Dredging of the Tallahatchie River!

[HDC]

So we have concluded a few things:

Number of ducks killed by the 1973 floods in Ms. = 0

Number of ducks killed by any flood in the history of the State of Ms. = 0

Things BR549 knows about the Tallahatchie Dredging project = 0

How much BR549 cares about damage done by the Levee Board or the COE to Ms. waterfowl habitat = 0

Benefits waterfowl will receive from the current Tallahatchie dredging project = 0

Information Dan, BR549, or other COE defenders have provided regarding the name of the people in responsible for the current dredging project and/or a way to get in touch with them = 0

BR549 = Kudzu

[c-bank]

HDC, Why you want to come down on those folks so hard? I know both of them personally and believe me there are not many people any more consevation minded or more a true sportsmans friend than those two!
Why don't you just leave them alone. They've both told you where to look and what to look for and at to form your own conclusions. If that's not good enough then obviously you may be one of the problems Dan P. was refering to. Ducks are not the only species of wildlife in MS. More than that they are only seasonal and not something floodwater would affect anyway. Ducks make up a very small percentage of the wildlife in MS. and I for one am interesting in saving all of the wildlife I possibly can!

So you say all the scores add up to O?
Looks to me like they have at least one! Pointing out real Assholes like you!

I don't really have a dog in this fight other than being a sportsman, but I'll be damned if Im gonna sit back and watch someone bash people that don't know what's going on without saying something. Good Day!

[HDC]

C-bank,

What are you talking about?

From the start, my posts came down on the COE for what they are doing on the Tallahatchie. After Dan, BR549, and others pointed out that it wasn't just the COE, it was the Levee Boards and others that lobby for the money and the approval for the COE to do these type drainage projects, I came down on those boards or groups, too.

I have never met Dan, BR549, or you, so I really cannot say anything about them or you personally. I have had experience with the COE and based on that experience do have standing to talk about the organization and I have done so.

We are now on the 8th page of this topic and neither you, Dan, BR549, or anyone else who has called me names or proclaimed that I was ignorant, have provided the name, address, or contact information for the people or organizations responsible for lobbying and getting Congressional approval of the current Tallie dredging project. You guys who claim to be smarter than me either don't know the answer to that question, or you are intentionally not providing that information.

As I read back through all the posts, even BR549 said he wishes they would stop dredging the Tallie. If that is the case, that is something he and I agree on.

Finally, my score card is correct and you know it. You may not like it, but you know it.

[c-bank]

Well Im sorry HDC but I respectfully disagree with ya. I don't like dredging either but if it's a neccessity then just do it. Seems to me with all the channelization that been done in the last 100 years we don't have much of a choice. They have all kinds of boards from government to elected. There are smaller boards that govorn the local drainage districts to the levee boards. Then you have folks like the NRCS and FSA that are telling farmers what they can and can't do. These people look at these problems everyday. Im sure they are much more familiar with the problems than you or I either one. Why not just let them do their jobs that we either hired or elected to do the jobs. None of the water resources, levee boards or commissioners are appointed to my knowledge. They are all elected by the people of the area that they serve. That in itself is good enough for me!

[HDC]

"They are all elected by the people of the area that they serve. That in itself is good enough for me!"

Are you kidding me? Hitler was elected by the majority of the people that he served. That wasn't good enough for the minority in his country, nor was it good enough for the world when his actions effected people other than those who elected him.

Just because someone is elected by a majority doesn't mean that their actions should never be questioned.

Moreover, some of the people effected by the Tallahatchie River dredging project did not get to vote. In fact some of them cannot even find out who is responsible for the project or how to get in touch with them. I know this for a fact.

[BR549]

It's no use arguing with you HDC. It's sort of like Dan said. It's people like you that always object and that ultimatly is what cost the taxpayers (yourself included) more money! All elections are advertised well before the elections in the local papers covering that district. Hell you could even run yourself! (God help us if you were to be elected)
By the way you never did answer my original question. Do you farm the land you own? Obviously you don't or you would have known about the elections!

[HDC]

I don't mind answering your question.

I don't personally farm the land that I own. My grandfather farmed it, and when I was in high school working for him, I helped farm it. Now, I lease it to a local farmer who has been farming it for years.

[BR549]

Well why don't you ask him to let you know. Im sure the FSA in that area keeps him informed!

[HDC]

I will do that.

It is obviously too late to stop the current mess, but I would like to know the history or reasoning behind it. Hopefully, I can get a straight answer from those who lobbied for it.

I personally believe the chances of getting a straight answer or any answer from members of the board or group behind it are slim at best.

[HDC]

In case you missed it, the following is a direct quote from the Madduck article titled "Midnight in Ms." While this article was about the demise of duck hunting in the South Delta, it is applicable to what is going on in the entire Delta.

"By 2008, Mississippi’s version of the “Cadillac Desert” greeted the few ducks
returning to their ancestral wintering grounds. A gradual change that seemed small at first
had grown over the past 25 years to be all encompassing. Fields that had swales were
leveled, fields that once flooded were now drained, ditches that held backwater were
cleared and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers did the rest to move the water downstream
in a hurry. The corps invaded the grounds of the old Swan Lake Hunting Club and ran
draglines to speed the waters’ flow. It cleared a swath through a cypress swamp – a path
of destruction over seven miles long and 300 yards wide that destroyed one of the largest
wood duck nesting grounds in the South. It left thousands of acres of once duck rich
habitat a wasteland."

This is the type of damage that projects, largely performed or carried out by the COE, like the current dredging of the Tallie cause to waterfowl habitat in our state.

[mudsucker]

HDC,
That is one man's opionion! If you ask some one who resides there and may have been saved a catastrophic flood what they think, you will get a different opionion! We told you to contact Benny Thompson, Roger Wicker, and Thad Chochran. Go read the flood contorl act of 1941(or whenever) and you will see what the reasoning was then. Contact Operations Div. USACE,Vicksburg Dist. and they may lead you in the right direction. Ask to speak to Cheif of Dredging Ops. Maybe he can answer the why and how. We, as outsiders, can only speculate. BUT, It is a flood control project I do believe!

HDC=0 points on the getting along meter!

[BR549]

Its also BULLSJHITT TOO! The corps didn't dredge out Swan Lake! Never even been a dragline anywhere in it!

[DUCKAHOLIC]

Thank god we were............................SAVED FROM MABUS................................... .................sorry about my pie hole

[mudsucker]

Its also BULLSJHITT TOO! The corps didn't dredge out Swan Lake! Never even been a dragline anywhere in it!

I know nothing about that. I Thought we were talking about dredging the Tallahatchie?

[Wildfowler]

Its also BULLSJHITT TOO! The corps didn't dredge out Swan Lake! Never even been a dragline anywhere in it!

Maybe not, but they've put in all kinds of ditches and other things that have most certainly changed the topography of that Washington County area that is spoken of in the Madduck article. I'm not from that area, but hunt with farmers and other men from that area who will be the first to tell you that their area is not what it used to be. Ever since the corps started doing work in the area. The ducks just don't come in their like they used to according to the locals I know who have lived/worked that land for the past 40-50 years.

Some really good duck hunting occurred some years ago when the that part of the delta flooded. (not the end of the 05 season that I was asking about earlier) I can't remember exactly which year it was. It happened recently because this website was in service. Anyway, we had to put in one of the main Army ditches running through the area to access the flooded property just south of the Yazoo refuge. (I guess I'm glad the big army ditch was there for us to use) Judging from the number of ducks we saw and killed, I have come to the conclusion that the ducks remember what that territory used to look like when it would flood and came back to it.

Judging from what the Crowder area looks like when it goes under, the ducks come back to it. I hope we don't loose that last natural area forever.

I'm not saying it should be preserved at any cost to landowner/farmer, but it's definitely something we should consider. The last place in the delta that hasn't been "fixed".