Dredging of the Tallahatchie River!

[c-bank]

Well It sure as hell ain't Jackafrica thank goodness! I am a farmer and yes I am an avid DUCK HUNTER and I have benifited greatly from the COE work. Most every duckhunter on here has in one form or another! Ever hunted on any of the state waterfowl impoundments? Who in the hell do you think built them and in most cases maintains them? Wake up HDC

Wingman,

When did you start working for the COE and when is the last time you drove thru the North Ms. Delta?

In your list of things we have "gained" by flood control, you included "community". For starters, where is that community of which you speak? Is it at the gambling boats in Tunica? It sure ain't in Web, Drew, Clarksdale, Tutwiler, Dublin, MInter City, Money, etc. In fact, there is very little "community" left in the Ms. Delta, and dredging the damn Tallahatchie River sure aint gonna reverse that trend.

I suggest you cut you list of gains from 3 to 2. We have gained wide spread ag., and maybe we have reduced disease (the last time I looked there was plenty disease going around in the Delta, and it had nothing to do with flood control). On second thought, you list of gains needs to go to just 1 - wide spread ag.

More importantly, what will anyone gain from the current dredging of the Tallie? One thing......MONEY. Those who work for the COE will keep a job, those who own land along the river will get paid, and those doing the dirt work and dredging will make money. It will not result in any more farming nor will it protect anyone, other than idiots who built homes in a flood plain from loss of personal property.

It is down right criminal!

[HDC]

I ain't anti-millitary and every night me and my kids pray for and thank the lord for the brave guys we have fighting for us over seas. I fully support the Americans that are over there, including the ones who work for the COE.

However, dredging the damn Tallahatchie river ain't got nothing to do with patriotism or navigation, and we would all be better off if the COE would leave the Tallie and other Delta rivers like it alone. Moreover, Congress doesn't mandate that COE mess with rivers like the Tallie, Congress is lobied to include projects like that into spending bills, and it puts these pork barrel type projects into spending bills that authorize the money. Who do you think lobbies for the approval of these projects? The answer is simple. It is the people who stand to get rich from the projects......the COE, the dredging companies, and the people doing the dirt work.

As long as the COE sticks to helping the millitary, I am happy and will fully support them. But until someone can show that our national defense somehow depends on the navigation of the Tallahatchie river, the COE should leave it alone.

COE = Kudzoo

[c-bank]

Congress doesn't mandate that COE mess with rivers like the Tallie, Congress is lobied to include projects like that into spending bills, and it puts these pork barrel type projects into spending bills that authorize the money. Who do you think lobbies for the approval of these projects? The answer is simple. It is the people who stand to get rich from the projects......the COE, the dredging companies, and the people doing the dirt work.

WRONG AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DanP]

Who do you think lobbies for the approval of these projects? The answer is simple. It is the people who stand to get rich from the projects......the COE, the dredging companies, and the people doing the dirt work.

It's quite obvious your speaking without knowledge or experience so please spare us from further dillusiuons of the truth.

[HDC]

Do you really think Benny Thompson sits around Washington thinking about the Delta rivers that need dredging to ensure navigation and flood control; then, out of the goodness of his heart and out of concern for the commerce on the Tallatchie river decides to write a bill MANDATING that COE go dredge it? If yes, then you and I will never reach any middle ground on this one.

Who do you think gets Congressmen to put river dredging projects on the Tallahatchie river in spending bills? Who is giving them the suggestion that things like this NEED to be done? COE representatives or others who stand to profit from the project. If you disagree, tell me who does it?

COE = Kudzoo

[HDC]

DanP,

Please enlighten us all with your wisdom, knowledge and experience. What bill authorized the spending for the current dredging of the Tallahatchie river, what Congressman or Senator sponsored the bill and who told that Congressman or Senator that the work NEEDED to be done or MANDATED?

I have never worked for the COE, but I have knowledge and experience with the environmental devestation caused by COE projects. I know money makes the world go round, and I know that money is what is behind stupid projects like the one that is the subject of this thread.

And, I know the damage that has been caused by Kudzoo, but I am not sure if I am spelling it correctly. HA! HA!

COE = Kudzoo

[Bully]

I have said enough on this one already guys. Later.

[DoublePslayer]

RAY? Is that you? [/quote]

Nah. It's one of those daddy's, uncle's, cousin, twice removed things. It still is annoying to here it all the time though.

[BR549]

Uh HDC. I believe it was the same one that authorized the pumps to be put in and all the resoviors in north MS to be built. Don't remember the name of the bill but it was done in 1941!!!!

[Delta Duck]

It's yo Yazoo Mississippi Delta Levee Board District!!


My take on the thing is it's just going to make it a rich mans game for sure!

Everyone that had good leases in the lower Quitman and Tallahatchie county are going to have to pump and pump early if they want to hold any birds. $3 fuel is tough. It could rain! Maybe around Christmas!!!

I will have as much water on as much as I can starting the 1st of Nov 2008.

It needs to be atleast 50% of the duck holes full of water by the first week of Nov.

[mudsucker]

It's yo Yazoo Mississippi Delta Levee Board District!!

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! They, levee boards, can lobby. The ACOE , as a government agency, can not! We were told that back in the early '90s when the private industry tried to get into law, the laying up or abolishing our dredge and jobs. We had maritime industry in the region come to our defence and save us. We do not get as many days dredging as we used to as a concession to private industry. There is YO lobbying right there!

Did you NOT understand maintanence dredging? Benny Boy may not have been born when this flood control project was authorized. the levee districts are the ones that these projects are given over to. Contact them and your man in congress Ben-E-Tom! Your anger is misplaced.

[MSDawg870]

Its Kudzu!!

[HDC]

A direct quote from the 2009 Budget submitted by U.S. Army Corps of Engineers:

"This Budget represents the prudent use of available funding to advance important, mission-based objectives. I am proud to present it."

John Paul Woodley, Jr.
Assistant Secretary of the Army
(Civil Works)

Maybe it is just me, but this doesn't sound like it was being submitted by someone who Congress mandated to dredge the Tallahatchie River in Ms.

Give me a few days and I think I may can find out who dreamed up and requested approval and funding for the current dredging of the Tallie.

COE = Kudzu

[BR549]

Who gives a rats booty!!!!!
It's gotta be done sometime !!!

HDC It's folks like you that need to take the bus!!!!!!!

[DanP]

It's yo Yazoo Mississippi Delta Levee Board District!!

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! They, levee boards, can lobby. The ACOE , as a government agency, can not! We were told that back in the early '90s when the private industry tried to get into law, the laying up or abolishing our dredge and jobs. We had maritime industry in the region come to our defence and save us. We do not get as many days dredging as we used to as a concession to private industry. There is YO lobbying right there!

Did you NOT understand maintanence dredging? Benny Boy may not have been born when this flood control project was authorized. the levee districts are the ones that these projects are given over to. Contact them and your man in congress Ben-E-Tom! Your anger is misplaced.

Thank you Mud. Levee Boards and Water Mgmt Districts do most of your lobbying. COE is simply carrying out what it is charged with.

If the COE has such an agenda then why are they charged with regulating section 404 of the CWA? Why is it dang near impossible to get a permit from them to do anything? Heck we can't even get a permit to put 200 yards of ditch bank 4' under water at Bee Lake for a new weir.

I'm not promoting the dredging of the Tallahatchie and I'm not saying the COE is perfect. You just can't place all the blame for what has happened to the MS Delta on them. It's called progress, technology, civlization. People living and farming in the Delta have just as much right to be there as people living around the Ross Barnett in Jackson which used to be some of the most beautiful gum/cypress swamps you have ever seen. And yes it sucks. I would love to see the Delta as it used to be, but its not. Hydrology has been forever altered with levees and channels and if you really care about conservation in the Delta then you have to accept it and figure out how to work with/around it improve the natural resource base.

I can show you numerous examples where the COE have taken giant steps for natural resource conservation and water quality. I can also show you examples of extreme wastes of taxpayer dollars and ecological disasters.

Nobody is perfect the COE is merely doing their job.


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