Ruger M77 280

[Anatidae]

I dunno, man.....stick the butt of it up to your monitor and let 'er rip! I'll tell you what it feels like. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] O.K.....go ahead.....I'm ready (got my fingers in my ears.)

[dos gris]

Anat, you must be extremely bored.

[Anatidae]

Duh, what tipped you off? [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]

[Anatidae]

Isn't that the one that's basically a .270Win (.277 cal) only it's .284 cal?
I don't have a Mod 77 but I shoot a .270. That's kinda like...'I'm not a doctor, but I play one, on T.V. I think the cartridges (.270 and .280) are remarkably similar and their ballistics are, too. You may be able to get a better trajectory (lower ballistic coefficient) from the 150gr .284 than 150gr .277.....other than that, it's a wash.
Remington tried to revive the .280 awhile back.....re-naming it the 7mm "Express". You prbably already knew that, though. I'm fairly sensative to recoil and shoot a .257 Roberts, .270 Win, and .308 Win.......270 seems to kick slightly less than the .308 Win (to me) if you're interested in comparison. All three guns, above are are basically identical in weight and stock dimensions. 'Hope this gives you SOME idea of recoil. Good Luck! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[Greenhead22]

dos gris, just get you a 7MM Mag or a .30-378 rifle, never feel the kick when shooting at deer. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

I actually wanted a .280 when I got my 7MM Mag, only reason I got the 7MM Mag is because it's easy to find bullets, plus having the ability to steal some out of dad's coat. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[ October 29, 2001: Message edited by: Greenhead22 ]

[Unkljohn]

I figured that it was the best deer caliber made!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
JT

[dos gris]

Anybody find the recoil on this gun to be surprisingly hard?

[GordonGekko]

I can't speak for the Ruger, but my Remington Mountain Mifle model 700's recoil isn't bad at all in 280. Maybe the stock design of the Ruger causes the percieved recoil to be greater (or it may be lighter than my gun), but I have found stock design and fitting can do a lot to reduce percieved recoil. Also what loads are you shooting, some are a good bit more stout than others (recoil wise).

Anat, yeah it was to an extent Remington's answer to the 270 winchester. However the cases won't fit in the others chamber (the shoulder angle is different), but it was based on the same case (I think). However, I believe the 280 was originally called the 7mm express, and was changed to "280 Remington" to revive interest. Ballistically it is about a wash between it and the 270 (in factory loads), but some people prefer the 7mm (.284 cal) bullets.

Gordon

[Anatidae]

Yeah, I knew there were some subtile differences (as you pointed-out).....just didn't have my loading manual in front of me at the time, to offer the 'specifics'. Thanks for clearing that up. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[dos gris]

AHHH, finally an answer to my questions....thanx you.

[no angel]

i have had that cal in ruger and it didn't kick to me! i do alot of shooting but the 270 is all around gun. no need for huge cal if you can shoot worth a damn!!

[Anatidae]

O.K.....now my manual's in front of me. Ya'll KNOW how I am about being 'accurate' with info....so here goes. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote

(from 10th edition of Speer reloading manual printed Oct 1979)......Remington introduced this cartridge as the 280Rem in 1957, in the now discontinued Mod 740 autoloader.......blah blah blah....Most other rifle manufacturers have shown little interst in it. In 1979 Remington re-introduced the Model 700 in this caliber, though it has been renamed the 7mm Express Remington, presumably to spark some renewed interest in a fine but somewhat neglected cartridge.

Jim Carmichael wrote in the Sierra manual that Remington further attempted to spark even more interest (after the 'Express' designation failed), by referring to the 280 via a reference to the 30-06 (on which the 280 and their 'rival' cartridge, the 270 Win are based)....calling it a 7mm-06. This was a more disaterous attempt to 'popularization' because that was another 'wildcat' cartridge with slightly incompatible dimensions (problems with confusion and non-interchangeability)

As Gordon pointed out, there ARE some subtile differences however the shoulder angle IS identical (17 degrees 30 minutes). The length of the case at the shoulder (and thus, the neck) is slightly longer than the .270 Win. and (in comparing dimensions from several manuals) there can be slight differences in case diameter at the shoulder and the base.....280 being the larger to prevent chambering a .284 dia. bullet (or more correctly .283 in the case of the original version of the 280 Rem) in the .277 dia. barrel of the 270 Win. [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img]

So, how does all this relate to Dos Gris' original question....'bout recoil of a Mod 77 in 280 Rem? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] It DOESN'T! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]....I admit, a simple 'yes' or 'no' was all he wanted. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]

Bill, I've heard other folks complain about the recoil of the Mod 77 compared with rifles of other manufacturers in the same cartridge, if that's what you're after.....must be stock dimensions, like Gordo said. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Anatidae ]

[swampland]

I had the M77 in 30-06, did not have a heavy recoil, one of the most accurate rifles I ever had. Some #%$&$$#@%$ stole it. Sure wish I had it back.

[GordonGekko]

Anat, I stand corrected. I was misinformed, I was spouting off from memory (which tends to be hit or miss for me [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] ). I like both the 270 and 280, I need to get rid of one though.

Dos Gris, sorry I didn't answer your question, it's just that felt recoil is dependant on so many factors that I could only offer my experience. Now if you had an easy question like how much concrete it would take to get a duck blind to zero bouancy I might could figure it out [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img].

Gordon