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Re: crappy wardens

Postby gps4 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:14 am

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:The original intent of the federal game laws was basically to stop market hunting. We are now so far afield from that basic end that the entire reason for the implementation of the laws has been forgotten. Our federal game laws, in many respects, have simply become a means of subjective harassment by the enforcers of those laws. As described by the shared experiences of many here in this thread, when stopped and checked by federal wardens the results usually include something along the lines of "..we could have cited you for x. y, and z, but chose not to do so" (because we didn't want to appear to be a bunch of cheesedicks). Much like our tax laws have become, the game laws have become so extensive and burdensome that even those who try to comply and be good sportsmen can often be found noncompliant. The practical use of these laws for most of the enforcement officers is to use them to really put the hammer down on those caught in more serious violations ---- just icing on the cake so to speak. But, in the hands of the inexperienced or those wanting to find violations for the sake of writing tickets, the laws usually can serve that purpose even against the most careful sportsmen.

When three guys cannot emerge from a duck hunt with 5 total birds (well within our daily bag limits) without being ticketed for a "tagging violation", we have reached the threshold of pointless absurdity. :roll: What real purpose did that serve? How did that ticket protect the resource or the sport? It didn't. Were the actions of the hunters "unethical"? No.

Laws can be changed folks. They weren't set by fiat from a King. Federal laws were enacted by Congress and can be modified by Congress. State laws were enacted by our legislature and signed by the Gov. Perhaps its time to make some concrete suggestions to the people who can make a difference --- our members of Congress --- US Representatives and Senators, or state legislators. . Surely we can prevent market gunning and enforce our daily bag limits without the necessity of the current federal and state laws as written (most likely by folks who don't even hunt and wouldn't know a duck from an ardvark), and without harassing our good sportsmen. When most finally get to the point of just saying F^*& it and just stop hunting, then I suppose we won't even need wardens. At that point, the anti-hunters will have won the battle through over-regulation, as opposed to popular support(this is exactly the tactics of the left in other areas --- what makes anyone think that this is not the desired end game here?).

Yet one more example and one more step toward the "pussification" of America.

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Just for fun, I am willing to make the following challenge to ANY federal or state game warden. Film what you consider to be the "perfectly legal duck hunt", compliant with all federal and state (Mississippi) game regulatory laws, from beginning to end of hunt, transport, cleaning, and to the table to eat. And I will bet you $250, payable to the charity of the winner's choice, that I can find something illegal about your hunt. And whether I win or lose, some charity will get the $250, and our sportsmen get a video that they can learn from ---even from a warden's mistakes, if such should occur.

Conditions: You must have more than one hunter on the hunt and must collectively harvest at least ten ducks. And the hunt must be on a public WMA in MS. And you must transport them from the WMA to your home or to a club site, clean them, and transport at least some of the cleaned birds to another destination for cooking or storage. (added later: and you must demonstrate on the video compliance with all laws ---don't just tell us ---- show us ---eg licenses, permits, shell limits, tags, etc. etc. ).

Any takers?

which reminds me of why you should never talk to the police.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby teul2 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:17 am

Bullet wrote:
teul2 wrote:
LawDawg wrote:And is bullet a GW??? :lol: :lol:

Does the Pope crap in the woods?
Seen him crap in the woods.
Dirty sob used all my paper too :shock: :D :lol:
Balancing on a log in knee deep water. Rough :lol: :lol:
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby dandy_don » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:22 am

teul2 wrote:crappy wardens = the number one dumbest thread topic ever started on this website.
I'm enjoying it myself.
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby Wingman » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:35 am

dandy_don wrote:
teul2 wrote:crappy wardens = the number one dumbest thread topic ever started on this website.
I'm enjoying it myself.
Me too. Crappy hunters post coming soon. 8)
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby tobydawg » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:38 am

Wingman wrote:
dandy_don wrote:
teul2 wrote:crappy wardens = the number one dumbest thread topic ever started on this website.
I'm enjoying it myself.
Me too. Crappy hunters post coming soon. 8)
:lol: :lol:
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby Bullet » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:43 am

Wingman wrote:
dandy_don wrote:
teul2 wrote:crappy wardens = the number one dumbest thread topic ever started on this website.
I'm enjoying it myself.
Me too. Crappy hunters post coming soon. 8)
Here here :P
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby Wingman » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:00 am

Hey, Bullet. Did I tell you I took a break from harassing duck hunters long enough to pop those paddlefish boyz?

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Postby tunica » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:52 am

hopefully we all crappy sometime or other
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby RLJames » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:50 pm

Po monkey you are as always right on.

Wingman did you put gunpowder in little green jeans' moon pie?
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby dandy_don » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:54 pm

Well, trying to be as legal as I can understand the laws, I just returned from BPS where I purchased a pair of Waterfowl Totes like these that will be with my son and I on each trip:
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http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/store ... _THUMBNAIL

I then created, using Excel, a couple of tags similar to these (http://trinitymountainarts.com/Federalbirdtag.pdf) and placed one on each tote, one with my son's info, the other with mine. I filled in the information I could in advance (name, address, etc.), and then laminated the tags. I plan to write the daily information (date, species, etc.) on top of the lamination using a dry-erase marker. I don't know how to handle this without the water and mud destroying these during the hunt.

I, like many of the others, have never heard of this "requirement of the law". I am sure when I'm approached by Mr. Greenjeans, there will be some other infraction that I will be introduced for my "live and learn" moment. For those of us that want to do the right thing and try hard to do so, all we can do is try to the best of our ability. It's a shame that I continue to see those that intentionally violate the law continue with their misdeeds unpunished, while others, like this guy, try to do the right thing and just happens to be easy pickings for this GW.
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby StraightUp » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:00 pm

Wingman wrote:
dandy_don wrote:
teul2 wrote:crappy wardens = the number one dumbest thread topic ever started on this website.
I'm enjoying it myself.
Me too. Crappy hunters post coming soon. 8)
SCOOOOOOOOOOORE!
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Postby Wingman » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:05 pm

dandy_don wrote:Well, trying to be as legal as I can understand the laws, I just returned from BPS where I purchased a pair of Waterfowl Totes like these that will be with my son and I on each trip:
Image
http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/store ... _THUMBNAIL

I then created, using Excel, a couple of tags similar to these (http://trinitymountainarts.com/Federalbirdtag.pdf) and placed one on each tote, one with my son's info, the other with mine. I filled in the information I could in advance (name, address, etc.), and then laminated the tags. I plan to write the daily information (date, species, etc.) on top of the lamination using a dry-erase marker. I don't know how to handle this without the water and mud destroying these during the hunt.

I, like many of the others, have never heard of this "requirement of the law". I am sure when I'm approached by Mr. Greenjeans, there will be some other infraction that I will be introduced for my "live and learn" moment. For those of us that want to do the right thing and try hard to do so, all we can do is try to the best of our ability. It's a shame that I continue to see those that intentionally violate the law continue with their misdeeds unpunished, while others, like this guy, try to do the right thing and just happens to be easy pickings for this GW.
You've made a mountain out of a mole hill. All you have to do is tag them if you leave them somewhere other than your home or the home of someone you give them to.

And as far as your last statement about unpunished violators, there are a lot of those around. When you've got 1 game warden covering 400-600 square miles by himself, some folks are gonna get away. I don't know of any officers that pick on folks just because they are easy targets. We take 'em how them come.

As far as the law, it's as easy now as ever to access with the internet. 50CFR20 of the Code of Federal Regulations tells you everything you need to know. mdwfp.com will show you all of the seasons and limits.
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby dandy_don » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:22 pm

Wingman wrote: You've made a mountain out of a mole hill. All you have to do is tag them if you leave them somewhere other than your home or the home of someone you give them to.

And as far as your last statement about unpunished violators, there are a lot of those around. When you've got 1 game warden covering 400-600 square miles by himself, some folks are gonna get away. I don't know of any officers that pick on folks just because they are easy targets. We take 'em how them come.

As far as the law, it's as easy now as ever to access with the internet. 50CFR20 of the Code of Federal Regulations tells you everything you need to know. mdwfp.com will show you all of the seasons and limits.
Have I? I often times stop at a restaurant or gas station along the way home and leave our ducks in the truck while we go inside. By the events that happened here, that would have been a ticketing offense if a GW walked past our vehicle while the two of us were inside and the ducks were not clearly identifiable as to whose they were. Using these in the blind will also defeat the opportunity of a GW coming into our blind and writing tickets for them not being separated.

Matter of fact, 2 GW's were in the McD's in Sardis last weekend when we stopped on our way home with our ducks in the back of the truck. Nice fella's, but I don't want to give them the opportunity of an easy target.
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby Wingman » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:40 pm

dandy_don wrote:
Wingman wrote: You've made a mountain out of a mole hill. All you have to do is tag them if you leave them somewhere other than your home or the home of someone you give them to.

And as far as your last statement about unpunished violators, there are a lot of those around. When you've got 1 game warden covering 400-600 square miles by himself, some folks are gonna get away. I don't know of any officers that pick on folks just because they are easy targets. We take 'em how them come.

As far as the law, it's as easy now as ever to access with the internet. 50CFR20 of the Code of Federal Regulations tells you everything you need to know. mdwfp.com will show you all of the seasons and limits.
Have I? I often times stop at a restaurant or gas station along the way home and leave our ducks in the truck while we go inside. By the events that happened here, that would have been a ticketing offense if a GW walked past our vehicle while the two of us were inside and the ducks were not clearly identifiable as to whose they were. Using these in the blind will also defeat the opportunity of a GW coming into our blind and writing tickets for them not being separated.

Matter of fact, 2 GW's were in the McD's in Sardis last weekend when we stopped on our way home with our ducks in the back of the truck. Nice fella's, but I don't want to give them the opportunity of an easy target.
Just don't stop at McDonald's. :wink:
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Re: crappy wardens

Postby slamminheads » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:23 pm

Stop at the B.P. Station next time. If you going to be in the Belzoni area :shock:

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