it's called) that's now the site of upscale housing in the Metro area, the old stove in teh woods where the original tent camp was located generations ago, etc., etc., etc. As one person said, it was great to be made to feel by reading that you were among friends after the hunt, sipping whiskey around the camp fire instead of being talked to like you'd never held a shotgun, killed a duck or ever driven off a paved road.

[tuscaloosahunter]

Well said. I imagine any publication that achieves what you reference here will be successful. All it takes to be successful in ventures like this is giving people compelling content they can't get anywhere else. I've always thought the story behind the hunt was much more interesting than the actual hunt itself. I'm going to try to post a copy of an outdoors story we did in my magazine recently. It may be too large, though.

What appeals to me is the "beyond the hunt or how to" of the sporting lifestyle that LL attempted to acheive under certain and other editors. The full context: camphouses (not just luxurious, but quaint and personal), recipes, crafts, tales, sporting artifacts, and not just Mississippi but more regional in scope to include, perhaps, travel to other places - like many of us do; if not to Argentina, then certainly to domestic sporting destinations. And there's a ton of folks that can tell a great story that don't have a printed voice because publishing business is a close-knit institution - to the point that too many regular contributors read like canned regurgitations. The few magazine stories that I read are as far removed from protypical barbershop hunting fodder as can be imagined, and seems like most that embraced the first couple issue LL also liked seeing and reading contributions that were creatively unique. Gray's Sporting journal was once popular, at my house anyway, for "in the moment" photography and extremely well-written stories (beyond teh 4th grade level) that were only remotely hinged on actual hunting, but were nonetheless connected. Ran across so many great stories - like the written story of the horse-riding doctor at turn of the century near Tutwiler, MS, who's dad killed 19 panthers and countless bears, or the folks that kayaked down the Mississippi River from Clarkasdale during the recent great flood, or guy that makes beautiful knives as a tribute to his deceased wife, or the dog that showed up at a camp with a scaup in his mouth having chased it miles down the Mississippi River and become seperated from its owner, or growing up duck hunting at the old mule pen (I think it's called) that's now the site of upscale housing in the Metro area, the old stove in teh woods where the original tent camp was located generations ago, etc., etc., etc. As one person said, it was great to be made to feel by reading that you were among friends after the hunt, sipping whiskey around the camp fire instead of being talked to like you'd never held a shotgun, killed a duck or ever driven off a paved road.

[kris Schaumburg]

Deep southern sporting life... from duck hunting, deer & hog hunting, off shore fishing out of the mouth of the MS, marsh fishing, cast & blast in S LA, fly fishing in TN & AR, bass fishing in Florida, hog hunting in the Florida panhandle & Georgia. Nice lodges across the deep south, occasional articles about elk hunting in New Mexico, sea duck hunting in Alaska, African plains game, S America duck/dove/perdiz/dorado, fly fishing in Patagonia. Articles about Nash Buckingham, historical articles about duck/turkey calls & makers, the angel tree in SC. I'd lay off too much of the how-to's. Sometimes they can come off cheap and condescending. Recipes are always good, even a consistent "chef's corner" highlighting certain recipes or good restaraunts around the region. Reader's pics are good too. I may not do all of these things, but I enjoy reading about them. MS Land & Lodges had a great concept, but not enough backing and apparently defintiely lacking in leadership. IMO she also pigeon-holed herself to mainly MS stuff. Nobody from GA or SC wants to read a mag featuring just MS. That in itself cripples the potential subscription base, it would never grow past MS and maybe the border states. Also, some of her stuff came out a little to "ad-like", meaning that all her features seemed to be driven more by advertising for a specific person or business rather than a true article.

You been reading my diaries??

The wave of the future is online magazines that feature a variety of articles from different sources complied based upon your tastes and delivered to your mobile device. Mine would consist of upland bird articles/national parks, inshore and offshore saltwater fishing, fj 40 related articles, a bit of workout and cross training, soul food recipes, great american road trips, and anything boykin related.


Gator said he gets one on young boys, anything jonas brothers or bieber related, yorkies, men's gromming, "Metro", skinny jeans, and foot fetishes.

[kris Schaumburg]

L&L was doomed from the get go. Too narrow of a spectrum and target base. Nice concept, and would have been a great monthly section in a broader regional magazine. For example, adding state by state features to Garden and Gun.

[cbakerf81]

I know land and lodges has all our addresses and probably will be sending full refunds anytime.

[farmerc83]

Cool post Ramsey. The place you are thinking of is Mule Jail and is still a fishing camp based around an oxbow lake of the Pearl River east of where County Line Rd intersects Old Canton. The actual camp sits north/northeast of the Jackson Country Club course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_Jail

http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.mic ... CBEQ8gEwAA

[eSJay]

^^^i told my wife about the pineapples and she didn't believe me...said it was just as much "tall tale" as is finding a 'squatch!

Cal - it's real brotha.....we have "friends" that live there. been there, done that, got the shirt.