I happened to pickup the Duckmen 5 (Traditions) video when I was at Wally World last night. I haven't watched many duck hunting videos (no Duckmen videos), but I must admit to being entertained by Mr. Robertson. Are all the Duckmen videos this good?
Actually, I got kinda tired of seeing duck after duck after duck go SPLAT! But the story setup, commentary, and climax made this video superb!
I do have one thing up on Mr. Robertson though - when I die (and if I lived right) I have something to look forward to. When Phil dies, since he has already experienced heaven on earth, the other heaven may be a let down.
Another question: Anybody ever let their young kids watch these? The carnage was pretty bad. My 2.5 year old daughter seemed to love it though, and wouldn't let me turn it off - but I wonder if bad dreams will be coming for her - heck I might have some bad dreams myself after all that killin'.
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Are all Duckmen videos as goods as Duckmen 5?
Are all Duckmen videos as goods as Duckmen 5?
I really enjoyed the very first one "the duckmen of Louisiana" that was just Robertson and Warren Coco. It was very good, I thought. The ones after that have gotten kinda goofy. I remember in the second on there is about 2 minutes of noting but constant closeups of tobacco juice spitting. I am not sure what that had to do with duck hunting. I have not watched "duckmen south" or "traditions". I quit buying them after #3.
I wonder if Robertson and Coco had a falling out, since he really does not show up much after #2.
I wonder if Robertson and Coco had a falling out, since he really does not show up much after #2.
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The Duckman series has some outstanding footage and great shots of some hard core waterfowlers pouring some steel to greenheads. Sometimes he takes it too far like when he bites the head of a drake to kill it. He is a hard core, swamp hermit with a long beard and some killer hunting land. It does seem that Phil has gotten a bit too commercial lately but everyone needs to make a buck. I guess I'm just jealous that it isn't me back there. I'm not a big fan of his line of duck calls however. Rumor has it that he doesn't drink and disapproves of alcohol greatly. Even turned down a guest appearance at a DU function here in Ms because Etoh was being server. Strictly rumor. Hearsay. Scuttle but. Sorry I missed the shindig on 6 Oct.
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Imagine that! Somebody actually would pass on a DU meeting because of excessive drinking.
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Duckmen 5 sucked. It was basically filming him cleaning out his duck blind. Duckmen south, sucked. If you want to see ducks killed mexican style, La Patos Loco is the gig. No plugs, awesome footage, and BIG flocks of ducks. The part ii, quest for pintails, is good, but sickening to think of the numbers of pins killed.
The orginal duckmen video is the tops. best all duck video of all time. 2 & 3 are good, I like the music, the scripted parts. I could have done without him shooting a deer with a rifle out of his duckblind, I doubt the legialty of it, and he sure as hell could have edited it to NOT look like what it did. I don't like him shooting a tree in 4, just cause he wont move. 4 is basically guided hunts in texas, lots of ducks, awesome shots, and awesome footage, but dont expect whut you come to expect from the first 3.
Wanna see sum big birds smacked hard? Hidgeon Xtream Waterfowl Violence. Best goosin video in the world, ever. The second is ok, but nothing is like the first. Darrle Wise (reel geese decoys) In yo face is another good one, and darrel & the wisemen (the sequal) is awesome, with 7 world champs, and 20 & 28 gague shotguns smacking big western honkers so close the cameraman gets scared. Sean manns autmun harvest is good, with his hat mounted guide cam and 15 yard honkers. travis
The orginal duckmen video is the tops. best all duck video of all time. 2 & 3 are good, I like the music, the scripted parts. I could have done without him shooting a deer with a rifle out of his duckblind, I doubt the legialty of it, and he sure as hell could have edited it to NOT look like what it did. I don't like him shooting a tree in 4, just cause he wont move. 4 is basically guided hunts in texas, lots of ducks, awesome shots, and awesome footage, but dont expect whut you come to expect from the first 3.
Wanna see sum big birds smacked hard? Hidgeon Xtream Waterfowl Violence. Best goosin video in the world, ever. The second is ok, but nothing is like the first. Darrle Wise (reel geese decoys) In yo face is another good one, and darrel & the wisemen (the sequal) is awesome, with 7 world champs, and 20 & 28 gague shotguns smacking big western honkers so close the cameraman gets scared. Sean manns autmun harvest is good, with his hat mounted guide cam and 15 yard honkers. travis
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I'll agree with Gulfcoast, the earlier you go in that video collection, the better they get. Man, there were forever more some ducks laid down in the first two. And the spittin contest(with one slow-mo spit) was absolutely hilarious.
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Well opinions are like elbows, so here's one of mine.
I think all of the Duckmen videos are great. Granted the earlier versions are slightly better.
I went to see Phil when he came to Flora last year. The rumors regarding drinking are very true! He spent probably 20 minutes demonstrating his calling techniques and line of calls (which I am a fan of. Have almost everyone with the exception of the wood duck call) Man can he sound like a wood duck! The remaining half hour was an excellent presentation of the Gospel. He carries a very worn Bible and an excellent message. If anyone has the opportunity to go see him, you shouldn't pass the chance.
I think all of the Duckmen videos are great. Granted the earlier versions are slightly better.
I went to see Phil when he came to Flora last year. The rumors regarding drinking are very true! He spent probably 20 minutes demonstrating his calling techniques and line of calls (which I am a fan of. Have almost everyone with the exception of the wood duck call) Man can he sound like a wood duck! The remaining half hour was an excellent presentation of the Gospel. He carries a very worn Bible and an excellent message. If anyone has the opportunity to go see him, you shouldn't pass the chance.
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I have made no bones about my feelings on his tapes but that is not what the Man is all about. What he does in the tapes as well as what he does outside tapes is what makes the man. I don’t have a clue on what he does outside the tapes and it is not my business.
What I do consider my business is how his tapes affect the youth and some older people that still think like kids. It is my PERSONAL ETHIC’S and little to do with what is considered right by law or by your personal Ethics.
I by no means believe that he is a bad person only that I don’t like some of the content of his tapes and that is why I don’t watch them or support them by suggesting them to others.
Everyone has a right to their opinion on his tapes but I feel that no man has a right to judge him without first knowing him. Since I don’t know him and most of you do not either I think it is sad that you are quick to judge him as a person.
With all that said, There are things that I just don’t agree with in his tapes and it adds to how I feel about him as a person. But that is my feelings only. I feel that way simply because the apple won’t fall to far from the tree. If you kill for no reason such as the snake then you have to wonder what makes him tick. If you say conservation ends when the hunting begins you are also wrong. (Conservation never ends, it is an ongoing process and feeding the ducks in a place that is not hunted in my opinion is a continued effort. As well as selective shooting such as drakes only). When you say stuff like that the general public takes it to heart. Just think for a minute that if he put into his tapes that we strive to take drakes only, it is our goal to help improve the number of nesting hens.
Stop shooting ducks on the water, snakes for no reason, blowing ducks to pieces 10 feet away, and eating peanuts out of the throats of dead ducks, spitting tobacco as if it was something to be proud of. These are only a few of the things that are wrong in my view.
People that watch his tapes and see him as a leader in the ducking community would follow his lead just as I’m sure many will follow his lead in shooting a snake or sitting duck for no reason.
It is my opinion that being in the public eye the way he is that he should demonstrate as much as possible the values that would help improve our image instead of promoting the other side.
Phil being a Christian alone does not make him a good person, it is how others see him and how he shows value in what he does that makes people be judgmental of him.
I would tell him the same thing in person and I mean him no disrespect as a person but I truly dislike many of the values that he demonstrates on his tapes. Would he care? NO. Many say what you see is what you get. Phil’s value system is not in line with mine, Does this make him wrong? NO. Only in my eyes and others that think like me does it matter. You can’t please everyone and you shouldn’t try. You can only live up to the values that you hold in yourself as real value.
I think that his religion, his contributions to Waterfowl related organizations, the selling of tapes and calls, and killing ducks is where Phil’s values are. For him that is enough.
What I do consider my business is how his tapes affect the youth and some older people that still think like kids. It is my PERSONAL ETHIC’S and little to do with what is considered right by law or by your personal Ethics.
I by no means believe that he is a bad person only that I don’t like some of the content of his tapes and that is why I don’t watch them or support them by suggesting them to others.
Everyone has a right to their opinion on his tapes but I feel that no man has a right to judge him without first knowing him. Since I don’t know him and most of you do not either I think it is sad that you are quick to judge him as a person.
With all that said, There are things that I just don’t agree with in his tapes and it adds to how I feel about him as a person. But that is my feelings only. I feel that way simply because the apple won’t fall to far from the tree. If you kill for no reason such as the snake then you have to wonder what makes him tick. If you say conservation ends when the hunting begins you are also wrong. (Conservation never ends, it is an ongoing process and feeding the ducks in a place that is not hunted in my opinion is a continued effort. As well as selective shooting such as drakes only). When you say stuff like that the general public takes it to heart. Just think for a minute that if he put into his tapes that we strive to take drakes only, it is our goal to help improve the number of nesting hens.
Stop shooting ducks on the water, snakes for no reason, blowing ducks to pieces 10 feet away, and eating peanuts out of the throats of dead ducks, spitting tobacco as if it was something to be proud of. These are only a few of the things that are wrong in my view.
People that watch his tapes and see him as a leader in the ducking community would follow his lead just as I’m sure many will follow his lead in shooting a snake or sitting duck for no reason.
It is my opinion that being in the public eye the way he is that he should demonstrate as much as possible the values that would help improve our image instead of promoting the other side.
Phil being a Christian alone does not make him a good person, it is how others see him and how he shows value in what he does that makes people be judgmental of him.
I would tell him the same thing in person and I mean him no disrespect as a person but I truly dislike many of the values that he demonstrates on his tapes. Would he care? NO. Many say what you see is what you get. Phil’s value system is not in line with mine, Does this make him wrong? NO. Only in my eyes and others that think like me does it matter. You can’t please everyone and you shouldn’t try. You can only live up to the values that you hold in yourself as real value.
I think that his religion, his contributions to Waterfowl related organizations, the selling of tapes and calls, and killing ducks is where Phil’s values are. For him that is enough.
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It's funny....none of us are immune to criticism, yet we are so generous with ours toward others. (that's self-inclusive, by the way)
Phil does it His way 'cause that's Phil.....everytime I've talked to him, he looks me right in the eye (like I'm the only person in the room) and he's focused on what the discussion is, not how it looks to someone else. (My point?.....Hell I don't have a point! If I did, I've forgotten what it was) 'Never known him to say what people wanted to hear....that's bein' honest and I appreciate that in folks, regardless of whether I agree with what they do or say.
I am MORE appauled by video reviews.......stuff like "over 260 kill shots", or "150 unbelievable kills". That's not really what I want to see. Sure, I kill ducks.....but I can't say that that's something I want to talk about. I view it as kinda a private matter, shared among those who participate in the hunt.
Also, it never ceases to amaze me when they show 5 guys unload their guns on two ducks at marginal range, barely tip'em down (who knows if they actually retrieved them or not....that's wasted footage) then celebrate like their team just scored the game-winning field goal. The only thing funny (sad) about that is nobody has a clue who actually HIT the duck....'must be celebratin' the 'team' effort. That bothers me worse than anything else I've seen on these things......but Hey, 'looks like they're havin' fun.......and I guess that's what appeals to the masses.....scratchin-out a limit any way you can. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I agree with others.....the early videos were better. I've only seen 'The Art of Commanding Ducks" and "Traditions". What I liked about the former, was waves of working ducks (filmed after the season was over when you couldn't shoot'em)......that's what puts me in awe of waterfowl.....birds in flight...up close! I tell you, the difference in those two videos would be like seeing 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs', then seeing something like "The Exorcist" [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]......'kinda takes-away your sense of innocense.
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Phil does it His way 'cause that's Phil.....everytime I've talked to him, he looks me right in the eye (like I'm the only person in the room) and he's focused on what the discussion is, not how it looks to someone else. (My point?.....Hell I don't have a point! If I did, I've forgotten what it was) 'Never known him to say what people wanted to hear....that's bein' honest and I appreciate that in folks, regardless of whether I agree with what they do or say.
I am MORE appauled by video reviews.......stuff like "over 260 kill shots", or "150 unbelievable kills". That's not really what I want to see. Sure, I kill ducks.....but I can't say that that's something I want to talk about. I view it as kinda a private matter, shared among those who participate in the hunt.
Also, it never ceases to amaze me when they show 5 guys unload their guns on two ducks at marginal range, barely tip'em down (who knows if they actually retrieved them or not....that's wasted footage) then celebrate like their team just scored the game-winning field goal. The only thing funny (sad) about that is nobody has a clue who actually HIT the duck....'must be celebratin' the 'team' effort. That bothers me worse than anything else I've seen on these things......but Hey, 'looks like they're havin' fun.......and I guess that's what appeals to the masses.....scratchin-out a limit any way you can. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I agree with others.....the early videos were better. I've only seen 'The Art of Commanding Ducks" and "Traditions". What I liked about the former, was waves of working ducks (filmed after the season was over when you couldn't shoot'em)......that's what puts me in awe of waterfowl.....birds in flight...up close! I tell you, the difference in those two videos would be like seeing 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs', then seeing something like "The Exorcist" [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]......'kinda takes-away your sense of innocense.
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Yall don't take this the wrong way, but most people on this site think way to much, just relax for goodness sakes, sip a bourbon and enjoy the cool weather! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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I appreciate your attempt to avoid ruffling any feathers. Some DO think a lot. Here's why I take things like this, serious.
Duck hunting perceptions have changed dramatically, in the 30 years I've been doing it. Duck hunters have it pretty good, right now. However, if you haven't experienced what is known as the 'lean' years (like the late 60's/early 70's), you can't fully appreciate just how good we've got-it.
It's real easy to take things for granted (the WTC bombings made us all consider that) and when I see things that I view as 'BAD' for the sport of duck hunting, naturally I get concerned. Of course, only history (hindsight) will prove what was worthy of our concern, and only after-the-fact will it be determined if something had a detrimental effect on the ducks (and duck hunting).
So, I don't think it's a bad idea for us to think how our actions, today, might affect what happens, tomorrow.....that's accountability.....something folks appear to be less and less concerned with IMHO. I just don't want to make any 'mistakes' when it comes to promoting the 'sport' of duck hunting, (at least MY view of duck hunting).
In that respect, you could conclude that I think some videos give cause for concern, but that's purely because they don't represent MY view of the sport, (and apparently those of several others, here). But, who are we to say what's 'good' or 'bad'? 'Got you thinking? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
Duck hunting perceptions have changed dramatically, in the 30 years I've been doing it. Duck hunters have it pretty good, right now. However, if you haven't experienced what is known as the 'lean' years (like the late 60's/early 70's), you can't fully appreciate just how good we've got-it.
It's real easy to take things for granted (the WTC bombings made us all consider that) and when I see things that I view as 'BAD' for the sport of duck hunting, naturally I get concerned. Of course, only history (hindsight) will prove what was worthy of our concern, and only after-the-fact will it be determined if something had a detrimental effect on the ducks (and duck hunting).
So, I don't think it's a bad idea for us to think how our actions, today, might affect what happens, tomorrow.....that's accountability.....something folks appear to be less and less concerned with IMHO. I just don't want to make any 'mistakes' when it comes to promoting the 'sport' of duck hunting, (at least MY view of duck hunting).
In that respect, you could conclude that I think some videos give cause for concern, but that's purely because they don't represent MY view of the sport, (and apparently those of several others, here). But, who are we to say what's 'good' or 'bad'? 'Got you thinking? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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Point taken. But I am a junior W&F student at State, I quit thinking years ago! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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When exactly?? Oh, never mind I know. Right before you decided to go to MSU??? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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DM, that stick in the front yard is the bush you beat all around.... Hearts in the right place, but still missing it.
Judge the man, not his videos is your message. I tend to think anytime someone makes the step to public personailty, they just gave up that right. Think about it, I film 5 hours of video over 10 years of hunting... I'm showing only what i want you to see, EXACTLY what i want you to see. Not only do you know me, you know what i want you to think about me. Spend a weekend with me, and you saw more, but you saw things i couldnt control. Buy my video, and I control what you know. I think the footage is more of an insight than a morning would be. This is excatly why I take exception to the deer shot and the tree shot down. Anyone could use bad judgement in a quick moment. Who would show the poor judgement months later to edit and show doing those things, letting the world see you make an ass out of yourself? I think we all know him more than you would think.
The tobaco spitting was humor. Wives saw the first video and said,gross. He played on that. The peanut was simply him being a celebirty. Ozzy Ozborn pee'd on the alamo, and then worked his way up to biting a bats head off. If your fans think you are gross and outlandish, guess what your next project/stunt shows....The comment about conservation I didnt take that as anything excpet bucking the PC trend to think that standing outside the blind talking about harvesting birds aint whut its about. I knew what he meant, or at least whut I thought he meant, and that was enough for me. Those videos are scripted, with great thought given to what is said when. So if you like/dislike a comment, remember you're watching a show where those things where done on purpose, not an off handed comment. Makes it better or worse, depending on where your standing. This is the reason think you can judge someone by their video, song, tv appearnce what haves you.
I like seeing ducks at close range come apart. I wont apoligze for it, nor will i be shamed into saying i don't like it. Same folks that try to make you feel bad for enjoying it, like to stand in front of the blind and talk about harvesting birds. Watch du tv, you got 3 rich guys on 10,000 acres that nobody ever gets to hunt but there guys, and listen to them talk about a full bag aint what its all about. If they had a bunch of kids with them or a dog worth taking hunting, I might belive them. Instead tune in next week to see where our rich guys hunted...Or maybe catch wade borne pass shooting ducks on tnn, telling me how to hunt...Naw, I'd rather see em come apart at really close ranges, in really slow motion, thank you very much. Everyone of those people let you meet them ontheir terms, and they chose those personas. I can live with judging them by what i see. travis
Judge the man, not his videos is your message. I tend to think anytime someone makes the step to public personailty, they just gave up that right. Think about it, I film 5 hours of video over 10 years of hunting... I'm showing only what i want you to see, EXACTLY what i want you to see. Not only do you know me, you know what i want you to think about me. Spend a weekend with me, and you saw more, but you saw things i couldnt control. Buy my video, and I control what you know. I think the footage is more of an insight than a morning would be. This is excatly why I take exception to the deer shot and the tree shot down. Anyone could use bad judgement in a quick moment. Who would show the poor judgement months later to edit and show doing those things, letting the world see you make an ass out of yourself? I think we all know him more than you would think.
The tobaco spitting was humor. Wives saw the first video and said,gross. He played on that. The peanut was simply him being a celebirty. Ozzy Ozborn pee'd on the alamo, and then worked his way up to biting a bats head off. If your fans think you are gross and outlandish, guess what your next project/stunt shows....The comment about conservation I didnt take that as anything excpet bucking the PC trend to think that standing outside the blind talking about harvesting birds aint whut its about. I knew what he meant, or at least whut I thought he meant, and that was enough for me. Those videos are scripted, with great thought given to what is said when. So if you like/dislike a comment, remember you're watching a show where those things where done on purpose, not an off handed comment. Makes it better or worse, depending on where your standing. This is the reason think you can judge someone by their video, song, tv appearnce what haves you.
I like seeing ducks at close range come apart. I wont apoligze for it, nor will i be shamed into saying i don't like it. Same folks that try to make you feel bad for enjoying it, like to stand in front of the blind and talk about harvesting birds. Watch du tv, you got 3 rich guys on 10,000 acres that nobody ever gets to hunt but there guys, and listen to them talk about a full bag aint what its all about. If they had a bunch of kids with them or a dog worth taking hunting, I might belive them. Instead tune in next week to see where our rich guys hunted...Or maybe catch wade borne pass shooting ducks on tnn, telling me how to hunt...Naw, I'd rather see em come apart at really close ranges, in really slow motion, thank you very much. Everyone of those people let you meet them ontheir terms, and they chose those personas. I can live with judging them by what i see. travis
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Alright, alright.....I admit I like to see a bird 'come apart' up close, too.....('cause that's where you want'em). I just think some of these videos go over board with 'kill' shots. I mean, how many does it take 'fo you get yo money's worth?
Yeah, I enjoy stuff like Fred Zink puttin' big honkers 10 feet off his barrel. And it doesn't bother me to see him roll one, up close.....I just don't get near as excited about 'the shot' as I do during the moments just before, when (in real life) your heart's 'bout to jump out yo mouth...anticipating the 'shot'. I guess that's because, if you're not the one pullin' the trigger, it's kinda hard to get into the 'killin' part. It's not that I'm jealous, I just don't view it as entertainment as opposed to gettin' live birds workin'-in close to the camera. Killin' is pertymuch just a given on the videos.
I know what you're sayin', though and am not taking issue with that.....I respect your opinion, too. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Yeah, I enjoy stuff like Fred Zink puttin' big honkers 10 feet off his barrel. And it doesn't bother me to see him roll one, up close.....I just don't get near as excited about 'the shot' as I do during the moments just before, when (in real life) your heart's 'bout to jump out yo mouth...anticipating the 'shot'. I guess that's because, if you're not the one pullin' the trigger, it's kinda hard to get into the 'killin' part. It's not that I'm jealous, I just don't view it as entertainment as opposed to gettin' live birds workin'-in close to the camera. Killin' is pertymuch just a given on the videos.
I know what you're sayin', though and am not taking issue with that.....I respect your opinion, too. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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