Governor's Race - Musgrove vs Barbour

[Unlucky Ducky]

Peewee.........You ever did anything growing up that you might not be proud of say between the ages of 18-24 ? College students will do what most college kids do, their parents can't be around every minute of every day to keep an eye on 'em. To say a man can't run his family so he can't run a state sounds like a Musgrove campaign commercial. I guess the plan is to throw enough mud and eventually some will stick, huh.

[um_rebel]

has anyone seen the debate that was held at Delta St last week??? Musgrove looked like he was the one who taught crawfish how to walk!!!!!!!! he had no answer for Haley except to change the subject..... Muscrat needs to go@!!@!!!!!!

[peewee]

unlucky ducky, I did alot of things I aint proud of between those ages, I also did one thing I am very proud of and thats marrying my wife. When the lord bonded us we became one flesh and I opted to take care of her FOR WHATEVER THE COST FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. A mans first priority should be god, the second should be his family. If a man believes politics is more important than his family he isn't a man I want to vote for. If he cant hold his own family together how is he gonna hold the state together. I aint mudsligging and I aint gonna get into a long 5 page debate about this, I am telling you how I feel as a christian.

By the way, Muscrove couldn't use my theology in one of his commercials.

[Unlucky Ducky]

PeeWee.... I respect your views as a Christian and I agree that God should be a mans first priority, followed by family.

I'm not sure what information you might know about Haley Barbour that I don't and what horrible things he or his family may have done in the past. What has he done that has shown that politics is more important than his family? Do you know what he does or doesn't do with his family? Do you know what values he has tried to instill into his wife, children, and family? Is Musgrove any better? What has he done to prove his priorities are in order?
They are both politicians, they ain't going to be perfect, it comes down to who you think can best run the state, work with the state legislators, and the Feds.

I think JC was the only PERFECT man that ever walked this earth!

[trigger]

timber-hunter, let me reword that, as a teacher , Musgrove did get teachers a raise last year......MS is still in the bottom percent in the nation in teacher pay, also, a person can ride right across the state line to ALabama or TN and make about $2500-$4000 more dollars teaching in another state.....now tell me where are most teachers that are highly qualified more apt to go if they get the chance? thats right, across one of the state lines, what i am trying to say is that if is not poured into education either by teacher pay or into the education fund, then we are losing good teachers b/c of the higher wages they can receive right down the road......I am saying if Barbor can promise more $ into education somehow, then I will vote for him.....but then again that is just MY opinion....hope I didn't ruffle any feathers!!

[peewee]

I'm not sure what information you might know about Haley Barbour

I aint talking about Barbour.

[Haymaker]

I agree with what Trigger had to say about teachers earning more money in other states and that is why a lot of our teachers have left. My wife is a teacher in the Delta and she and I both feel that Musgrove is not helping with education. To give everyone here an example of the pay difference between states, my wife with her masters and three years experience will earn just under $30,000 this year teaching at the junior high level in special education, a friend of mine in Southern IL with only his bachelors and 4 years of experience is making just over $37,000 this year teaching freshman high school classes. That is a big difference. Some may ask why we haven't moved all ready to an area that doesn't have private schools because all of the public schools are in good enough shape that all of the kids go to public schools and where she can earn more money, well the answer is she was raised here in Greenville, she likes living here, and she doesn't want to leave her family.

It is hard to get industry to move into an area where one of the first things the executives learn is that you are going to have to send you kids to a private school because the public schools in the area are in such bad shape. Well I for one would not want to move a plant to an area were all of the employees are going to have to spend a big chunk of their salary on private school when I can build a plant in another state and the employees wouldn't have to spend that money on private education. The school system has to be in better shape in order to produce a better work force. Having a good work force in place makes a state much more attractive to companies looking to build a new plant. I know that money is not going to solve all of the problems in the schools, student apathy is a HUGE problem that money won't solve!! But that is another story.

My wife and I will be voting for Barbour.

Haymaker

[crow]

You aer right, Haymaker. More jobs equal higher tax base equals more tax money for education and other public entities. Better education systems equals job growth...it's a vicious cycle.

I left MS because I needed to be independent of my family and the only way I could think to do that was to move. I have not regretted the move to GA professionally. However, I have regretted not living in MS every day! The starting salary for a teacher with no experience and a bachelor's degree in my system is $35,700. With a master's and 10 years of experience: $50,800. A first year principal at one of our large high schools (2,500-3,500 students) will earn $85-90,000 and several experienced principals earn over $100K. We have also been one of the fasting growing counties in the nation in jobs and population for the last 20 years.

Vote for the best man who you think can bring the jobs (high paying-not lowpaying) to MS.

[Gman]

Musgrove is a HOMO - I am not voting for him.

[GordonGekko]

Not to underline an already well made point, but NAFTA is done, and we have to deal with it. In the U.S. we have to face the fact that our unskilled labor costs more than the market is willing to bear, to combat that we have to create a skilled educated workforce. This leads us back to the importance of education, I haven't seen a commitment by the current administration to education, but I have heard Mr. Barbour refer to our Universities as a prized resource. It's not so much that Musgrove doesn't want to talk about how valuable education is, it's just that it's all lip service. My wife teaches first grade, and over the three years she has done this I have seen not one positive change for education implemented in our state. I grew up in Georgia, and have seen that education system go from the national joke, to what it is now, and I really believe that the number 1 means to improve education is money, and I don't mean money for new computers, I mean we have to pay our teachers well enough that the best and the brightest will stay in state, not leave or worse yet pursue other careers. We have to change or we'll go the way of the Dinosaur, I think that Barbour really is interested in seeing the state make those changes. Just my 2 and 1/2 cents.

Gordon

[Delta Duck]

I'm telling you right now, You could have a Havard graduate teach and pay him $10,000 or $100,000 a year. It does not matter one bit if the kids don't want to learn. It all goes back to the family. It is not about the time they spend in school. You can have any yahoo follow the guidelines layed out by the State and Fed's. The public education system in Mississippi Delta is a big sink hole. You can not just keep putting money in the hole and think it will be better. It is ashame that you have only about 30% of the kids that want to get an education!

Bring back the draft for all the kids that don't keep the 2.00 grade point! That is the only way they will ever have some disipline! I see the thug's every single day. They have a bad atitude.

I'm a cold hearted SOB!

[SCOOTER]

It all boils down to money, good are bad, you got to have it to win.

[Haymaker]

Delta Duck I agree with you on the point that if the kids don't want to learn, then they are not going to learn. I don't know what it would take to overcome the attitude of some of these families in the Delta that think that since "I did graduate high school, my kid doesn't need to either". I think that if the well fare system was changed to make people work to receive benefits, things might improve. At the same time I do think that the teachers should be paid more so to attract new teachers to the profession and to keep the ones we have.

Haymaker