Teacher Pay Question

[donia]

By the way, where's all that casino revenue we were supposed to be saving from these miracle cure casinos?

same place all the whiskey taxes went, way back when it was passed (and promised to be used for education to get it voted in, then quitely and swiftly steered far away from education)...absorbed into the general fund, never to be seen or heard from again!!!

[marty lee]

By the way, where's all that casino revenue we were supposed to be saving from these miracle cure casinos?

same place all the whiskey taxes went, way back when it was passed (and promised to be used for education to get it voted in, then quitely and swiftly steered far away from education)...absorbed into the general fund, never to be seen or heard from again!!!

AGREED same place that wonderful "LOTTO" was supposed to "cure all of our educational problems" same crap in Fl.

[davidees]

I don't know about other teachers but my wife works her butt off as a first grade teacher. She is at that school from 7 am to 4 or 5 most days. Deals with idiot parents and little kids who have no respect. She got her national board and now they're cutting some of that. She just graduated delta state today with a masters and is teaching in a school district in the delta that is run like a circus.

By the way, where's all that casino revenue we were supposed to be saving from these miracle cure casinos?

+1,0000.. My wife is a 2nd grade teacher.. She leaves the house at 6:40 (has to be at work before 7) and does not get home before 4. Here starting salary when in 2003 was 22k.. It is better now, but only because she got her masters.. I would say that avg pay for a teacher w/o a Masters is about 32k.. Yes, they have got good hours and it is a great job for those with families.. But I venture to say it is probably one of the most stessful jobs with all the red tape and things you have to put up with..

I agree. I guess if you dont live with a teacher you dont know/ care.

[SoftCall]

I also believe that if you want good eductaion for your kids then you have to pay for it. Let's take the city if Jackson for example. I used to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% in property taxes. When I moved, I payed 2.8% in TX...yes 2.8%. That equates to about a $4000 annual increase in my taxes. That is a drop in the bucket when you look at schools like JA or St. Andrews. I can get a great education for both of my kids and write a portion of that expense off. You can't fund quality schools without higher property tax rates in my opinion BUT you have to make sure that it goes to the schools. Not a popular position on things but I am now a believer.

[dukhntn]

I also believe that if you want good eductaion for your kids then you have to pay for it. Let's take the city if Jackson for example. I used to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% in property taxes. When I moved, I payed 2.8% in TX...yes 2.8%. That equates to about a $4000 annual increase in my taxes. That is a drop in the bucket when you look at schools like JA or St. Andrews. I can get a great education for both of my kids and write a portion of that expense off. You can't fund quality schools without higher property tax rates in my opinion BUT you have to make sure that it goes to the schools. Not a popular position on things but I am now a believer.

If I remember correctly TX does not have a state income tax. They are able to do this by increasing other taxes, e.g. property taxes.

[SoftCall]

You are correct. My property taxes go to the city of Frisco schools instead of funding all other kinds of useless BS.

[Seymore]

Wife is a nurse in two schools. She's an employee of the local hospital and is farmed out to the schools in a partnership where the hospital provides nurses to the schools at no cost. She does health education, social work, nursing, and child counseling. From watching what she does and meeting her teacher friends I've got a good idea of what goes on. While my wife is not a teacher I've seen her sit down at night on her own time and work her little black book to get kid glasses, dental care, health care, medicine, and get them out of bad home situations. The teachers are doing a little of the same stuff and grading papers. She gets calls all night long from teachers as the put their heads together to get things done.

All that to say that the idea this is an 8 to 3 job is false. I reckon if a teacher wanted to do the bare bones and just get by the hours could be pretty good but I imagine they don't last long.

Just a different view from a "non teacher" viewpoint.

[Lazy Drake]

Casino revenue is down just like every other industry. I think that casino money goes into the general fund. General fund money is appropriated however the legislature sees fit.

The reality is the State of MS is broke. There has to be wholesale changes in state pension, compensation and entitlement programs if we are to get out of it.

[cwink]

Wife is a nurse in two schools. She's an employee of the local hospital and is farmed out to the schools in a partnership where the hospital provides nurses to the schools at no cost. She does health education, social work, nursing, and child counseling. From watching what she does and meeting her teacher friends I've got a good idea of what goes on. While my wife is not a teacher I've seen her sit down at night on her own time and work her little black book to get kid glasses, dental care, health care, medicine, and get them out of bad home situations. The teachers are doing a little of the same stuff and grading papers. She gets calls all night long from teachers as the put their heads together to get things done.

All that to say that the idea this is an 8 to 3 job is false. I reckon if a teacher wanted to do the bare bones and just get by the hours could be pretty good but I imagine they don't last long.

Just a different view from a "non teacher" viewpoint.

Your right.. The 180 days thing is false.. My wife has to grade papers, pay for student lunches, take calls from parents and let's not forget the days they have to go in and set up take down thier rooms each year before and after the year..180 days turns into 200 days real quick..

[tombstone]

While I know teachers work more than 8-3, I know some making 40K after 2 years with a BS degree. When coupled in with vacation and state retirement it is a pretty good gig. (especially in areas other than metro and the delta) Do I think they should be paid more?? Heck yeah. I am not for cutting their salaries, but compared to other state jobs, it looks pretty good.

There are alot of folks who will come out of college with a business degree and beg to make 30K with retirement their first year. Please do not think I am unappreciative of our school teachers. They are a precious commodity, and it is not a job I could handle, but do I think a soldier should make more than a teacher?? The answer is a resounding YES!!!

[JaMak84]

Wife is a nurse in two schools. She's an employee of the local hospital and is farmed out to the schools in a partnership where the hospital provides nurses to the schools at no cost. She does health education, social work, nursing, and child counseling. From watching what she does and meeting her teacher friends I've got a good idea of what goes on. While my wife is not a teacher I've seen her sit down at night on her own time and work her little black book to get kid glasses, dental care, health care, medicine, and get them out of bad home situations. The teachers are doing a little of the same stuff and grading papers. She gets calls all night long from teachers as the put their heads together to get things done.

All that to say that the idea this is an 8 to 3 job is false. I reckon if a teacher wanted to do the bare bones and just get by the hours could be pretty good but I imagine they don't last long.

Just a different view from a "non teacher" viewpoint.

Your right.. The 180 days thing is false.. My wife has to grade papers, pay for student lunches, take calls from parents and let's not forget the days they have to go in and set up take down thier rooms each year before and after the year..180 days turns into 200 days real quick..

My wife is a SPED teacher and would sell her soul to get into a regular ed classroom.

[tdog]

Well from a teacher stand point, its going to cost me 90.66 bucks a month, do I like it hell no, but to look at bright side going to get 4 more hunting days that I dont have to come to staff development. I put 300 bucks into PERS everymonth, if it starts to effect our living I will just lower my PERS. Problem comes when they decide they are going to do it again. This year fine, next year its going to be someone elses turn to take the cut.

[JMallard]

My wife is a teacher at a large publlic high school, maybe the biggest, with 8 yrs exper, math degre...and she aint making no$40K.
My mom and sister are teachers, wife and my dad was on the school board 20 years. It is not a question of whether a teacher is making 30K or whatever and working 7 to 5 or 8 to 3. It is the quality of the people going into education. If salaries where higher, you would get better people/more competition in education. It is a sad fact that most teachers are not great teachers. They got into education because of all those reason listed above....time off, low expectations, "I want to coach". With the world we live in today, it is becoming apparent that if we want to reach the level of education for EVERYONE that it is going to take to keep the US a superpower and get people off of the gov check, then we are goign to have to get the kids from the crib and start from there. PreK is going to be the next big topic in MS public education. Once a kids is in 2nd grad he/she is lost and is not going to make up ground.....and that kids is going to hold mine back from the education he could be getting because a teacher is going to spend most of thier time with the slow one, because they are so far behind. All that said.....I would love to see where MS ranks if they did the ranking county by county and cut out the Delta. No offense to my friends over there, but you didnt go to public school over there anyway.

[davidees]

Hu

While I know teachers work more than 8-3, I know some making 40K after 2 years with a BS degree. When coupled in with vacation and state retirement it is a pretty good gig. (especially in areas other than metro and the delta) Do I think they should be paid more?? Heck yeah. I am not for cutting their salaries, but compared to other state jobs, it looks pretty good.

There are alot of folks who will come out of college with a business degree and beg to make 30K with retirement their first year. Please do not think I am unappreciative of our school teachers. They are a precious commodity, and it is not a job I could handle, but do I think a soldier should make more than a teacher?? The answer is a resounding YES!!!

Ok, maybe you are right about the Soldiers.

[davidees]

My wife is a teacher at a large publlic high school, maybe the biggest, with 8 yrs exper, math degre...and she aint making no$40K.
My mom and sister are teachers, wife and my dad was on the school board 20 years. It is not a question of whether a teacher is making 30K or whatever and working 7 to 5 or 8 to 3. It is the quality of the people going into education. If salaries where higher, you would get better people/more competition in education. It is a sad fact that most teachers are not great teachers. They got into education because of all those reason listed above....time off, low expectations, "I want to coach". With the world we live in today, it is becoming apparent that if we want to reach the level of education for EVERYONE that it is going to take to keep the US a superpower and get people off of the gov check, then we are goign to have to get the kids from the crib and start from there. PreK is going to be the next big topic in MS public education. Once a kids is in 2nd grad he/she is lost and is not going to make up ground.....and that kids is going to hold mine back from the education he could be getting because a teacher is going to spend most of thier time with the slow one, because they are so far behind. All that said.....I would love to see where MS ranks if they did the ranking county by county and cut out the Delta. No offense to my friends over there, but you didnt go to public school over there anyway.

I agree about the delta schools. The Rosa Fort type schools in the delta have to be killing us.