HB1282 and HB1137 New deer season bills....

[The Land Man]

So you're telling me if i take two kids and raise one with bow only and one with a gun the bowkid will be a better sportsman/conservationist.......i didn't wanna get in this conversation but that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard.

I think thats what he is saying and I would have to agree with him, anybody can pick up a rifle and go sit in a shooting house on a foot plot and kill a deer and it doesn't matter if they have ever shot a gun before or not.

Just so were clear, could i not go down to the archery sto, buy a $1,000 dolla bow with all the new gadgets, have them sight it in, go sit on a food plot, and arrow a deer? Wait, i could. What your failing to realize is that just because you hunt with a gun means *!@#@* on how you hunt. Do i hunt foodplots? Sure, on occasion i do. But i mainly try to be where the buck im hunting is. What does weapon have to do with it? Your ideas amuse me, they really do.

So now bow hunting is as easy as rifle hunting?

[riverat]

So you're telling me if i take two kids and raise one with bow only and one with a gun the bowkid will be a better sportsman/conservationist.......i didn't wanna get in this conversation but that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard.

I think thats what he is saying and I would have to agree with him, anybody can pick up a rifle and go sit in a shooting house on a foot plot and kill a deer and it doesn't matter if they have ever shot a gun before or not.

okay well if we're gonna be speaking theoretically(sp?), more deer are wounded and not found by a bowhunters than rifle hunters. so the 12 year old out shooting deer in the leg at 40 yards and the kid sitting in a box stand dropping deer in their tracks is a better conservationist?

i'm a bowhunter/gunhunter and either opinion on the law has its good sides and is fine to me, but when you go around bragging that the bowhunter is a better conservationist/sportsmen that's prolly why you got all the rifle hunters peaved off at ya. what a weapon a man carries into the woods has no merit to what kinda of sportsman he is.....period.

[TODO]

i'm a bowhunter/gunhunter and either opinion on the law has its good sides and is fine to me, but when you go around bragging that the bowhunter is a better conservationist/sportsmen that's prolly why you got all the rifle hunters peaved off at ya. what a weapon a man carries into the woods has no merit to what kinda of sportsman he is.....period.

Well said

[JaMak84]

DUCK-HUNT I just can't figure you out. In one thread your adamantly opposed to any regulations that limit how and when you duck hunt, but then have no problem supporting regulation that limits how and when other sportsmen deer hunt?????

[dukhntn]

So you're telling me if i take two kids and raise one with bow only and one with a gun the bowkid will be a better sportsman/conservationist.......i didn't wanna get in this conversation but that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard.

I think thats what he is saying and I would have to agree with him, anybody can pick up a rifle and go sit in a shooting house on a foot plot and kill a deer and it doesn't matter if they have ever shot a gun before or not.

okay well if we're gonna be speaking theoretically(sp?), more deer are wounded and not found by a bowhunters than rifle hunters. so the 12 year old out shooting deer in the leg at 40 yards and the kid sitting in a box stand dropping deer in their tracks is a better conservationist?

i'm a bowhunter/gunhunter and either opinion on the law has its good sides and is fine to me, but when you go around bragging that the bowhunter is a better conservationist/sportsmen that's prolly why you got all the rifle hunters peaved off at ya. what a weapon a man carries into the woods has no merit to what kinda of sportsman he is.....period.

I agree with you about what weapon a man chooses to hunt with doesn't make him a better sportsman, but doubt that more deer are not recovered by bowhunters than rifle hunters.
As a result of the sheer numbers of gun hunters in the woods vs. bow hunters this statement cannot be true (we had several more deer wounded by rifle than bows in my camp). There are slob hunter that hunt with guns, and there are slob hunters that hunt with bows as well. If someone is willing to take a risky shot with a bow and wound an animal, they are just as likely (if not more likely) to do it with a gun.

I am also a bow/gun hunter and would've been fine if the law did pass, but I'm glad it didn't.

[Seymore]

DUCK-HUNT I just can't figure you out. In one thread your adamantly opposed to any regulations that limit how and when you duck hunt, but then have no problem supporting regulation that limits how and when other sportsmen deer hunt?????

Yep, that's a very good observation right there. Be interested to hear how the differing opinions are reconciled with each other.

[DUCK-HUNT]

DUCK-HUNT I just can't figure you out. In one thread your adamantly opposed to any regulations that limit how and when you duck hunt, but then have no problem supporting regulation that limits how and when other sportsmen deer hunt?????

I am all about leaving hunting as it is.... dont take away the opportunity to be able to freelance on public land and dont take away the opportunity to be able to bowhunt without fifty bazillion people in the woods running up and down the road on 4 wheelers and if the dept could have come up with a BIOLOGICAL reason and show me FACTS as to how having more gun days will increase deer harvest (it hasnt worked in any other state), and that we need to increase deer harvest I MIGHT would have gone along with it but they couldnt. And if the state has too many deer let NR license holders kill deer on public ground, up the doe harvest, no limit on how many you can kill a day.... Lots of ways to do it without taking away from one user group

AND Ja mama K & SEYMORE.... i'll say it againBOWSEASON IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY if you dont choose to bowhunt then so be it for whatever reason... I'm not supporting any regulation to limit anything the bill was designed to take AWAY from those that chose to get out there with a bow. Just like the draw takes away from the freelance hunter.

The new bills that where introduced where to stimulate Primitive weapon license sales to get more money flowing through the dept and try to get more NR to buy a license... why wouldnt they want to.... COME TO MS WHERE YOU CAN GUN HUNT ALL YEAR LONG AND SHOOT WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO ENFORCE THE LAWS.....

[The Land Man]

okay well if we're gonna be speaking theoretically(sp?), more deer are wounded and not found by a bowhunters than rifle hunters. so the 12 year old out shooting deer in the leg at 40 yards and the kid sitting in a box stand dropping deer in their tracks is a better conservationist?

If you believe that you are crazy! I have lost 3 deer with a bow in the last 20 years and I have lost probably a dozen with a rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader. Like I said anybody young or old can take a rifle and kill a deer from 10 to 200 yards with no experience but it takes a little more skill and scouting/woodsmanship to get a deer up close and personal and draw and pull it all together.

[Seymore]

DUCK-HUNT I just can't figure you out. In one thread your adamantly opposed to any regulations that limit how and when you duck hunt, but then have no problem supporting regulation that limits how and when other sportsmen deer hunt?????

I am all about leaving hunting as it is.... dont take away the opportunity to be able to freelance on public land and dont take away the opportunity to be able to bowhunt without fifty bazillion people in the woods running up and down the road on 4 wheelers and if the dept could have come up with a BIOLOGICAL reason and show me FACTS as to how having more gun days will increase deer harvest (it hasnt worked in any other state), and that we need to increase deer harvest I MIGHT would have gone along with it but they couldnt. And if the state has too many deer let NR license holders kill deer on public ground, up the doe harvest, no limit on how many you can kill a day.... Lots of ways to do it without taking away from one user group

AND Ja mama K & SEYMORE.... i'll say it againBOWSEASON IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY if you dont choose to bowhunt then so be it for whatever reason... I'm not supporting any regulation to limit anything the bill was designed to take AWAY from those that chose to get out there with a bow. Just like the draw takes away from the freelance hunter.

The new bills that where introduced where to stimulate Primitive weapon license sales to get more money flowing through the dept and try to get more NR to buy a license... why wouldnt they want to.... COME TO MS WHERE YOU CAN GUN HUNT ALL YEAR LONG AND SHOOT WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO ENFORCE THE LAWS.....

Well, I've got some comments about that but you'd probably just call me a liar again and start more personal attacks. Therefore, best of luck protecting the seasons and regulations as you feel they should be written and forced on everyone else.

[JaMak84]

Ja mama K, cute. You think of that all by yourself? Please show me where the bill limited bow hunters opportunities. As I read it, it was written to increase opportunities for gun hunters. I thought you were for increased opportunities for all sportsmen, or is it just increased opportunities for you? Now, had the bill been written to decrease the number of days for bow season to equal the same number of days as gun season you might have a legitimate argument. I was under the impression that I was dealing with a grown-up, but clearly I was mistaken. If this is the type of mentality the wildlife department has to deal with on a daily basis then I can completely understand why they just throw up their hands and say, "screw it!" Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[The Land Man]

Now, had the bill been written to decrease the number of days for bow season to equal the same number of days as gun season you might have a legitimate argument.

That's exactly what the bill was going to do if passed.

[MSDuckmen]

okay well if we're gonna be speaking theoretically(sp?), more deer are wounded and not found by a bowhunters than rifle hunters. so the 12 year old out shooting deer in the leg at 40 yards and the kid sitting in a box stand dropping deer in their tracks is a better conservationist?

If you believe that you are crazy! I have lost 3 deer with a bow in the last 20 years and I have lost probably a dozen with a rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader. Like I said anybody young or old can take a rifle and kill a deer from 10 to 200 yards with no experience but it takes a little more skill and scouting/woodsmanship to get a deer up close and personal and draw and pull it all together.

BAWAHAHAHA Well if any body young or old can take a rifle and kill a deer from 10 to 200 yards with firearms then why the hell have you lost a dozen with a gun... and only 3 with a bow? seems to me you need to spend more time on the range and less shooting a bow.
It is no doubt that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth with that statement. Why no just be a man and say what you really mean and that is that you do not want to share that time with anyone and that is the real reason. being selfish is very much a part of the bow hunting user group. Just to be clear all groups have their entitlement problems.

Just as I stated earlier it is all about user groups and what they feel they are entitled to.

[DUCK-HUNT]

Ja mama K, cute. You think of that all by yourself? Please show me where the bill limited bow hunters opportunities. As I read it, it was written to increase opportunities for gun hunters. I thought you were for increased opportunities for all sportsmen, or is it just increased opportunities for you? Now, had the bill been written to decrease the number of days for bow season to equal the same number of days as gun season you might have a legitimate argument. I was under the impression that I was dealing with a grown-up, but clearly I was mistaken. If this is the type of mentality the wildlife department has to deal with on a daily basis then I can completely understand why they just throw up their hands and say, "screw it!" Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

IN CASE YOU DIDNT KNOW:


AS the season stands now as far as number of days per weapon:

45 days of BOW
75 days of GUN

If the bill would have passed

30 days of BOW
90 days of GUN

If you cant kill 5 doe in 75 days you either DONT have a "TOO MANY DEER" problem or dont give 2 $#!+ about killing 5 doe... Increasing the length of gun season is not going to increase deer harvest or fix an out of balance deer herd.
I'm not for it :
#1 reason its not a biological reason they are doing this, with a background in Wildlife mngmt the evidence is not out there, I have looked, talking with other biologist they are saying the same thing (one of the biologist for one of the largest timber companies in the US was one of the leading spokespeople to get this thing killed),
#2 the increased number of GUN days would take away opportunities for some people to harvest a deer with a bow...
#3 you cant manage a whole start under the same guidelines not all places in MS do yo need to kill more doe but in some places you do.... There is no way in hell the red clay hills of central MS should be managed the same as the fertile land in the delta etc...


and I will say it AGAIN BOWSEASON IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY>>>> its not exclusive to bowhunters....leaving the seasons as they are is not taking any opportunties away from anyone...... once gun season opens whitetail deer become a whole different animal.... I still CHOOSE to use a bow all season but once the guns go to blazing it becomes a whole new ball game....


i could go on all night....

SEYMORE PLEASE say what you are thinking its an open discussion forum...

J mama K <<<<<<< that is kinda of gay, wish I could take that back

[The Land Man]

okay well if we're gonna be speaking theoretically(sp?), more deer are wounded and not found by a bowhunters than rifle hunters. so the 12 year old out shooting deer in the leg at 40 yards and the kid sitting in a box stand dropping deer in their tracks is a better conservationist?

If you believe that you are crazy! I have lost 3 deer with a bow in the last 20 years and I have lost probably a dozen with a rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader. Like I said anybody young or old can take a rifle and kill a deer from 10 to 200 yards with no experience but it takes a little more skill and scouting/woodsmanship to get a deer up close and personal and draw and pull it all together.

BAWAHAHAHA Well if any body young or old can take a rifle and kill a deer from 10 to 200 yards with firearms then why the hell have you lost a dozen with a gun... and only 3 with a bow? seems to me you need to spend more time on the range and less shooting a bow.
It is no doubt that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth with that statement. Why no just be a man and say what you really mean and that is that you do not want to share that time with anyone and that is the real reason. being selfish is very much a part of the bow hunting user group. Just to be clear all groups have their entitlement problems.

Just as I stated earlier it is all about user groups and what they feel they are entitled to.

Don't you wish you were only half as smart as you thought you are, yes anyone can take a rifle and kill a deer from 10 to 200 yards and yes I have probably lost a dozen with a rifle but they were all much further than 200 yards and I thought I could make the shot at the time. Two of the three I lost with my bow were inside of 20 yards and the other was at 42. I rifle hunt as well as bow hunt and I would hate to see any season cut and I would defiantly hate to see a change that would not do any good to the herd and may be the biggest mistake that the department has ever made. Maybe one day Mr. Duckman when I grow up I can be as cool and knowledgeable as you!

[JaMak84]

IN CASE YOU DIDNT KNOW:


AS the season stands now as far as number of days per weapon:

45 days of BOW
75 days of GUN

If the bill would have passed

30 days of BOW
90 days of GUN

Incase you didn't know

I'll use zone three as an example. It is legal to harvest deer with bow from Oct 1-Jan 31. That's 123 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a bow vs the 75 days that a person could legally harvest a deer with a gun. The bill proposed increasing the gun season to 90 days while retaining all 123 days for bow, thus still allowing bow hunters 33 more days of opportunity than gun hunters. My argument isn't biological. It is purely about equal opportunity for all deer hunters in the state, regardless by which method they choose to use. You seem to have no problem with increased opportunities in regards to duck hunters. Why the sudden change of heart with deer hunters?