Ray Boltz question ?Gay?

[ducksplorer]

To me he has some of the best inspirational music out.
as D1 said "The Anchor Holds" "There stood a lamb" "At the foot of the Cross" "Watch the lamb" many more.

[ronsmith]

He might as well be Elton John now as far as I am concerned. I still like the songs though.

[Duckslayer09]

Thats wrong being gay i mean....but why would you theres no pleasure im sure.........or i hope there isnt............

[hencutter]

First that I have heard of this. Check out Gal.5.5 .I don't think that you are "In Christ" if you are a practicing homosexual. Of course, they can be delivered,saved and set free of this problem. And I have a question.I have always heard that one sin is as bad as the next,but what scriptures back this up? Not trying be a smart aleck,it is a legit question. I can't think of any that would back that up. Also do any of you think that homosexuality could be a demonic oppression problem?

[Deagle]

1 Cor. 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

[duckhunterdoc]

Mr. Boltz-we need you to turn your membership card in- Why-well sir, you just cannot be Gay and be a christian at the same time,,,the Blood of Jesus? well,sir... obviously you did not read your Bible...please turn to I Cor:6:9-10....well now i know we all sin, yes i know some of us have committed the same sin more than once,yes ,even after we were saved,yes,yes after more than once it's just a matter of numbers...now stop , it Ray,,Ray, you are just living in sin-habitually----look, there is just so far that salvation will go---that's right , the Blood of Jesus has it's limit's...and Bud ,strike 3 for you...what do you mean, it's the same as the Preacher, is not...is not...not---stop it! the preacher probably has a thyroid problem, 300 lb does not mean he is a glutton--he is just big boned. anyway it's just not the same-Why? different type hotdogs-that's why!What do you mean Noah was a drunkard and Jacob a liar and swindler---yes, yes that's in Cor 6 also,,,no,no that was old testament and speaking of Old Testament--we should really kill you for being a homo......wait wait, what do you mean then we should also stone a rebellious teenager(Deut). What do you mean it's not your fault,genetics has nothing to do with it,no i don't care if you had a strong-willed Mother,no i don't care if your childhood minister sodomized you,sir...you have made a life style choice and that choice is to live in sin and you cannot be a Christian...when you got saved you were supposed to be a new creature and a FAG is not it. What do you mean even after Peter, Knew and walked with Jesus that he denied him?that does not count! why?-i don't know? Faggot!

[duckhunterdoc]

before ya'll shoot me- i was just thinking how this conversation may go...and i don't think i will do it...i will tell a homosexual that the sin is wrong, but that Jesus loves them...also i think there are a lot of things in the Church we need to correct before we point too many fingers...the above is purely fictional(obviously) and not meant to offend anyone, just to make us all think....i don't think i will question another man's salvation,and if i do go to a brother to correct him from sin( as James direct's) i hope it is out of Love.. as far as one sin greater than another--i don't think in God's eye's it is- but i don't know of a scripture to prove it-other than "all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God"--but i do realize that in Man's eyes we RATE the sin and that is human and expected--so i know that homosexuality vs Gluttony is a no brainer as is smoking is a habitual sin destroying God's temple( Know any Deacon's that smoke?)..so without a doubt all these things are wrong and all sin brings death---even to a Christian(but not a spiritual death)..Death of a body,relationship, career,,etc.....also i am not saying that this sin should go unapproached..and if he declaires he is saved..there still may be some church positions he could not fill, but i would consider approaching him more out of loveand i would have a hard time telling him he was not a Christian...again just trying to make us all think-apologies to anyone offended-and CWinkler-what you said!

[hencutter]

Smoking isn't mentioned in 1 Cor.6,or Gal 5.( or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter) No one yet has come up with convincing scripture that all sin is equal.Homosexuality is ( not not mention the Book of Leviticus)

[cwink]

Smoking isn't mentioned in 1 Cor.6,or Gal 5.( or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter) No one yet has come up with convincing scripture that all sin is equal.Homosexuality is ( not not mention the Book of Leviticus)

Luke 12 states the only unforgiveable sin is blaspheme

8 "I tell you, everyone who confesses me before men, him will the Son of Man also confess before the angels of God; 9 but he who denies me in the presence of men will be denied in the presence of the angels of God. 10 Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 11 When they bring you before the synagogues, the rulers, and the authorities, don't be anxious how or what you will answer, or what you will say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that same hour what you must say."

[hencutter]

True.But by reading Ray Boltz website,apparently he has not asked for forgiveness of this sin.Rather,he more or less blames God for it. The old"He made me this way" cop out.

[duckhunterdoc]

so smoking is not a sin,really?and i guess your opinion that anything that destructs,directly destructs your body(the temple) is not a sin,and ICor 6 and Gal 5 are the main most sins that will keep you out of Heaven?-Is this what you are saying???? and BTW i am not really a Ray Boltz defender and i certainly don't want to defend any sin...but i really question one person telling another he is not saved,and the only way to approach a brother is out of love

[rustypjr]

Lover the sinner, hate the sin! That is what we got to do.

[duckhunterdoc]

and NO i don't believe God made him that way--any more than i believe God made a Down syndrome baby, or an alcoholic,or a Diebetic,or a Bipolar person, or schizophrenic,or a woman with battered spouse syndrome that was raped at age 13 etc.,etc. We live in a sinful World ...some afflictions come from the curse from Adam and Eve,some from the sins of others, probably most we bring on ourselves, But God's Grace can save us from any of these situations,and although a person may have a genetic predisposition to addiction(alcohol) or homosexuality or whatever-thru Jesus, the person can say NO and i think Grace is promoted much better by showing we hate the sin and not the sinner

[ronsmith]

God didn't wipe out Sodom and Gommorah for smoking or eating cupcakes.......

[duckhunterdoc]

Ron- that is kinda funny-don't know if you meant it that way...especially since Camel and little Debbie weren't quite in action yet...I just get this mental picture of a 300 lb preacher with a cig. dangling out of his mouth screaming " you faggots are going to hell"( then under his breath"my gluttonous- temple destroying behind is a shoe to heaven")...and maybe you are right- one sin is worse than another--certainly there are consequences that are diff. for diff. sins(maybe just on an earthly level) murder vs gossip---but Jesus seemed to take it a little further and from a different angle...when approached with the woman caught in adultry he seemed more interested in forgiveness and exposing the hippocrocy that surrounded him...he seemed way more interested in battleing sins of the spirit( pride,back biting,self-righteousness) than sins of the flesh( maybe because the latter is exposed on it;s own and the consequences self evident)(whereas the former is easily hidden and consequences deep,deadly and soul destroying) ....so if God really feels homosexuality is a city destroying crime(still-today) then why didn't Jesus body slam a few faggots- what sermon did he preach to the "homo on the hill" why didn't he get a whip after the "gay guys in the spa"...hmmmm what's that story about the "rich young homo"--just couldn't give it up......again homosexuality is a sin, i don't like to even think about it--but to think any sin is less than another could be dangerous...