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Postby webfoot » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:31 pm

FAQ from DU Governmental Affairs:

Does DU cooperate with other governmental and non-profit organizations?

Yes, DU has always been willing to cooperate with any other organization that shares our habitat mission.

However, DU does not make financial donations to other conservation groups. :?

We do enter into contractual relationships with other organizations when we share a common habitat objective on a particular piece of land. These contractual relationships are business agreements designed to take advantage of the expertise or financial contributions of another group on a project that will benefit North America's waterfowl.

According to the 2001 Annual Financial Statement from; The Land Conservancy of British Columbia had a Loan payable to Ducks Unlimited, non-interest bearing for $60,000.

Founded in 1997, The Land Conservancy is a non-profit, charitable Land Trust working throughout British Columbia. TLC protects important habitat for plants, animals and natural communities as well as properties with historical, cultural, scientific, scenic or compatible recreational value.
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Postby Don Miller in Birmingham » Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:56 pm

What do you mean DU doesn't feed ducks? Who does the dump trucks full of corn with duck head logos on them belong to? Must have been about 20 in a convoy headed up I-55 on their way to Missouri. :lol: Seriously though, my main beef with DU is the groups they are affiliated with both directly and inderectly and the fact that DU refuses to adopt preditor management on high density nesting areas even though the research shows that preditor management works (5 fold increase) in these nesting areas. The proof is in the pudding....case in point Kelly's Slough in ND. It had everything a nesting duck needs to have a successful hatch but had less than 10% nest success. Preditor Management was implimented and the next year they had close to 50% nest success. How can you argue with that?
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Postby sportsman450 » Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:45 am

Ole Bufflehead wrote:Chad has stated that DU does not and has not been "feeding ducks". Does anyone have any concrete proof or evidence otherwise? If not, then in IMO, you sound pretty silly making such assertions.


The only official statement I've seen from DU about feeding ducks,was a rambling statement that said they didn't feed them for the purpose of short-stopping them.They didn't say flat out that they weren't feeding them.It was a lot like the old non-denial denials that were heard back in Washington years ago.(EXtra points to anybody who remembers what I'm talikng about.)

I'm not saying they're feeding ducks.I don't know,but if they're not,why not say so.In flat out,absolute terms,with no wiggle room?

If someone has an official statement from DU, to this affect,please provide link.I would love to see it.
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:23 am

Sportsman, I think Chad has already answered your question. Chad works full time for DU, so presumably he speaks for DU on this point. So far, I have found Chad to be accurate with respect to his factual assertions. ( I may disagree with him from time to time re opinions on duck management issues. ) So, unless YOU have evidence to the contrary, which you have yet to divulge, I think you sound pretty silly making these assertions. But, like I said before, we've never let the facts get in the way of a good rant on this board. :roll:
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Postby AvianQuest » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:27 am

Sportsman450....


February 8, 2002

Ken Babcock
Director of Operations
Southern Regional Office
Ducks Unlimited, Inc.
Jackson, Mississippi.

Open Letter to DU members, volunteers, staff and fellow waterfowl hunters:

There are rumors afoot among the waterfowl hunting community in parts of several Southern states that are so far-fetched that until now we have elected not to address them.

I’m referring to the notion that Ducks Unlimited has somehow promoted, funded, participated in, or otherwise had a hand in feeding ducks up north to shortstop and prevent them from migrating to wintering areas further south, in the Mississippi Flyway. These Allegations Are Totally False! The accusation is so far removed from what DU is all about that we’ve not paid it much attention. However, it appears these preposterous rumors are spreading like wildfire and it’s time to pour cold water on them once and for all! The suggestion that Ducks Unlimited, the one waterfowl and wetlands conservation organization that has worked tirelessly for the last 65 years to put habitat on the ground in every flyway throughout North America, would engage in such activity is totally inconsistent with DU’s mission, its history, or past actions. When you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense---economically, biologically, or practically. Why would DU do anything that would take hunting opportunity away from our loyal membership in the South? A high percentage of DU’s membership is in this region and our members are our customers. Why would we do anything that would be a dis-service to our customers?

Hunters in northern portions of the Central and Mississippi Flyways had a relatively good duck season. Most southern hunters did not. But, as any seasoned waterfowl hunter will tell you, hunting success has more to do with the weather than anything else. Many southern waterfowlers were discouraged about not seeing more ducks in the South this past hunting season. This was on the heels of an excellent season last year, brought about by severe weather north of us.

George Vandel, Assistant Director with South Dakota Game, Fish and Parks reports that waterfowl hunters in northern and mid-latitude states had one of the best duck hunting seasons they can remember but that’s not because Ducks Unlimited, or anybody else for that matter, fed them. Most of South Dakota’s ducks have moved farther south now but that’s because most of their wetlands are finally frozen and the fields are covered with snow.

Jerry Conley, Director of the Missouri Department of Conservation, scoffed at the notion that DU would have anything to do with artificially feeding waterfowl in his state. In Jerry’s words, “DU has played a critical role in helping our department develop top-quality waterfowl and wetland habitat throughout Missouri over the last 20 years. The success our waterfowl hunters enjoyed this past season was the product of years of work to establish a network of conservation areas that offers waterfowl everything they need to exist for as long as the weather permits. Once those wetlands freeze over or the surrounding food resources become depleted or covered with snow, they move on. This past duck season none of that occurred and as a result, we had ducks all season long… and still do for that matter!”

Many of the birds, primarily mallards, simply never flew south this year, as evidenced by annual inventory counts conducted by state and federal agencies. The Mid-Winter Inventory count was flown in the South from January 7-11. Louisiana results are typical: Its habitat is supporting about 3.3 million birds this year, in contrast to last winter’s inventory of more than 5 million.

Not only are the counts down due to abnormal migration but also heavy rains in parts of the South produced some of the most extensive flooding of lowland forest and agricultural land the region has seen in several winters. More than 9 inches of rain fell in a three-day period in late November across much of Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. As a result, waterfowl habitat conditions in the region were superb……really great for ducks, but really frustrating for duck hunters. I know this is little consolation for those of us who lost count of the number of times we came home from our blind with little more than another “great outdoor experience,” but we should not lose sight of why we belong to Ducks Unlimited and give so generously of our time, energy and resources. We should take comfort in the fact that continental populations of most waterfowl species are still at or above long-term goals. As we look to the future, we need to stay focused on the most important issue for waterfowl…. and that is habitat conservation. Early indications tell us that the breeding grounds in Canada and in the Dakotas are swinging toward a dry cycle, and that means continental populations may start to decline. We need to do everything we can to conserve waterfowl habitat so we can maintain healthy populations of birds like we have had in recent years. Our best hope to have healthy waterfowl populations tomorrow is if we all work together to conserve their habitat today.

DU is a volunteer-driven organization with over 1 million supporters in the United States. We have raised over $1.4 billion in our 65-year history and conserved more than 10 million acres of wetland habitat throughout Canada, the United States and Mexico. DU’s mission is to support the annual life-cycle needs of North America’s waterfowl by protecting, restoring, enhancing and managing important wetlands and associated uplands. We’re proud that 83 cents out of every dollar we raise goes into habitat conservation. I can assure you that DU is focused on its mission and that we would not under any circumstances, engage in, promote or direct any of our member’s funds toward the artificial feeding of waterfowl in an attempt to alter waterfowl migration routes or timing. It’s time to get on with more important matters. I encourage every one of you to squelch these rumors whenever the opportunity arises and to re-focus your attention, and that of your friends, colleagues, and even our detractors, back onto what DU is really all about….the conservation of North America’s waterfowl and wetland resources.

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Postby Caller1 » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:30 am

IF, I say IF DU is feeding some ducks please give into how much they would have to feed to really SHORT STOP a flight of ducks. COME ON. Lot more likely that the MO farmer is short stopping ducks. That the Arkansas/ Mississippi farmer is also short stopping ducks. They only pour out around 5% on the ground. 5% of 160 bushel rice. 8 bu. per acre times 1.6 million acres in MS and AR. HMMMMM. Same 5% in MO and their 250,000 acres (just of rice not to mention beans and corn). HMMMM How many trucks can DU hire to compete with that. By that reckoning, Lousianna shouldn't have a duck, should they, because they are all being "short stopped" in MS and AR. ITS ALL IN THE WEATHER!!!!!
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Postby AvianQuest » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:42 am

Yeah...

As a non-profit organization, DU has to account for every dollar they take in and spend both to an independent auditor and the IRS. All of this is available for public access, and not one dollar has been spent on corn or other feed for ducks.

Fact is, corn is not something you want ducks to be feeding on for an extended time. Wild ducks must have the native seeds produced in their habiat for good health....

What Do Mallards Eat?

25% typically consists of the following plants:

Burhead sedge
River Bulrush
Fringe Rushes
Flat sedges
Saw-grass

13% typically consists of the following grasses:

Wild Rice
Walter's millet
Jungle-rice
Panic grasses
Cordgrass

The remaining 62% of the mallard diet typically consists of:

10% Smartweed seed
8% Pondweeds
6% Duckweeds
6% Coontail
5% Wild celery
5% Duck potatoe
With the rest being acorns and berries
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Postby mudsucker » Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:22 pm

I am sure you can get the annual report that they put out. I have a copy of last years that was sent to the house for my daughter as she is a "Legacy Greenwing". Being 9yo. at the time of delivery, she said I could keep it on the ship as she was not going to read it! :shock: Now I know you all might say it could be cooked, but what purpose would that serve? To hide the "Feed Money"? Like some one pointed out earlier. Farmers spill more than what could be placed on all refuges combined with out some one seeing it from the air, or dare I say, Sattilite imagery!

On the subject of banquet prices, the committe I am on charged $15 above the cost of the membership and you got a two piece catfish dinner with all the trimmings from the good people at Cindy's Fish House in Brandon including all the ice tea you could drink. If I go to a movie and pay nighttime admission, buy a large coke and a tub-o-corn, I have spent more than $15! Plus you get to talk "duck" stories and laugh with some like minded people instead of wondering why that group of kids paid good money to talk through the movie or to get their cell calls during a suspensful scene! :evil: (darn kids). Take them to an event such as a greenwing event and they may grow to be better people for it. Yes Wingman' "NO BEER AT THE KIDS EVENT", we got that part solved some months back. :wink:

Yes, I support DW too,but happen to work with the local DU committe and wish I had more time to invest to help out DW as well. Maybe in the future I can.

DU should rethink the predator control thing and get more aggresive towards "DOING IT" Yes I know some will say it is only mother nature as it should be, but less cover due to larger farms and draining of potholes to create more tillable land has hurt the nesting a whole lot IMO....

So support both and let's all work toward better times afield!!!! Have a "DUCKY NEW YEAR". See ya at a DU or DW event near you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Postby sportsman450 » Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:37 pm

AvianQuest wrote:Sportsman450....


February 8, 2002

Ken Babcock
Director of Operations
Southern Regional Office
Ducks Unlimited, Inc.
Jackson, Mississippi.

Open Letter to DU members, volunteers, staff and fellow waterfowl hunters:

There are rumors afoot among the waterfowl hunting community in parts of several Southern states that are so far-fetched that until now we have elected not to address them.

I’m referring to the notion that Ducks Unlimited has somehow promoted, funded, participated in, or otherwise had a hand in feeding ducks up north to shortstop and prevent them from migrating to wintering areas further south, in the Mississippi Flyway. These Allegations Are Totally False! The accusation is so far removed from what DU is all about that we’ve not paid it much attention. However, it appears these preposterous rumors are spreading like wildfire and it’s time to pour cold water on them once and for all! The suggestion that Ducks Unlimited, the one waterfowl and wetlands conservation organization that has worked tirelessly for the last 65 years to put habitat on the ground in every flyway throughout North America, would engage in such activity is totally inconsistent with DU’s mission, its history, or past actions. When you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense---economically, biologically, or practically. Why would DU do anything that would take hunting opportunity away from our loyal membership in the South? A high percentage of DU’s membership is in this region and our members are our customers. Why would we do anything that would be a dis-service to our customers?


Thank you AQ.This was the exact non-denial,denial I was speaking of.All it says is that they are not feeding ducks to short-stop them.It leaves open the possibility that they could be feeding them under the guise of another reason.Why not just say,"We aren't feeding ducks." without all the qualification???

Ole Bufflehead-As I said before "I'm not saying they're feeding ducks.I don't know,but if they're not,why not say so.In flat out,absolute terms,with no wiggle room?
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Postby Chad Manlove » Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:29 pm

Sportsman450,

Yes, I am a full-time biologist for Ducks Unlimited. I've worked for DU for over 5 years now. I speak for the entire organization when I say "Ducks Unlimited does not feed ducks." Just to make sure there is no "wiggle room" let me state again "We aren't feeding ducks." We have never fed ducks.

Sorry if you misinterpreted the "open letter to DU members." The intent was not to confuse anyone, but to end these ridiculous rumors.
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Postby AvianQuest » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:10 pm

sportsman450...

I recently helped my 3-year old grandson (Named "Hunter Drake" by the way) feed corn to some park ducks in Houston...

Aside from that, I can assure you that DU isn't feeding ducks for any reason, nor are they secretly buying corn and charging it off as office supplies to hide it from the auditors and the IRS.

Nor does the DU staff at their headquarters in Memphis....all of which hunt in the area....have some psychotic bent to screw up their own hunting.
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Postby sportsman450 » Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:07 pm

Chad Manlove wrote:Sportsman450,

Yes, I am a full-time biologist for Ducks Unlimited. I've worked for DU for over 5 years now. I speak for the entire organization when I say "Ducks Unlimited does not feed ducks." Just to make sure there is no "wiggle room" let me state again "We aren't feeding ducks." We have never fed ducks.

Sorry if you misinterpreted the "open letter to DU members." The intent was not to confuse anyone, but to end these ridiculous rumors.


Thanks-That's good enough for me!!! :wink:
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Postby woodennick » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:42 am

Well then, who has been doing it? Maybe DU can help us determine just who has been buying and distributing these alledged truckloads of corn.

Has DU played a part in some way with USF&W on anything like this?

Don't keep selling this idea about snow.. It's BS!!!! It's newly created habitat over the last 3-5 years in the central states and closed refuges and sanctuaries. Hundreds of thousands of acres. It's amazing to me that all of a sudden ducks don't migrate as far south anymore.

Finally, DU and DW have lobbiest. You work with USF&W on many issues(seasons, limits, etc.) You don't set them, but you have input. Don't say you don't.. But then again, you say you don't pay to help private landowners create duck habitat. Maybe all these water structures and dozier hours don't cost anything?

Get some of these closed areas open and spread hunters out. I don't hunt refuges much anymore, because of all the crap you have to deal with because your stacked on top of each other. It does not have to be this way. It just some swinging D--K making a decision to keep it closed.


Damn-it help us if you want support of those that have given up on you.

This all makes me sick.... There are to many questions with no answers.

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Postby AvianQuest » Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:28 pm

woodennick wrote:
But then again, you say you don't pay to help private landowners create duck habitat. Maybe all these water structures and dozier hours don't cost anything?



Of course, DU can help landowners with habitat projects. DU has many such programs since about 97% of the duck habitat is on private lands.

As for dumping corn...kind of an urban legend don't you think? Ever seen any photos?
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Postby Fetch » Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:10 pm

Anyone want my opinion :lol:

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