River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

[Trappey]

Heard from someone who was over at Donaldson Point in 73 and said that there was only about two big ridge tops sticking out. Got a few inches in my bottom bedroom over there in 08 but looking like now atleast up to the floor in my living room, maybe more!

[dukluk]

This flood could affect lands OUTSIDE the levees, too....imagine what the delta will look like, if all of the bayous, rivers, and streams are already backed outta their banks from the River flooding, THEN, another 5-6 inches of rain falls....no where for it to go, except spread across the delta.

[Deltaquack]

How are the "big" camps like Miller Point, Concordia, Merigold, Catfish, etc. affected by water this high? I know that some camps are higher than others. I know that Catfish even has million dollar homes overlooked the river...I wonder if water gets into those homes?

Merigold should still have some land out of the water.......I don't know how much though.......Catfish will as well. There will be around 10 or so at Merigold that won't have water in them. Catfish has some nice cabins on the river but nothing in the million dollar range. They will have water in most of them at the projected height. Most cabins built after 73 are 1-5 feet above the 73 flood. So if some went with 5 above........they may get lucky.

My club, Rosedale, will be completely under 10 feet or more. The park and riverton to the north will be as well. Buelah Island, Merigold, Catfish, Donaldson all have some high bluffs that will stay dry i think. All of 27 behind the levee and huntington point will go under.

Lots of friends moving out of their cabins today. These are ones that didnt flood in 08 but were close. Its gonna effect the majority of your older cabins for sure. Its gonna be close for you huh Deltaquack?

I looked last night at the elevation numbers that Eley Engineering shot years back for all the cabins. Mine was listed at 48.9. I don't know if that is the bottom of the floor joists or to my actual floor.

[big gumbo]

A.G. Koster files suit telling Corps of Engineers not to breach levee
by Jessica Machetta on April 26, 2011

in Crime & Courts,Environment & Conservation,Fires/Accidents/Disasters,Flood,Politics & Government

Attorney General Chris Koster is going to federal court to block plans to open a Mississippi River levee in southeast Missouri.

Koster wants a court order telling the Corps of Engineers not to breach the Birds Point Levee, a 35-mile long levee between Birds Point and New Madrid County. The state says breaching the levee will flood more than 100,000 acres and will affect hundreds of Missourians.

The Attorney General’s Office says the suit will be filed at 1 p.m., which is also when the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers-Memphis is set to meet with the Mississippi River Commission to make a decision whether to blow out the levee.


Background:

The earthen levee is 34 miles long and ranges from 1,500 feet to 11 miles wide. It was aurthorized to be built in 1928.

A low spot was built in the levee at Birds Point, which is just downriver from Cairo, Ill, so that when the rivers flooded, the water would overtop the levee, causing it to fail, so that about a fifth of the river flow would be diverted through the New Madrid Floodway. A 1,500 foot wide gap in the levee system just north of New Madrid would allow the water in the floodway to rejoin the Mississippi River, so that most of the Mississippi and Ohio River flood water would bypass the narrow section of the river, sparing the adjacent farming regions.

However, it was soon discovered that the levee at Birds Point would not give way, forcing the Corps of Engineers to blow the levee with explosives. A second problem with the plan is that the outlet near New Madrid allows water from smaller floods to flow backwards into the floodway, flooding the farmland in the area.

[Faithful Retrievers]

Thats the park at Caruthersville. When human life is at risk it is as simple as free fertilizer. All that built an own land in the area behind that levee know the risk. I deal with alot of farmers and alot of ground behind the levee. By the time it is gone they can still make a good bean crop and a little late plant money. That was designed for that purpose and has been used once. The owners were compensated at that time an advised not to rebuild.

[Cotten]

http://testwater.weather.gov/ahps2/cres ... gage=vckm6

Historical Crests for Mississippi River at Vicksburg

(1) 56.20 ft on 05/04/1927
(2) 53.20 ft on 02/21/1937
(3) 52.80 ft on 06/06/1929
(4) 52.50 ft on 04/28/1922
(5) 51.60 ft on 05/13/1973
(6) 51.50 ft on 02/15/1916
(7) 51.00 ft on 04/20/2008

[BR549]

This flood could affect lands OUTSIDE the levees, too....imagine what the delta will look like, if all of the bayous, rivers, and streams are already backed outta their banks from the River flooding, THEN, another 5-6 inches of rain falls....no where for it to go, except spread across the delta.

UHHHH we are inside the levees The river is OUTSIDE the levees! Yea I would say it's definately going to effect all lands outside the levee!

Most everything in the south delta is getting some water on it now. Appx 87 ft MSL at the south end now. Theres prolly already 100k plus acres under water in the south delta now.

Now as far as you people trying to guess wether or not a certian river stage MIGHT get you or not why dont you simply have your elevations shot? No guessing then. 48 fett on and old AR City guage 3 years ago I can bet you won't be the same today! Use their conversion factors to find out the MSL levels for your area then you will know.


EX: Helena 0 nav is 141.7
take that figure then add it to the projected crest and you have the elevation in MSL that it will cover or reach.
AR City is now 96.7
Greenville is 74.9
Vicksburg is 46.2

So if you are in the Greenville area say on Woodstock and Greenvill is expecting a 60 ft river then everything under 140ft land elevation in that vicinity will be under water! Don't think there is much land on any of those islands that high!

[Wingman]

Thats the park at Caruthersville. When human life is at risk it is as simple as free fertilizer. All that built an own land in the area behind that levee know the risk. I deal with alot of farmers and alot of ground behind the levee. By the time it is gone they can still make a good bean crop and a little late plant money. That was designed for that purpose and has been used once. The owners were compensated at that time an advised not to rebuild.

I understand your point but your analogy is wrong. And I would be willing to bet all those human lives are humans living in the flood zones. They know, like I do, that choosing to live in the flood plain has its consequences. Either way it goes, somebody's property is gonna be ruined.

I got an email that said the Steele Bayou gates were closed today. The bathtub has been plugged.

[Faithful Retrievers]

negative, my home is not in so called flood plain all though part of town is. If it tops the levee it will effect my home and others. When you are comparing flooding row crop land property to peoples homes there is no comparison. Especially when that ground has not been planted or worked. The analogy may have not been correct, but they have lost nothing when others have everything to loose. So what if they are a month late planting but neighborhoods are saved. The meeting today basically stated that they will wait till Cairo stage is at 60 before they implement their plan, which I am afraid will be a moot point at the time as the area is desinged to back fill in by that point. I understand that it may deposit sand which would be dam near irreversiable, but its going to breach other places by that point. We are all in unchartered waters at this point and its a little beyond nerve racking.

[huntersmky]

Mille, is yalls new camp going to make it ok or will it be flooded?

[Wingman]

If your house ain't in the hills, it's in the flood plain. I agree with you that houses are more important than dirt. My problem with flood control is that people have been lulled into a false sense of security into building their homes in flood prone areas then expect government rescue when nature does what it has been doing for eons. Hopefully no lives will be lost in the coming weeks.

[quack_a_tack]

Spoke with a good friend of mine who has a camp in island 66, they will have at least 20 cabins with water in them, if the forecast holds true maybe more. I have to agree with ole faithful flood the dam fields, the beans will thank ya come next harvest season, and the townfolk will for sure thank the lord for saving there homes and families.

[mille011]

Mille, is yalls new camp going to make it ok or will it be flooded?

We have moved washes & dryer out of the mud rooms, and could take on some water there. The main lodge should be fine. It was built 16 ft off of the ground and should take more than a 70 ft river at greenville to get in. I was at Valewood a week ago and no water on the place. Amazing what a week can change. Hoping for the best, but this is unchartered for all of us. Good luck to everyone with property and camps/houses affected.

[novacaine]

This flood could affect lands OUTSIDE the levees, too....imagine what the delta will look like, if all of the bayous, rivers, and streams are already backed outta their banks from the River flooding, THEN, another 5-6 inches of rain falls....no where for it to go, except spread across the delta.

UHHHH we are inside the levees The river is OUTSIDE the levees! Yea I would say it's definately going to effect all lands outside the levee!

Most everything in the south delta is getting some water on it now. Appx 87 ft MSL at the south end now. Theres prolly already 100k plus acres under water in the south delta now.

Now as far as you people trying to guess wether or not a certian river stage MIGHT get you or not why dont you simply have your elevations shot? No guessing then. 48 fett on and old AR City guage 3 years ago I can bet you won't be the same today! Use their conversion factors to find out the MSL levels for your area then you will know.


EX: Helena 0 nav is 141.7
take that figure then add it to the projected crest and you have the elevation in MSL that it will cover or reach.
AR City is now 96.7
Greenville is 74.9
Vicksburg is 46.2

So if you are in the Greenville area say on Woodstock and Greenvill is expecting a 60 ft river then everything under 140ft land elevation in that vicinity will be under water! Don't think there is much land on any of those islands that high!

Your math only works if you are within a few miles of the gage. The hydraulic slope on this storm is running around 0.5 ft per river mile. All flood events have their own hydraulic slope . No 2 flood events are EVER the same.
For instance,from the Desoto/Tunica Co line to the Tunica/Coahoma Co line is roughly 12 ft drop in water surface elevation (hydraulic slope).
You have to know more data than just the gage reading. I ran the calculations for a buddy at Island 66/Mouth of Desoto Lake (River Mile 624) . At 51.5 Helena gage (river mile 663.1?) will equate to around a 175 mean sea level at outlet of Desoto Lake. I'm going from memory but i think im fairly close.

[420 racin]

This flood could affect lands OUTSIDE the levees, too....imagine what the delta will look like, if all of the bayous, rivers, and streams are already backed outta their banks from the River flooding, THEN, another 5-6 inches of rain falls....no where for it to go, except spread across the delta.

UHHHH we are inside the levees The river is OUTSIDE the levees! Yea I would say it's definately going to effect all lands outside the levee!

Most everything in the south delta is getting some water on it now. Appx 87 ft MSL at the south end now. Theres prolly already 100k plus acres under water in the south delta now.

Now as far as you people trying to guess wether or not a certian river stage MIGHT get you or not why dont you simply have your elevations shot? No guessing then. 48 fett on and old AR City guage 3 years ago I can bet you won't be the same today! Use their conversion factors to find out the MSL levels for your area then you will know.


EX: Helena 0 nav is 141.7
take that figure then add it to the projected crest and you have the elevation in MSL that it will cover or reach.
AR City is now 96.7
Greenville is 74.9
Vicksburg is 46.2

So if you are in the Greenville area say on Woodstock and Greenvill is expecting a 60 ft river then everything under 140ft land elevation in that vicinity will be under water! Don't think there is much land on any of those islands that high!

UHHHH I think the river is inside (between) the levees, we are outside (not between) the levees, At least that is the way i see it.
How bout river Side and land Side