WHERE IS DA MS AG?

[JaMak84]

Living a my life healthy or unheathy is my God given RIGHT! Speaking of God, Why was Obama signing a bill on Sunday? Siging a bill is his job i.e. work. Didn't he break God's law by working on the sabath?

At the risk of taking this thread completely off course. Technically the sabath is on Saturday.

[southernvaughan]

Barbour to Hood: File health care suit or I will

Associated Press AP

JACKSON — Mississippi’s Republican governor and lieutenant governor are asking the state’s Democratic attorney general to file a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a sweeping federal health care bill. The legislation passed Sunday, and President Barack Obama plans to sign it into law Tuesday. Gov. Haley Barbour said he will file a lawsuit himself if Attorney General Jim Hood does not make a decision by noon Thursday. “A physician’s creed is to ’First, do no harm,”’ Barbour, who’s head of the Republican Governors Association, said in a statement Monday. “The health care legislation passed Sunday infects the economy with harmful tax increases, strips benefits from senior citizens and robs each citizen of their basic freedom to choose their own health care.” Hood made no commitment Monday, saying only that once the bill is signed, “we will review the law to determine if there are any viable causes of action for the state of Mississippi.” Lt. Gov. Phil Bryant sent a letter Monday to Hood, saying the federal legislation is too expensive and would violate people’s rights by requiring them to buy insurance. “The 10th Amendment protects states from an overbearing federal government. It is time we exercise those rights,” said Bryant, who’s gearing up to run for governor in 2011. Barbour is limited to two terms and can’t run again next year. Hood said last week that he’s running for a third term as attorney general in 2011. He’s the only Democrat holding statewide office in Mississippi, and Republicans are expected to try to unseat him. Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson was the only member of Mississippi’s congressional delegation who voted for the health care bill. Democratic Reps. Travis Childers and Gene Taylor and Republican Rep. Gregg Harper voted against it, saying it is too expensive. All four are seeking re-election this year. Thompson said the vote is one of the most significant he has taken during his 17 years in Washington. “Essentially, this legislation will put Americans back in control of their health care choices, hold insurance companies accountable, and make coverage more affordable,” Thompson said.

Makes me damn proud of our Governer! Too bad he can't run for re-election in 2011, but I have alot of confidence in Phil Bryant. I'm sure Benny will get reelected like usual, hell he could drop a damn bomb on Pickens, Lexington, and Tchula and his wonderful bright constituents would still vote for him. Pisses me off! Anyway I'm done ranting on this for this half of the day. Goes to show you don't mess with a good ol boy from Yazoo! Give em HELL Haley!!!

[riverat]

I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?

I thought about this too. Plus, if it is illegal for the government to force us to by Health Insurance, as Republicans have stated, then it is illegal for the government to force people to buy ANY insurance. Right?

If so, this will open up a whole new can of worms. For instance:

1 - Government backed mortgages (FHA, VA, Fannie Mae, Freddie mac, etc.) cannot legally force homeowners to purchase homeowners insurance. {You had better like your current house because there's no way that you will ever get a mortgage again.}
2 - Uninsured Motorist premiums are going to go through the roof, even for jalopies.
3 - And be glad that you even have a vehicle. Unless you can purchase one with cash on hand you will be walking because who's going to finance a vehicle without also requiring the borrower to purchase automobile insurance?
4 - Long term, this line of events would cause the entire banking and finance industries to cease to exist as we know it.

1, 3, 4. actually the note you sign requires you have insurance thus you are entering into a private contract with the lienholder agreeing to carry insurance on the collateral. thus it's exactly the same as if you don't pay the note the lienholder can come get.....period. nothing to do with the government.

[munyoz70]

Dude is bought and paid for by the trial lawyers, just like Obama. He aint moving unless they say so.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about! I grew up with him and went to school with him. He's as good as gold! If he doesn't see a need to file them he obviously has a reason to believe it would be a waste of taxpayer money. I personally don't know, but I assure you if that's what needs to be done, he will do it! He aint scared of no one, Democrat, Republican, and anyone else in politics!

What??? He is an a-hole i know from personal experience... And he is scared of pools evidently because when he moved in he made my friend fence theirs in for safety reasons!

[LostBoy]

[quote="Seymore"]I've been readng the legal scholars opinion of these suits and they say it is the same thing that happened when Social Security and Medicare went in. The suits are political posturing and nothing more. They will get no where in the courts. Unfortunately, we are now stuck with government health care.[/quote]

I see what your saying but SSI and Medicare and Medicade are taxes that you pay for funding those programs that you could participate if you chose. No one will send ou to jail or have the IRS knocking at your door because you did not sign up for your social securit payments or Medicare/Medicaid.

I think the same logic would apply to the public education system in the US. You pay taxes to support local public schools but there is no law that infringes on your right as a parent that requires you to send your child to public school. (yet, I am sure the NEA is eyeing that one now)

[Agua]

No, there's a very serious question about compelling someone to pay $ to a private entity simply for being alive. It is a penalty for the state of simply being alive. There's USSCT cases which prohibit burdens placed upon someone for their state of being (i.e., "drug addict") as compared to activity (i.e. "possession of dope"). So its not some lame argument and it is very different from social security witholdings.

[tombstone]

UPDATE FROM REP JOHN MAYO:

We just had two votes to suspend the rules for the purpose of considering two resolutions that would effectively negate in Mississippi the recently passed Health Care Reform Bill passed by the Congress and signed by the president. The resolutions were to bring another resolution out of the Rules Committee (which was voted down in Rules) and bring it before the whole House. That resolution was the one to ignore the Health Care Bill.



The vote to suspend the rules was 54-67 on the first and 55-66 on an accompanying bill. A vote to suspend the rules requires a 2/3rd majority.



What this means is the rules were not suspended to bring out the resolution. So, the issue will be debated tomorrow.



On the national level, persons opposed to the health care bill in the senate are introducing amendments to the “fix it” bill. Among those were one to prohibit the government from paying for Viagra prescriptions to sex offenders. These amendments are not designed to correct flaws in the bill, but to put Democrats on “the Board” with votes that the GOP can use this election year against Democrats.



The resolution presented today may or may not pass tomorrow, but it puts Mississippi Representatives here in Jackson “on the Board” as supporting the National Health Care Bill. The vote tomorrow ought to be interesting as members look forward to next year’s elections to determine whether or not it’s worth the effort to vote against what amounts to support the national health care bill.



The galleries were filled with people from the T.E.A. Party.



I voted against the rules suspension today and will vote against the resolution tomorrow.



Every time an uninsured or underinsured person shows up at an emergency room or a doctor’s office, those of us who have insurance are paying for it. A family should not have to be wiped out by a disease. A banker over in Columbus went through his savings, lost his home, and everything he owns to treat the cancer his wife has. He had insurance, but when it reached its limits, his health insurance cut him off.



I changed jobs way back when. My wife was two months pregnant. Her pregnancy was a pre-existing condition and was not covered.



The same arguments against the health care bill were made against social security and Medicare. They are now parts of our lives.



With adjustments, the Health Care Bill will, too.



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[crow]

Gentlemen, the health care law will be put into law and into action. It is just an extension of the Medicare laws of 1974. I was in college at the time they were passed and remember the hoohaa in class discussions about "socialism" and the "slippery slope!" I dare say that you would get your jaws busted if you stood up and said you are in favor of doing away with Medicare. Go down to your local nursing home and take a poll of how many are using Medicare. You may be surprised to find over 80% are using it. Folks will hide their parents money so they can avoid having to spend it on healthcare for the parents when the "govment" will pay it for them when their money is all gone. Just another "slide" down that slope.

It is as inevitable as sunrise that any republic as large as ours will move toward socialized medical care. It was a foregone concusion when Medicare was passed.

crow

[Jelly]

Dude is bought and paid for by the trial lawyers, just like Obama. He aint moving unless they say so.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about! I grew up with him and went to school with him. He's as good as gold! If he doesn't see a need to file them he obviously has a reason to believe it would be a waste of taxpayer money. I personally don't know, but I assure you if that's what needs to be done, he will do it! He aint scared of no one, Democrat, Republican, and anyone else in politics!

Jim Hood is a CROOK, if you have followed his office the last few years and seen some the deals this fellow has cut it obvious he has been bought. I wonder why state charges were never brought against Dickie Scruggs. Oh yeah that's right, I remember Mr. Hood said "he couldn't do it because that would be like prosecuting your brother." Give me a break, he along with Billy McCoy are some of the worst poloticians MS have.

+1, he's an elected official and will do what's in his and his party's best interest (no one else's). Mike Moore sure is laying low

[LostBoy]

[quote="crow"]Gentlemen, the health care law will be put into law and into action. It is just an extension of the Medicare laws of 1974. I was in college at the time they were passed and remember the hoohaa in class discussions about "socialism" and the "slippery slope!" I dare say that you would get your jaws busted if you stood up and said you are in favor of doing away with Medicare. Go down to your local nursing home and take a poll of how many are using Medicare. You may be surprised to find over 80% are using it. Folks will hide their parents money so they can avoid having to spend it on healthcare for the parents when the "govment" will pay it for them when their money is all gone. Just another "slide" down that slope.

It is as inevitable as sunrise that any republic as large as ours will move toward socialized medical care. It was a foregone concusion when Medicare was passed.

crow[/quote]

Again, I am a Health care Consultant I work with Medicare everyday and as the system is (or was) you do not have to participate in the Medicare program. If you don't, a late penalty fee will start accumulating and will apply to your Medicare premium IF you CHOOSE to participate. You are under no mandate under penalty of fine or imprisonment if you do not CHOOSE to sign up for your Medicare Benefits.
True 98%(example) of people sign up because they see a value, but for what ever reason 2% do not. This 2% do not have to fear being fined or jailed by the Government for not taking the Medicare benefits. I agree Medicare is a socialistic program and a slippery slope, but you are still free to not participate.

Now get you tin foil hat out and think about this.

Heath care is tied to everything from what we consume to our hereditary history. If the government can mandate health care then they can mandate policies that affect the health of the population. Simple stuff like require certain food additives or substitutes be banned in the US. Or that smoking should be banned because of cancer rates. Caffeine and sugar levels of beverages limited.

Those sound pretty good, but what is we take the next logical step. Lets say you want to marry a pretty little gal and go to get your marriage license. Well now you will need to have some blood work done. OH MY! appears that Suzies great Grandfather had Parkinson's disease, well we are trying to eradicate that from our society's gene pool so you two cant reproduce. Or you are not tall enough or multicultural enough, or people with red hair are more prone for sunburn and skin cancer. We are trying to eradicate that from the gene pool too.

Think that can't happen. Take a look at what Nazi Germany was trying to do with their population and their quest for the Master Race.

[JaMak84]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have,"

[cwink]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have,"

Not without a fight.. Have guns, will stockpile..

[CBRADGO]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have,"

Not without a fight.. Have guns, will stockpile..

Guns? What are those? All mine were stolen from me and or lost in a terrible _________ accident. No pow pows here, sorry Mr. Gubment Man...

[RebelYelp]

2 issues with the bill that are legitimate arguments... 1st, then 10th ammendment... the 2nd goes along with it in that the federal government cannot spend state government money, ie. the Brady Bill forcing the states to run the background checks as opposed to hiring their own staff. The way the bill is currently written, it will cost the states excess funding, ie. the states will be left to foot portions of the bill, and it has been argued and won in the past again that the federal government cannot spend state money.