HB1282 and HB1137 New deer season bills....

[The Land Man]

Incase you didn't know

I'll use zone three as an example. It is legal to harvest deer with bow from Oct 1-Jan 31. That's 123 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a bow vs the 75 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a gun. The bill proposed increasing the gun season to 90 days while retaining all 123 days for bow, thus still allowing bow hunters 33 more days of opportunity than gun hunters. My argument isn't biological. It is purely about equal opportunity for all deer hunters in the state, regardless by which method they choose to use. You seem to have no problem with increased opportunities in regards to duck hunters. Why the sudden change of heart with deer hunters?

So you think that only fair way to have is to have a 4 month choice your weapon season then? That is a genius idea!!

[DUCK-HUNT]

IN CASE YOU DIDNT KNOW:


AS the season stands now as far as number of days per weapon:

45 days of BOW
75 days of GUN

If the bill would have passed

30 days of BOW
90 days of GUN

Incase you didn't know

I'll use zone three as an example. It is legal to harvest deer with bow from Oct 1-Jan 31. That's 123 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a bow vs the 75 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a gun. The bill proposed increasing the gun season to 90 days while retaining all 123 days for bow, thus still allowing bow hunters 33 more days of opportunity than gun hunters. My argument isn't biological. It is purely about equal opportunity for all deer hunters in the state, regardless by which method they choose to use. You seem to have no problem with increased opportunities in regards to duck hunters. Why the sudden change of heart with deer hunters?

Look EVERYONE I R E P E A T ! ! ! ! ! EVERYONE has the opportunity to deer hunt 123 days a year.... some are just too lazy, or say its too hot, or I dont have the money, or I'm scared of treestands..... WHATEVER....

I'm not for increasing anything so quit putting words in my mouth.... just dont take the opportunity away...

and oh by the way how did the late primitive weapon season come about????? oh um lets see.........

A bunch of bowhunters got together and the MBA and lobbied to have it after the regular gun season..... and when we lobbied to have this late season we NEVER not once asked to have it for bow only.... we that choose to bow hunt arent asking for anything just leave it be


And like I stated above if the DEPT could have come up with a logical way to present the facts that we have way too many deer, and the fact that increasing gun days would better help manage the herd I would have listened but with a wildlife background nothing they said could be backed up with facts....

SOOOOO Jamak84.......... I'm done with you until you show me evidence to support the NEED for a 90 day gun season

[RiverDuck]

IN CASE YOU DIDNT KNOW:


AS the season stands now as far as number of days per weapon:

45 days of BOW
75 days of GUN

If the bill would have passed

30 days of BOW
90 days of GUN

Incase you didn't know

I'll use zone three as an example. It is legal to harvest deer with bow from Oct 1-Jan 31. That's 123 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a bow vs the 75 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a gun. The bill proposed increasing the gun season to 90 days while retaining all 123 days for bow, thus still allowing bow hunters 33 more days of opportunity than gun hunters. My argument isn't biological. It is purely about equal opportunity for all deer hunters in the state, regardless by which method they choose to use. You seem to have no problem with increased opportunities in regards to duck hunters. Why the sudden change of heart with deer hunters?

Look EVERYONE I R E P E A T ! ! ! ! ! EVERYONE has the opportunity to deer hunt 123 days a year.... some are just too lazy, or say its too hot, or I dont have the money, or I'm scared of treestands..... WHATEVER....

I'm not for increasing anything so quit putting words in my mouth.... just dont take the opportunity away...

and oh by the way how did the late primitive weapon season come about????? oh um lets see.........

A bunch of bowhunters got together and the MBA and lobbied to have it after the regular gun season..... and when we lobbied to have this late season we NEVER not once asked to have it for bow only.... we that choose to bow hunt arent asking for anything just leave it be


And like I stated above if the DEPT could have come up with a logical way to present the facts that we have way too many deer, and the fact that increasing gun days would better help manage the herd I would have listened but with a wildlife background nothing they said could be backed up with facts....

SOOOOO Jamak84.......... I'm done with you until you show me evidence to support the NEED for a 90 day gun season

Crackapaaayoooooouuuuu!!!

[dukhntn]

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Smartest thing said this entire thread.

One way or the other, we should all be glad and not take for granted the deer population that spurred the bill and caused this debate. It could always be worse, just look at some of the northern states and the short, highly regulated seasons that they have. We have 1/3 of the year that deer season is open, and comparatively little regulation as far as weapon of choice.

[BR549]

Any of yall notice it's always the same 3 or 4 guys that a whinning about how the state is taking away from THEM?????? Way I see it and the same way the state sees it is you have from Oct 1 to Jan 31st to hunt with a bow! That has not changed, will not change, nor has anyone even tried to change it! Now bowhunters, you are in the minority when it comes to total deer hunters. Thus by allowing the gun hunters a little more time in the woods, WHILE STILL NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE BOWHUNTERS. It will increase the number of deer killed. There is only one other state to compare populations like we have and that is AL. They are hunting just as long as we are if not longer!
Now also the state can't afford to do away with a primative season all together and just make it choice on weapons. They would loose way to much revenue. They made the rules more lax on the primitive weapons why? To make more people want to hunt with one! Thus making money circulate! Plus on their end generate more primitive weapons liscense sales! Plus giving more people opportunities to take a deer! Isnt that what it's all about? Isn't that the Dept Of Wildlifes job? To manage our states resources and promote the proper harvest of the game to balance everything out while giving the maximum opportunities for John Q Public to be able to hunt and kill a deer?

Yall are simply whinning because you are afraid you might have to share! Same with the draw thing. It's not taking away opportunities to hunt. It actually manages the land more properly. It does however keep the same one or two or three from hunting it like their own and give more people chances at it. That what yall are whinning about. You won't have the opportunity to be exclusive. IT'S PUBLIC LAND FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!! That means everyone should have equal opportunity to enjoy it! Because of the explosion of the popularity of hunting again and all the whinning about this and that that was the ONLY choice the Dept had! Now stop being the problem and try to help FIX the problem!

[MSDuckmen]

Look EVERYONE I R E P E A T ! ! ! ! ! EVERYONE has the opportunity to deer hunt 123 days a year.... some are just too lazy, or say its too hot, or I dont have the money, or I'm scared of treestands..... WHATEVER....

Bowhunters I R E P E A T ! ! ! ! ! Bowhunters are the only user group that can hunt the ENTIRE SEASON without having to change weapons. No other group is given that much of the resource yet they still complain that they don't have it all to themselves for 6 weeks straight.

DUCK-HUNT I know you are upset over this but the bottomline is that the bow hunters have it much better than all the other user groups combined.

[DUCK-HUNT]

Bowhunters I R E P E A T ! ! ! ! ! Bowhunters are the only user group that can hunt the ENTIRE SEASON without having to change weapons. No other group is given that much of the resource yet they still complain that they don't have it all to themselves for 6 weeks straight.

DUCK-HUNT I know you are upset over this but the bottomline is that the bow hunters have it much better than all the other user groups combined.

its a flippin choice people.... WHY do people choose not to bowhunt.... OH lets see maybe because it is way harder to kill a mature deer....if you are too lazy to get out there and put in the extra effort and WORK to make it happen dont freakin whine about it....the opportunity is aready there. JUST like the people that whine to get wmas to a draw the opportunity is there already dont jack with em

They provided NO biological management reason to pass this bill it was strictly about MONEY$$$$$, I'm not comfortable with the state pimping out our resources for a dollar

and I'm not upset it went the way it should have gone.... and MSDUCKMEN I hunt bow only and have for the last 6 years and managed to get my limit on public land.

[DUCK-HUNT]

Any of yall notice it's always the same 3 or 4 guys that a whinning about how the state is taking away from THEM?????? Way I see it and the same way the state sees it is you have from Oct 1 to Jan 31st to hunt with a bow! That has not changed, will not change, nor has anyone even tried to change it! Now bowhunters, you are in the minority when it comes to total deer hunters. Thus by allowing the gun hunters a little more time in the woods, WHILE STILL NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE BOWHUNTERS. It will increase the number of deer killed.WRONG I researched it There is only one other state to compare populations like we have and that is ALThey dont manage their entire state under one blanket. They are hunting just as long as we are if not longer!
Now also the state can't afford to do away with a primative season all together and just make it choice on weapons. They would loose way to much revenue. They made the rules more lax on the primitive weapons why? To make more people want to hunt with one! Thus making money circulate! Plus on their end generate more primitive weapons liscense sales! YEP couldnt agree more, they did it to pimp out our resourcesPlus giving more people opportunities to take a deer! Isnt that what it's all about? Isn't that the Dept Of Wildlifes job? To manage our states resources and promote the proper harvest of the game to balance everything out while giving the maximum opportunities for John Q Public to be able to hunt and kill a deer? Yep it sure is but it wasnt a management tool

Yall are simply whinning because you are afraid you might have to share! Same with the draw thing. It's not taking away opportunities to hunt. It actually manages the land more properly. It does however keep the same one or two or three from hunting it like their own and give more people chances at it. That what yall are whinning about. You won't have the opportunity to be exclusive. IT'S PUBLIC LAND FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!! That means everyone should have equal opportunity to enjoy it! I agree 100% everyone should have the chance at it not just those that get drawnBecause of the explosion of the popularity of hunting again and all the whinning about this and that that was the ONLY choice the Dept had! Now stop being the problem and try to help FIX the problem!

Thank you SOOOOOOO much BR549 you just proved my point.... it was not a biological, or management reason they wanted the bill past it was all about $$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$

We are finally agreeing on some things BR549

[BR549]

That's just part of it man. But you ever hear the old addage of don't talk with your mouth full? All you are doing is causing the state to have to resort to these type of tactic to control the people that think the state "OWES" them something! You pay for your priviledge to hunt in this state and every other state in the union! It's not a right! Yet you want to bitch about that priviledge. If you don't like it then just quit hunting! Quit buying your liscense and just go do something else! I never said Al covered the whole state under one blanket. I don't hunt enough over there to say exactly how they do it. But just stated a fact that the numbers for them run similar to ours and they hunt just as long if not longer than we do. Do we have certian areas more populated than others? Sure we do! We have areas that need thinning down bad! But we also have areas that still need protecting. Hunting private lands and hunting "PUBLIC" areas are 2 different things. That's what DMAP and FEEMAP were created for! But as far as public areas it's a tough one to handle at best!. They have to basicaly manage for quanity istead of quality to try to give the John Q. Public a greater opportunity to kill a deer let alone several deer! I support the Dept of Wildlife and their decisions 110% wether I like it or not! You should too!

[Seymore]

Ward, you know the MDWFP is a communist group whose sole unstated purpose is to destroy the outdoors in the state. All these jake legs know more than the MDWFP will ever know about deer management and resource management. Just ask them.

[DUCK-HUNT]

That's just part of it man. But you ever hear the old addage of don't talk with your mouth full? All you are doing is causing the state to have to resort to these type of tactic to control the people that think the state "OWES" them something! You pay for your priviledge to hunt in this state and every other state in the union! It's not a right! Yet you want to bitch about that priviledge. If you don't like it then just quit hunting! Quit buying your liscense and just go do something else! I never said Al covered the whole state under one blanket. I don't hunt enough over there to say exactly how they do it. But just stated a fact that the numbers for them run similar to ours and they hunt just as long if not longer than we do. Do we have certian areas more populated than others? Sure we do! We have areas that need thinning down bad! But we also have areas that still need protecting. Hunting private lands and hunting "PUBLIC" areas are 2 different things. That's what DMAP and FEEMAP were created for! But as far as public areas it's a tough one to handle at best!. They have to basicaly manage for quanity istead of quality to try to give the John Q. Public a greater opportunity to kill a deer let alone several deer! I support the Dept of Wildlife and their decisions 110% wether I like it or not! You should too!

I'm not the one causing the state to do anything.... I like things just the way they are. Its the people that want it EASIER that get the balls rolling on these type of things.... If they would just leave things the way they are you would never here a aound out of me but when they go to making "CHANGE" thats when I want to see some cold hard facts as to how "CHANGE" is better for the resources.... couldnt show me the facts on how this was going to HELP our deer herd, cant manage a migratory bird at the state level you can only provide habitat and hope they show....

and about the AL thing I agree they have similar numbers to ours BUT they manage it the way they should, break it down by county, region etc.... dont do like MS is tryin and put the entire state under one management plan, its ignorant. I agree with again BR549 on the fact that some areas need to kill way more deer than other and some areas dont need to shoot anything.....

I dont support ANYTHING that I know is wrong.... ANYTHING!!

[DUCK-HUNT]

Ward, you know the MDWFP is a communist group whose sole unstated purpose is to destroy the outdoors in the state. All these jake legs know more than the MDWFP will ever know about deer management and resource management. Just ask them.

they are quickly on the way to doing it

The state has some wonderful people and very intelligent people in the biologist, LEO, and area manger roles BUT it is the people highter up the ladder that are screwing things up... I feel for the biologist they have no choice but to do as told because MONEY is tight in the DEPT right now and they are doing everything they can to keep their head above water..... there are othere ways to raise money than to PIMP our resources out....

and Seymore I know a little about deer management and resource management I graduated 5 years ago with a degree in wildlife management/forestry and have been dabbling in it since I got out soooooooo I know more than you think....

[BR549]

Oh so you learned how to grow pine trees too huh! And seymore I hear ya! When you gonna come down a drink a beer! I think Im going to the golf course as soon as I get this house back in order! We got our house flooded yesterday! What a bitch! Im ready for a little R&R and a good stiff drink! Not argueing with these yahoo's!

[Greenhead22]

Y'all have given me a damn headache.

[Coldtrain_1]

[quote="DUCK-HUNT"]Increasing the length of gun season is not going to increase deer harvest or fix an out of balance deer herd.

+1 Increasing the gun season is only going to decrease the number of mature bucks. IMO!!!
The majority, NOTICE I SAID MAJORITY, are only concerned with how large of a rack they can kill. They aren't hunting with conservation in mind. They don't want any meat, so they see no reason to kill a doe. From my own experience, I know more bow hunters than gun hunters that kill does throughout the year. Because it is difficult to get any deer within 40 yards, I see any deer killed with a bow to be a trophy, buck or doe. Any wahoo can kill a deer at 200 yards with a gun, but it takes patience and skill to take one with a bow.

Well, I have put my $.02 in so I will just slip to the back of the room and continue to watch.