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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby msbigdawg1234 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:29 am

I shot a G5 yesterday for the first time with my reezen7 @ 65 lbs ... i can say this it flys just like a field tip....now one thing i see and have heard they are dull and hard to sharpen but can be done ...if i can get them razor sharp i will be shooting them some this yr....if i shoot mechanicals this yr i will go back to the Grim Reaper...i like them over spitfire and rage....but you know they will all kill a deer with good shot placement....i dont shoot poison so i make sure i am gona hit well if i shoot.....jmo
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Postby duramax » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:32 pm

msbigdawg1234 wrote:I shot a G5 yesterday for the first time with my reezen7 @ 65 lbs ... i can say this it flys just like a field tip


I shot the G5 montecs when they came out. I also bought a g5 flat sharpening stone and would try my darnedest to get them even close to as sharp as they are out of the box to no avail. They do fly great...out of the box. But once you nick the blades, they go off balance and don't fly well after that. Plus the cut diameter is too small in my opinion. I lost more deer with those blades then any other broadhead I've used combined. It could be just bad luck, or that they never resharpend well, but I won't buy them again. They weren't bad hits either. Lost 3 in one year also. One shot couldn't have been better, and never found her after several hours of looking. The blood trail would run out after 75-100 yards with each deer. Said to heck with them after that year.

My opinion on the deal (and there have been plenty already on this obviously), is that Muzzy's are the best broadhead out there for the money. They don't fly like field tips, and aren't very accurate for modern high speed bows where fine tuning is so important, but they do work, and can work like new by putting new blades on each time.

Rage makes a terrific broadhead. But they are priced high, and they are pretty much a one (or two) and done broadhead. Made some shots on animals I wouldn't brag about, but they still put them down. Liver shot one big buck and he didn't make it 50 yards. Don't think I've lost a deer with them come to think of it.

Spitfires and grim reapers I put together as being about the same category, but the grim reaper performs better, and is more durable and reusable. Plus they offer a 1 3/4" cut on a 100gr broadhead that I really liked. Almost as vicious as a rage.

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Spiderco makes a really good diamond stone as well I think.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby duramax » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:38 pm

BLOOD DOG wrote:Well if im Sir Issac Newton then you must be Fred flippin Bear cus u know all there is to know about bows and arrows. What does you program tell you about retained , Or led me say it so my dumb ole self can cypher it our, down range energy on the super light arrows? In a sence they are the same as bullets and you dont want to talk to me about that either. Its just math too Fred.


In bullets, retained energy is measured with weight, speed, and ballistic coefficient. Basically it's a measure of aerodynamics. Again, heavier does not always = better in retained energy. That is why my .204 ruger with a lighter bullet has a higher retained energy than the mighty .220 swift with a heavier bullet with the same muzzle velocity.

The same is true with arrows. Say 2 arrows of different weights have basically the same ballistic coeficient but the lighter one is moving faster fitting with the bell curve. The lighter arrow will have higher retained energy than the heavier arrow. If it has higher energy at the point of release, it will have higher energy down range. That is "just math".

The faster moving arrow will also drop less at distance, which is also a positive. Faster, lighter arrows coupled with faster shooting bows is making 60+ yards possible.

In the hunting world, the best arrow to shoot is the one that shoots the most accurately out of your bow. Accuracy is the only thing that beats speed and energy every time.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby rybo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:56 pm

I shot Muzzy 100 grain until last year when I switched to Rage 2 blade 100 grain. The reason: I missed an 8 point shooting Muzzy's from 15 yards away and 15 foot off the ground. It missed low and to left as said in an above post. I had been practicing with my 100 grain tips, but did not actually shoot the Muzzy until I missed the deer. I got home after beating the hell out of myself and shot a Muzzy at target and wallah, missed low and left. I shot a 100 grain practice tip and hit dead on every time. I switched to Rage and practiced with the practice tip and it hits dead on along with my normal practice tips. I also shot the actual Rage 2 blade at a target a few times to make sure and it hit dead on. Although, I don't recommend using the actual Rage tip to shoot at a target since you will have to dig it out for about an hour!! I'm satisfied with the Rage thus far. I had a chance at a doe after I missed the big buck and hit her dead on in the shoulder. The blade stuck in her and she ran off and broke it while running. The Rage did not penetrate that shoulder bone unforunately as I could not find her and there was only 1-2 drops of blood where I hit her. Of course, I was aiming dead at the shoulder with the Rage. Next time I will aim just a bit behind it. I got so used to aiming for that shoulder blade, but these Rages are so accurate, I actually do have to aim a little behind.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:25 pm

rybo wrote:I shot Muzzy 100 grain until last year when I switched to Rage 2 blade 100 grain. The reason: I missed an 8 point shooting Muzzy's from 15 yards away and 15 foot off the ground. It missed low and to left as said in an above post. I had been practicing with my 100 grain tips, but did not actually shoot the Muzzy until I missed the deer. I got home after beating the hell out of myself and shot a Muzzy at target and wallah, missed low and left. I shot a 100 grain practice tip and hit dead on every time. I switched to Rage and practiced with the practice tip and it hits dead on along with my normal practice tips. I also shot the actual Rage 2 blade at a target a few times to make sure and it hit dead on. Although, I don't recommend using the actual Rage tip to shoot at a target since you will have to dig it out for about an hour!! I'm satisfied with the Rage thus far. I had a chance at a doe after I missed the big buck and hit her dead on in the shoulder. The blade stuck in her and she ran off and broke it while running. The Rage did not penetrate that shoulder bone unforunately as I could not find her and there was only 1-2 drops of blood where I hit her. Of course, I was aiming dead at the shoulder with the Rage. Next time I will aim just a bit behind it. I got so used to aiming for that shoulder blade, but these Rages are so accurate, I actually do have to aim a little behind.


Well that was user error, it wasnt the heads fault... A properly tuned bow will group ANY head on the market with your field tips.... And you just admitted to a failure with the RAGE.... and you are sticking with them????? :lol: GOOD LUCK BROTHER :!:
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby camlock » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:02 pm

DUCK-HUNT wrote:Well that was user error, it wasnt the heads fault... A properly tuned bow will group ANY head on the market with your field tips.... And you just admitted to a failure with the RAGE.... and you are sticking with them????? :lol: GOOD LUCK BROTHER :!:


A properly tuned bow will not group any broadhead with your fieldtip, it is not at all that simple...I'm sorry you are just flat out wrong...
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby jdbuckshot » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:10 pm

camlock wrote:
DUCK-HUNT wrote:Well that was user error, it wasnt the heads fault... A properly tuned bow will group ANY head on the market with your field tips.... And you just admitted to a failure with the RAGE.... and you are sticking with them????? :lol: GOOD LUCK BROTHER :!:


A properly tuned bow will not group any broadhead with your fieldtip, it is not at all that simple...I'm sorry you are just flat out wrong...


bring me your bow, i'll tune it to shoot a boat paddle.


Rages are a freaking gimmick. they suck and i will never shoot them at a deer.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby camlock » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:24 pm

jdbuckshot wrote:
bring me your bow, i'll tune it to shoot a boat paddle.


Rages are a freaking gimmick. they suck and i will never shoot them at a deer.



I didn't say MY BOW wouldn't, I said not any bow will...and for the record if I could bring you my X-force or my Martin I would just to prove my point. I am not giving you the backyard test opinion, you can't do anything that hasn't been done already,there are some setups that some broadheads simply ain't gonna fly...and there is no more proper way to tune it.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby jdbuckshot » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:37 pm

camlock wrote:
there are some setups that some broadheads simply ain't gonna fly...and there is no more proper way to tune it.



thats why you change set ups. I personally shoot a bow to harvest animals, i perfer to do that with sharp cut on contact broadheads, and i tune my equipment accordingly.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby camlock » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:54 pm

jdbuckshot wrote:
camlock wrote:
there are some setups that some broadheads simply ain't gonna fly...and there is no more proper way to tune it.



thats why you change set ups. I personally shoot a bow to harvest animals, i perfer to do that with sharp cut on contact broadheads, and i tune my equipment accordingly.


The 08 and 09 hunting season I worked at a hunting outfitters company who's main store had a very large bow shop and indoor range, I have tested out some bows with about every setup you can and tuned and re-tuned...certain heads will not fly consistently from them...

I don't claim to be a archery shop pro (that wasn't my job there) but I was good enough to know how to tune, but there were several at my disposal that made their living in archery...I went to work there thinking the same thing, that when properly tuned there is NO reason any bow can't shoot any head with the right setup...

I have seen it with my own eyes now...with enough work you can get it shooting right 2 out of 3 times...but in some cases that's as good as you get...
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby camlock » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:56 pm

I will say that an AlphaMax or a Switchback XT can be tuned to just about anything and not just group, but fly like a fieldpoint with dang near any head....
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby Relentless » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:00 pm

you can broadhead tune any bow and get the broadheads flying right....but why do all that work when you can buy a better broadhead IMO...for the record I hate rages too
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby The Land Man » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:23 pm

When my thunderheads stop killing deer I will think about changing but I just don't see that happening. They haven't let me down in the last 20 years so we'll see.
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Re: Rage broadheads

Postby camlock » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:30 am

The Land Man wrote:When my thunderheads stop killing deer I will think about changing but I just don't see that happening. They haven't let me down in the last 20 years so we'll see.


I shot Thunderhead XP last year, and I was impressed...they are hard to find replacement blades for. The traditional Thurnderhead is one of the better flying heads in the fixed blade family...a slick trick flies really good too...A slick trick will fly when almost nothing else will

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