HB1282 and HB1137 New deer season bills....

[TODO]

Ward, you know the MDWFP is a communist group whose sole unstated purpose is to destroy the outdoors in the state. All these jake legs know more than the MDWFP will ever know about deer management and resource management. Just ask them.

Thats the F'n truth. I know this much, the guys at MDWFP dont get paid enough for the shat they catch from every armchair quarterback in the state.

[MSDuckmen]

Bowhunters I R E P E A T ! ! ! ! ! Bowhunters are the only user group that can hunt the ENTIRE SEASON without having to change weapons. No other group is given that much of the resource yet they still complain that they don't have it all to themselves for 6 weeks straight.

DUCK-HUNT I know you are upset over this but the bottomline is that the bow hunters have it much better than all the other user groups combined.

its a flippin choice people.... WHY do people choose not to bowhunt.... OH lets see maybe because it is way harder to kill a mature deer....if you are too lazy to get out there and put in the extra effort and WORK to make it happen dont freakin whine about it....the opportunity is aready there. JUST like the people that whine to get wmas to a draw the opportunity is there already dont jack with em

They provided NO biological management reason to pass this bill it was strictly about MONEY$$$$$, I'm not comfortable with the state pimping out our resources for a dollar

and I'm not upset it went the way it should have gone.... and MSDUCKMEN I hunt bow only and have for the last 6 years and managed to get my limit on public land.

If you get your limit on public land then why are you so upset over this bill? It is not going to hinder you in anyway short of cutting two weeks of exclusive hunting. Are you tell me that you get your limit in the first six weeks only?

You keep saying it is about money and you really need to get your facts together. I have already told you why they were pushing it in a PM but you choose to only accept your version of it. It is really sad that you can't open your eyes to the big picture and are simply upset that you might not have all six weeks of exclusive rights to deer hunt with a bow.
What ever a reason a person has for not bow hunting is totally un-important what is important is that the only thing they are asking is that the bow hunters share two weeks of their exclusive hunting with a new user group (Crossbows) and allow another user group that is 5 times the size of the bow hunters group to get another two weeks to enjoy the heritage.

The state is not pimping out anything. They are doing what is needed.

[Seymore]

and Seymore I know a little about deer management and resource management I graduated 5 years ago with a degree in wildlife management/forestry and have been dabbling in it since I got out soooooooo I know more than you think....

Well damn it boy,why didn't you say so earlier? Just think of all the money the state could save by hiring you over the entire MDWFP. Good God the next legislative session I think a bill should be introduced that all rules and regulations be made by those who "dabble" in wildlife management. After all they know much more than we think.

I've got an MBA in finance yet I'm not calling up Ben Bernanke at the Fed and telling him he's a moron and I've got the plan for all the world's money woes.

[DUCK-HUNT]

HB 1282 will empower landowners and hunting clubs to harvest deer earlier in the season with a more efficient weapon,” Chad Dacus, Deer Program Coordinator. “This earlier deer harvest is needed on some properties across the state to help reduce the deer herd in areas with high numbers of deer vehicle collisions, crop damage, habitat damage, and out of balance sex ratios.”


according to this statement made by MR DACUS.... the bill was introduced to manage an out of balance deer herd.... do we have an unbalanced deer herd?????? who knows, I've never got a survey in the mail, never seen anybody checking deer in at a public land area, never been asked to report what I kill or see.... IS the deer herd unbalanced all across the state????? or just in certain areas.....

the bill was not introduced to INCREASE hunter opportunity it was introduced to fix a soooo called deer problem... I agree that some areas are have way too many deer while some areas have very few deer.... how can anyone with higher than a 5th grade education not see that managing the entire state under one plan is not the right thing to do

If you look at the last thing dacus said above "help fix out of balance sex ratios" this can be done a million diff ways besides increasing gun days.... and it is a proven FACT that increasing gun days will do nothing to the fix the doe problem cause most people are trophy hunting anyway...

the crop damage portion.... they already give out depredation permits and they REQUIRE you to leave it laying where you shot it...

and the statement about needed to thin the herd becasue of high rates of deer vehicle collisions... seems like somebody might be getting some kick backs....




IF It was well thought out plan and had some cold hard facts supporting what they where trying to do it would have been different but it didnt so......... I AM VERY HAPPY IT DIED< LONG LIVE THE EXCLUSIVE BOWSEASON WHERE ONLY THOSE THAT WHERE CHOSEN CAN HUNT


Thats it I'm done this thread has taken years off my life

[Seymore]

[b][size=150]and the statement about needed to thin the herd becasue of high rates of deer vehicle collisions... seems like somebody might be getting some kick backs....

Wow, not only have you shown yourself to be elitist, condescending, and arrogant with regard to others opinions. You have now accused members of the MDWFP of committing felonies. Incredible.

[70 sprig]

All I'm sayin is we got seven pages worth of goat hunters here . Why are MY public duck holes always so crowded ???? Why can't y'all just stay in the dam deer woods ??????

[MSDuckmen]

I AM VERY HAPPY IT DIED< LONG LIVE THE EXCLUSIVE BOWSEASON WHERE ONLY THOSE THAT WHERE CHOSEN CAN HUNT

Enjoy your victory as it is not over and will be seen again next year.

[Trip]

All I'm sayin is we got seven pages worth of goat hunters here . Why are MY public duck holes always so crowded ???? Why can't y'all just stay in the dam deer woods ??????

[JLT]

I'm not going to get into a pissin' match with anyone casue it's not worth it, but where I hunt most of the gun hunters are too lazy to clean a doe (this is a fact where I am at and I suspect in other places, but not pointed at ALL gun hunters) and in my opinion that is why there is a problem with herd balance. I do not think that these bills would have helped that at all. I think that most on here will agree that if you can't kill your does in the amount of time already given then you need to change the way that you do things. I am a bowhunter and did not want to see this happen, but I also realize that it will come back around time and time again. It just boils down to appealing to the masses and I know that from reading into Dan and most others on here's post over the years that we are all most concerned with the resource. I do not think that it is good for the sport as a whole as I think that it will continue to make more lazy hunters. I do not claim to know more than the MDWFP professionals and this is only my opinion which I am entitled to.......BTW I was dissapointed in the State for supporting this though. Now.....unleash the hounds on me!

[bigoak]

I agree with those that say this bill is all about money and generating more revenue from license sales. If the deer numbers need to be lowered then there are a ton of ways to do that without having to get legislative approval.

If it is not about money then why not eliminate the December and January primitive weapon season and have rifle season from Nov 20 until Jan 31? If it is not about money then why were they wanting to have a primitive weapon season starting Nov 1? Someone please explain to us why the MDWFP thinks we need a primitive weapon season in the first place? If it is not about money then what is the reason?????

[southernvaughan]

I hunt with snares and hand grenades. All year long!

[MSDuckmen]

I'm not going to get into a pissin' match with anyone casue it's not worth it, but where I hunt most of the gun hunters are too lazy to clean a doe (this is a fact where I am at and I suspect in other places, but not pointed at ALL gun hunters) and in my opinion that is why there is a problem with herd balance. I do not think that these bills would have helped that at all. I think that most on here will agree that if you can't kill your does in the amount of time already given then you need to change the way that you do things. I am a bowhunter and did not want to see this happen, but I also realize that it will come back around time and time again. It just boils down to appealing to the masses and I know that from reading into Dan and most others on here's post over the years that we are all most concerned with the resource. I do not think that it is good for the sport as a whole as I think that it will continue to make more lazy hunters. I do not claim to know more than the MDWFP professionals and this is only my opinion which I am entitled to.......BTW I was dissapointed in the State for supporting this though. Now.....unleash the hounds on me!

Your post has merit and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. If I had my choice we would go back to real Primative weapons during Primative weapon season.

[MSDuckmen]

If it is not about money then why not eliminate the December and January primitive weapon season and have rifle season from Nov 20 until Jan 31? If it is not about money then why were they wanting to have a primitive weapon season starting Nov 1? Someone please explain to us why the MDWFP thinks we need a primitive weapon season in the first place? If it is not about money then what is the reason?????

Think about what you said for a minute. Why do we have Bow Season? Gun Season? The reason has nothing to do with money and everything to do with the users. The reason we have seperate seasons is because there were users that pushed for it many years ago. People wanted to use black powder guns and not have to compete with modern weapons just as today you do not want to compete with primative weapons.

John Q public is the driving force for changes. Yes commercialism as stepped in and now drives some of the choices but none will come to pass without users pushing for it.

The Department is damed if they do and damed if they don't. Todays hunters are a very selfish group and they all want it their way and as much as they can get.

[bigoak]

So who is this group that is pushing for a primitive weapon season? I have not met any of them. Is there a Mississippi Handi Rifle Association pushing for a separate season for 45/70's and 444's? The only reason there is still a "Primitive Weapon" season is because there is a separate license attached to this season and it is a source of income for the MDWFP. It is going to be very difficult to prove that John Q Public is pushing for a "Primitive Weapon" season.

[JLT]

I agree with the part that says the Game and Fish Dept is danged if they do and danged if they don't. If the masses are speaking the MDWFP should (and they may have already done this and I am unaware of it) come out and just say........"we have 250,000 people that are in favor of lengthening the gun season and that is 5 times the amount of bow hunters that even exist in our state, so to keep the majority of the people that pay our salaries happy we are going to give the gun hunters the option to hunt the first few weeks of November". It seems to me that this would take away a lot of the finger pointing and everyone would have facts, but just like in any political setting everybody is trying to keep everybody happy. Someone is eventually going to be upset with the outcome and unfortunately it will probably be the bowhunters because I would assume that they are the minority in this case. It just don't seem right to be able to hunt with a gun that early. I just can't buy into the fact that this will in any way change the structure of our deer herd. That will not happen until the majority of hunters are on the same page, or the state is able to afford to put us on the same page. Again......this is my opinion and you know what opinions are like.