Am I just stupid?

[Redhead]

Hey SBE we need you on the committee man. You have some good ideas.

The first year we did the Hernando event it was a huge sucess. kinda gone down hill since but we still have fun and raise some money for a good cause. The key to sucess is growing the committee, and keeping it fun for all.

Wingman my suggestion to you is get involved and start a Family chapter in your area. Have a family event and let the kids get in free and have fun.

I have been told These are "social" events by more than one person and most of them want beer served, these same people teach the local sunday school ??????

I have stood up to them and said if you want me involved it will be done this way! guess what after raising a lot of $$$ they still want us to change.

Life is short... have fun....but you don't need to be drunk to do it!

[MSDuckmen]

Sometimes Wingman a man finds pleasure in a drink.
Drinking is not the problem. It is too much drinking.

I have no problem taking my kids to any event and all I have are girls.
Do you think for a minute that they don't see this same stuff day in and day out on TV and almost any where else you look.

When you take them anywhere and are confronted with situations you don't approve of then is the time for you to mentor them. The example your kids will follow is your example. Not the drunk throwing up in the corner. I have heard my kids say more than once that their daddy drinks but they never seen him drunk.

Chill big guy it will be OK....

[the doctor]

beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy...author unknown

wingman I appreciate your views and I happen to be on the committtee putting on the Bolivar County event it was decided that no member of the committee will be drinking we are there to work and give our time

as for the rest of the crowd...Crawdads bartenders are controlling all the liqour and beer just as if it was their own party or customers, we write Crawdads a check for everything and their bartenders are responsible for minors and cutting people off if they have overindulged

I am very much aware of how to have a good time without drinking.

the doc

[JT]

Wingman,

Nope, you aren't stupid. What this thread has done is identify the fact that many of these events at least have the hope of enticing people to become "chemically stupid" so they will pony up with the cash for the fund raisers.

Other than that our popular culture has dictated that drinking and lust are "manly" things to do. You are right about the message it sends to children. Still, as Duckmen pointed out most children see worse on television. Despite that they don't see such things on MY television nor will they ever. Why? Because I'm not "manly" enough to join the crowd. I'm such a wimp that I dictate to my family what they can and cannot see on my TV. I'm even more of a wimp in that I don't watch the things that I prohibit them from watching. I know that culture dictates that I should but I'm just too afraid of the consequences.

Along that same line, that's why I avoid events that promote those "manly" things. It's not always easy being a wimp and standing against the majority but the alternative is just too frightening in the long run.

[Super Black Eagle]

doc - Ben Franklin sadi that I believe.

[Wingman]

Whether or not it is ethical,moral,dignified is up to the perceiver.

Your method of thinking is shared by many and it is exactly the reason we have homosexual minsters, partial-birth abortions and "Christians" that teach Sunday school that show up at these events and take a drink.

There is but one rule to measure all morality by; the Bible.

Drinking is wrong, no matter how little or how much.

An organization that allows its chapters to promote fundraising thru drunkenness and other immoral means has no place in my life.

You fellas rationalize all you want...it won't make it right. You remind me of high school kids.

I didn't call anybody a low-life. I just said I wasn't gonna crawl around on the ground with those of you who want to be bound to that type of behavior. Heaven knows I'm bound to enough behaviors without drinking being one of them.

Dan, you can take your kids wherever you want to and tell them what you want. Yep, TV shows it all, and if you and I were really concerned, we'd monitor the shows we let our kids watch. They're gonna run into that stuff one day, but the later the better.

beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy...author unknown

I got two words for that doc, horse hockey

As with most things in life, done in moderation there is no problem

Got one for ya boogabottom, commit moderate adultery, or moderate murder, or moderate gossip, or moderate jealousy. Your theory holds no water.

As an adult a person should be able to explain to a kid he does not need to indulge in drinking until he is older (21).

As an adult, jklmnop1272, you ought to be able to show a kid how to have a good time without alcohol. Sadly, most adults today don't know how.

Y'all are right, this issue runs much deeper than any conservation meeting.


Wingman

[MAG]

Wingman,

Quote:
Whether or not it is ethical,moral,dignified is up to the perceiver.


Your method of thinking is shared by many and it is exactly the reason we have homosexual minsters, partial-birth abortions and "Christians" that teach Sunday school that show up at these events and take a drink.

I take offense to that.

I was simply stating that no matter what the guage of rightness or wrongness, people won't always agree.

You cannot deny that different people see things in different ways. Even when it comes to the Bible. Why do we have so many different denominations? People interpret God's word differently, just like people interpret the rightness/wrongness of drinking differently. I am a proud Christian and I don't appreciate you comparing anything that I say or think to that of the immoral actions you listed above.

It is YOUR type of thinking that is shared by many and is exactly the cause of the "holier than thou" stereotype of Christians. And I don't aprove of your tactics of argument on this issue.


MAG

[Wingman]

Well, if it hurts your feelings, MAG, then that's not my problem.

Your method of thinking about morality is as wrong as the night is black. It's not up to the perceiver, it's up to the Bible. You can't deny that.

People that think abortion is okay, think the same way you do. Like it or lump it.

Wingman

[bigwater]

Wingman states that drinking is wrong no matter how much or how little period... Wingman also states that moderate drinking is a pratice that holds no water... Wingman I must respectfully disagree with you... First and foremost it is common knowledge in the medical community than 2 notice i didn't say more that 2 drinks a day (adult beverages) are actually good for you. alcohol in moderation stimulates the production of the good type of cholestrol. also a couple of drinks a day helps reduces your chance of heart disease.

I personally know several persons who drink in moderation and not in abusive nature. As i stated above this is good for you.

oh well my thoughts good luck and happy hunting oh by the way wingman Jesus drank wine

later bigbrownwater

[MAG]

Wingman,

While I admire you sticking to your "guns" your thinking is fundamentally flawed.

So tell me, Wingman, If I belive in the Bible, and you believe in the Bible, and you think that action x is wrong and I think that action x is okay, no matter what, you are right because YOU believe you are interpreting the Bible correctly and I am not??? We can apply this to more than drinking, we can apply it to issues like predestination, tithing, or whatever you want.

You are setting a double standard because you are saying YOUR perception is right and if anyone else percieves it differently they are undoubtedly wrong.

The Bible IS the absolute truth. But that doesn't mean that the way YOU interpret the Bible is the absolute truth.


MAG

[Greenhead22]

Well Rob, I understand where you are coming from, and I respect it because I had these same thoughts and feelings a few yrs ago. My family has had many problems with alcoholism and I was kinda scared to get involved in it. I was always the only one at the parties not drinking, and felt left out for some reason. So I just opened a beer and carried it around with me, never taking a sip, and everyone began to talk to me more. I drank twice in my 4 yrs of high school, both on national drunk.....errr.......honor society trips. The first drink I had I puked for five minutes.....

But when I got to state at age 20 I hooked up with some KA guys, going to parties and started social drinking but not to the point of drunk. I was brought up not to drink and stay out of the bars and away from trouble. The first bar I went to in starkville dang near flipped me out. I was tense all night........knowing damn well I had no reason being in there, but I finally got over the uneasyness. And I can honestly say this, I've never had a hangover from beer.......and I can knock out a 12 pack easy without getting stupid. I've seen what alcohol can do to people, and understand why there is no need for it. But getting back to the banquets and such, alcohol opens the wallets, known fact. These banquets are set to raise as much money as possible for that chapter. Would a person pay $300 for a pellet gun with a du sticker on it being stone cold sober? I saw a $500 gun get sold for $2,000 just because of alcohol. Banquets are like casinos......they are out to get money......and offering alcohol aids the progression. Should alcohol be sold at the banquets.........no.........but it is. It's like a hunting club having a no alcohol policy........they can't get enough members.

Everyone comes to our club on the weekends. You've busted your tail for 5 days, get to the camp, unload your truck.......then pop a top. I guess it's more relaxing, you can just kick back, fire up the grill and just relax, take a load off. Drinking alcohol and knowing your limits isn't the problem, it's the people that drink to get drunk is the problem. We had 2 members that were like that, and they were kicked out. The members we have no all drink and do it in a respectable manner, the way it should be done.

[Delta Duck]

Well, Yea Spoonie plant you some sunflowers, It cost me $4100 for a 30 acre field. I still get to go and bust some doves when I want.

I don't have any problem with kids going to an event with beer served to anyone over the age of 21. Beer is legal, how ever it is not legal if you are under 21. If the parents have a problem they should tell their kids that when you get 21 you will be legal. It's apart of life.
I don't drink anymore because I wanted to be able to chew on my son's booty if he was drinking and carrying on. A 10 year old shot would taste sweet! I'm not a social drinker, If you are going to drink you need to get drunk or you are just wasting $.

[Bullreds & Greenheads]

Wingman,

You got me doing some research, man.

Now I don't claim to be the master interpreter of the Bible, but from what I know there are many hundreds, if not thousands, of references to drinking alcohol, wine in particular, in the Bible. Wine was the beverage of choice because water quality, aside from artesian springs, left a lot to be desired. Alcohol, in and of itself, is not evil.

The Bible very strongly condemns drunkeness. Of that, there is no doubt.

If anyone would like, I recommend reading 1st Corinthians, Chapter 5 & 6. Good reading. A lot more discussed than just drunkeness. Specifically, look at Chapter 5, Verses 9-11, and Chapter 6, Verse 12.

One thing's for sure. You won't see much "tolerance" as defined by the liberals in those two chapters.

Have a good one.

[Wingman]

Okay boys, I'm lettin' you have this one because I'm getting caught up in judgement and that's not for me to do.

My initial question was answered. The reason for alcohol at the banquets is because drunk folks spend more money.

When one of your chapter members drives home drunk and kills your wife and kids in a headon....then tell me how you feel. Hey, he got drunk in the name of conservation, so let him go free.

Wingman

[Wingman]

Bullreds, I had my Bible open to the very same verse.

I do not escape from the words of verse 11, so I can not judge.

Wingman