Don't Run From Cops in Birmingham

[rustypjr]

My thoughts on this are if you run from the police you deserve a good whoopin. Period. If you try to kill a cop. you deserve a good whoopin. Got a couple of buddies who are cops great guys by the book but i know for a fact that if you run from them they are going to chase you and they are not going to plead and beg you to stop. They are going to tackle you and then they are going to cuff you with as much force as need be. Sometimes a good kick to the head is needed. in my opinion.

[drakechaser]

Well i dont really know where to start but from a law enforcement perspective, for everyone on this sight, if ya'll are not a LEO or have never been one, ya'll have no clue what its like to be ina situation like that. There is no type of training that will help in a real life situation, because when the adrenalin is flowing your mind set should be to eliminate the threat. For an LEO to stay alive they must stay one step ahead of the criminals at all time. If you notice in most situations its the aggressive officers who always catch the criminals, not the lazy, laid back one who are there for the pay and benefits. I know there are a million reasons to argue about these type of situations but i hate typin and if you want to really know what its like, become even a reserve officer and go work, i promise your opions would change or you would quit.

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Well put

[DUCKAHOLIC]

Perhaps you are a true dumbass...........????? They should have killed the peepee........

Dude keep ur happy booty in the dog forum where everybody already hates you..................

[driveby]

There have been a lot of people say these guys shouldn’t have beaten an unconscious person. I agree but there are some problems with this statement in this situation. Did the police know the guy was unconscious? We are watching this from a desk or a chair and through the view of a camera. Also we know what we’re looking for when we watch this video. Consider a few things for me and see if you still look at this the same way. Take yourself out of your chair and put yourself in one of those patrol cars. You are now looking at this from a totally different angle. You are now tasked with controlling this car at the end of a high speed chase. It is up to you to pay attention to what is in front of you,
come to a complete stop without hitting anyone, put the car in park, unbuckle yourself, get out, and make sure this guy is not getting away. On the video, the time from the crash until the first officer is on the suspect is 6 seconds. Now, put yourself there in your mind and do all those things. You can even take all emotion and adrenaline out of the equation if you like. You see the suspect crash and do all the things listed above. Was your view the same as the camera’s view? Did you see the guy thrown out of the car or did he get out? Is he hurt or trying to get away? Does he have a weapon? Figure all this out and do all the things I listed above in 6 seconds. How much better would you have handled it?

[tombstone]

I am not going to second guess this. The LEO acted out in the heat of battle. A situation very few of us have ever experienced. I do not condone the beating of an unconscious man, but I also was not there and have not walked in those shoes. Make yourself a mental note, DON"T RUN FROM THE POLICE OR YOU WILL GET THE CRAP KICKED OUT OF YOU AND IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY

[Gottahunt]

I am in favor of beatings - public beatings, but only AFTER the accused is found guilty by due process of the law. Obviously, the threat of being locked up does not appear to be a deterent to crime.

Had this person known he may have been tied to a tree in front of the courthouse and had a strap put to him, he may have thought twice about his actions in which he endangered innocent lives.

I am serious - not joking. I think public "strappings" or "whippings" do not make us an un-civilized society nor does it violate anyones civil rights. Just go through due process of the law and know that if you do X, the Y may be the punishment.

I was spanked by my parents. I was paddled in school. IT WORKS !!!!!!!

[muddy650]

They said on the news that they guy never knew he was beaten until he saw the video! They also said he got 20 years for trying to run the policeman over at the start. He may be rich, but he will still be in jail for a while. If everything works out like it should, the officers will be dealt with, as well as the criminal.

[Seymore]

I am in favor of beatings - public beatings, but only AFTER the accused is found guilty by due process of the law. Obviously, the threat of being locked up does not appear to be a deterent to crime.

Had this person known he may have been tied to a tree in front of the courthouse and had a strap put to him, he may have thought twice about his actions in which he endangered innocent lives.

I am serious - not joking. I think public "strappings" or "whippings" do not make us an un-civilized society nor does it violate anyones civil rights. Just go through due process of the law and know that if you do X, the Y may be the punishment.

I was spanked by my parents. I was paddled in school. IT WORKS !!!!!!!

That is the point I am trying to make. I am all for whipping this guys booty. If the law says that is what will happen after a trial that is followed according to the law. String him up at the courthouse and let him rot.

The problem I have is when the law is ignored by LEO and the only justification that can be given is the officer decided that was what was going to happen. There have been many statements that they were under stress, he deserved it, and don't say anything until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Sorry, it's a chity deal all the way around but the law says X, Y, and Z. Just because the officer has a badge on doesn't mean he can chunk the rules out the window when he feels like it.

[SoftCall]

the pussification of america. can't believe that the police officers' actions are even in question on here. seriously??

I certainly hope that you aren't refering to my comment. For the record - I am a police advocate and I support whole heartedly any man or woman that is willing to get in harm's way at any given moment to protect the public and my family's safety. In fact, I have spent my entire life being taught to respect the law - trust me when I say this. I grew up watching my old man prosecuting stupid idiots just like the SOB in this video. Then I watched him move into a position of managing to keep these idiots in jail after they were successfully placed in the slammer. Now he is in a seat that allows him to judge fools like this and put them in jail...where they should be. With that being said - yes I am questioning the officers' actions - particularly the dude in the green fatigues that places several left and right hooks on the lifeless criminal after he is obviously down for the count. It sucks that this idiot will see a pay day from the good Alabama citizens' tax dollars. No less than 100 attorneys are lined up trying to get a piece of this action. Remember Rodney King? He was a dumbass too. Look what happened after that bunch of BS. I also agree with Seymore - we have laws and a judicial process designed to address people like this. It just sucks that it will be negated because of some civil action that this jackass will launch.

BTW -unfortunately 5 officers were fired over this.

[H20fowlkiller]

Let me see if I have the points of argument correct

1) A LEO should be allowed to beat any criminal to the point of near death anytime that officer feels threatened.

2) If said criminal in unconscious and no longer a threat, the officer should still be allowed to beat him because he either tried or succeeded in killing an officer.

3) The general public has no right to ask questions of said LEO because we are not in his shoes and have to much estrogen compared to the officers level of testosterone.

4) The LEO has absolutely no responsibility to follow the LAW when dealing with these stressful situations because all bets are off.

5) Until the general public decides to join in the fun with this free pass to beat people, then they should sit quietly.

Looks as though Law should be removed from Law Enforcement Officer as it no longer applies.

Again, I am not arguing that this guy didn't "deserve it". It's the what he deserved I am arguing and what he deserved is to be prosecuted and not beat by a bunch of cops whose testosterone was is overdrive.

The criminal will go free and get rich and the cops will get prosecuted. I hope they thought ruining their lives was worth not following the law.

If following the law is "pussification" then so be it.

Replace the word with your brother or a close friend and then ask yourself the same questions. I know several cops an you have to know that the guy behind you or infront of you will cover you completely and you have to do the same thats why thers such a passion to protect each other. This is not your desk jockey job where you just talk at the water cooler or at the coffee pot these guys have been through thick and thin together and continue to do it on a daily basis.

[mudsucker]

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[Seymore]

Okay, I give.

Police should have the power, no the duty, to beat anybody anywhere they feel like it. The only excuse they have to tender is they felt, "threatened" and were protecting their fellow officer. When your wife, son, daughter, best friend gets killed by some jack booted cop high on testosterone while they were reaching for their ID, tough chit. He felt threatened and had the right to beat them or blow a hole in them. So tough chit. And don't even think about trying to do anything about it.

Ain't crap you can do.
The man in blue.
Done said to you.
The laws don't apply unto
The man in blue.

[RDB]

As a LEO.. They shouldn't have acted the way they did.. but they did.. That's something they have to live with.

Now for those of you that are not LEO's... Put yourself in the guy's shoes who got run over (taking out the equation that he is a LEO).... Let's say that is your best friend .. trying to help stop this guy.. and YOU see your best friend get run over.... and you catch the guy in the same situation just like he was caught in.. What would YOU do?

Take out all the factors of law enforcement and put in the factors of these being your friend or friends and think about how you would react.

Would you try to help your friend?
Would you let your emotions get the best of you after seeing your friend get run over and NOT knowing if he is ok or not?
Would you act or would you just wait and let somebody else act?

Don't judge a man unless you walk a day in his shoes.

[DeltaCotton12]

law abiding people have rights. people who attempt murder of a police officer do not. the second he swerved at the officer, all bets are off. you cant go around running over people then sueing because they beat you up. this is ridiculous. This guy should of gotten it worse. I dont see who attempted murderers have any say in anything. case close, send his @$$ behind bars.. this just pi$$es me off..

[Seymore]

It is not the LEO job to decide whether the guy is guilty or not. That is why we have courts.

I am completely dumbfounded at the number of people who have come out in favor of beating the chit out of people. I am not saying anybody who attempts to run over an officer, shoot at an officer, or otherwise injures an officer shouldn't be punished. It is the courts job to decide punishment not the cops.

When a LEO takes his oath does the oath say he is to select which laws he wants to obey and enforce. Does it say that if the officer thinks his fellow officer was in danger then "all bets are off" and the officer can take the law into his own hands. Deciding which laws to follow and which to ignore.

Wow, the wall of blue is out in full force. Hope my identity isn't discovered because it is apparent to me by this thread that I would be getting visits by the man to give me some reeducation. I'm a threat to officers, beat the chit out of me. If the attitude that has been presented on this thread is the prevailing attitude of police in general, then perhaps there is merit to the belief that police forces are generally corrupt.

If this is to hard for an officer to understand then he has no business being on the streets. Do your damn job, arrest the guy, and let the courts deal with it. Anything else and you have become the criminal and should be in court yourself. If you can't control yourself, no matter the situation, then you need to go to the house.