River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby Hambone » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:40 am

Wingman wrote:Well, worry does not do a thing to help the cause. All you can really do is prepare your things then listen to a little Zeppelin. If it gets too bad, I'll just drive to the hill at Tchula.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s
I agree that worrying won't help...just hope we don't have a "Heartbreaker!"
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby tombstone » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:55 am

don't remember '73, but remember 97 which was the highest mark on the Helena guage in recent yrs. Suppose to surpass that by 3 ft at 51.5. Sho' ain't looking good for anybody behind the hill now. More rain coming too. :cry:
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby DanP » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:07 am

Wingman wrote: If it gets too bad, I'll just drive to the hill at Tchula.

I think I would find a different hill... Just sayin :wink:
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby duramax » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:07 am

The flooding up north is supposed to be worse than '97 when the red river put Grand Forks, ND under water. The whole city looked like Katrina. Plus Winnipeg in Manitoba will be half under water again too.

The only upside was outstanding duck production since EVERY low spot in the prairies had water.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby Deltaquack » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:57 am

mille011 wrote:Heard that if the rainfall prediction is right for the midwest, the crest at Greenville could be as high as 61. That would be 3 ft over the highest amount ever.
Go look at 1927.......a good bit higher then.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby TODO » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:04 pm

Sitting at the office in Memphis and its raining like a sumbitch now, and i think carrying that up through the Valley. I would look for the stage to go higher as a result
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby duramax » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:14 pm

TODO wrote:Sitting at the office in Memphis and its raining like a sumbitch now, and i think carrying that up through the Valley. I would look for the stage to go higher as a result
Just what I was thinking. We are just catching the southern portion of the big system too. It's mostly north in the midwest.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby deltadukman » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:19 pm

Deltaquack wrote:
mille011 wrote:Heard that if the rainfall prediction is right for the midwest, the crest at Greenville could be as high as 61. That would be 3 ft over the highest amount ever.
Go look at 1927.......a good bit higher then.

I may be wrong, but I swear I remember hearing that there were some discrepancies in the river guages between now and then. Making the numbers a little skewed(not sure in which direction). I do know that the levees are higher now than what they used to be. Anybody got any input on it?

I sure hate it for the people that hunt back there. There have been multiple high water years here recently and I know its having effects on the hunting back there.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby mille011 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:44 pm

Deltaquack wrote:
mille011 wrote:Heard that if the rainfall prediction is right for the midwest, the crest at Greenville could be as high as 61. That would be 3 ft over the highest amount ever.
Go look at 1927.......a good bit higher then.
The only information I could find was that the river stage was at 46.8 feet in Greenville when the levee broke. Remember that the levees were not nearly as large then as they are now.
What were you able to find? I was just going from the information listed below:

The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, Greenville, Mississippi. The river stage was at 46.8 feet. From: "The Floods of 1927 in the Mississippi Basin", Frankenfeld, H.C., 1927 Monthly Weather Review Supplement No. 29.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby Blackduck » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:47 pm

http://m.cnn.com/primary/_bvkVTY-i8Wobkbvat4

First of many I'd guess. Stories on flooding that is.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby novacaine » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:06 pm

deltadukman wrote:
Deltaquack wrote:
mille011 wrote:Heard that if the rainfall prediction is right for the midwest, the crest at Greenville could be as high as 61. That would be 3 ft over the highest amount ever.
Go look at 1927.......a good bit higher then.

I may be wrong, but I swear I remember hearing that there were some discrepancies in the river guages between now and then. Making the numbers a little skewed(not sure in which direction). I do know that the levees are higher now than what they used to be. Anybody got any input on it?

I sure hate it for the people that hunt back there. There have been multiple high water years here recently and I know its having effects on the hunting back there.
After the 1927 flood came the 1928 Flood Control Act. The modern day system which is 98% complete, is made up of more than just levees (flood control lakes,cutoffs,spillways, etc.) The levees are wider and taller than in 27.
Some river gages have been adjusted/moved over the years for various reasons, and all storm events have their own hydraulic slopes. Thats why you will NEVER get the same reading throughout the lower Mississippi River valley.
From the river data i have and looking at proposed crest this storm (From Memphis gage to Helena) is bumping right around a 50 yr event, give or take a foot. I was just informed by Vicksburg District that the NWS will bump it again with the next 24 hrs based on what is on the ground + todays storms. It will be adjusted 1 to 3 ft up and the crest date will be run out 3 to 5 additional days. There is only about 2.5 to 3 ft difference in the 50 and 100 yr stage (depending on location).
For general info- the Mississippi River Levees provide 500 yr protection plus 5 to 7 feet of freeboard (depending on location).
My 2 cents: There is still a little time to move some items from the batture so if you can..........hurry.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby DanP » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:41 pm

We've been on the phone with Vicksburg as well, looks like it will be bumped to 53 at Vicksburg and the crest will be pushed back a little bit. That covers projected rainfall through Thursday, the crest/date will be updated as actual rainfall data is incorporated.

If your on the unprotected side of the River from Satartia to Yazoo City (Panther Swamp - Wolf Lake) better get ready. Projected crest there is 102-103, it hit 100 in 2008. Hwy 49 just north of the river bridge is about 106.9 to give you a point of reference. Its fixin to get serious down there...
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby brake man » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:50 pm

All of the folks who will be flooded are in my wife's and my thoughts and prayers. We were flooded in the May 1-2 flooding last year in Franklin, TN, and I can tell you flooding is not any fun. My stomach is in knots today as I watch the storms coming into our area and see the flood warnings that are showing things may get back once again.
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby DanP » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:59 pm

It's official...60 at greenville and 53.5 at vicksburg
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Re: River is fixing to get serious, boys!!!

Postby deltadukman » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:07 pm

DanP wrote:It's official...60 at greenville and 53.5 at vicksburg
And thats 23 days out....how much is gonna fall in that time period?

How high's the water momma....50 feet and rising...

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