How Sorry is this?

[Unkljohn]

I hunted deer with dogs when I was growing up, some folks do it right and others just don't give a damn about private property or the game laws. There is a club local club here that fall into the 2nd category, they will turn loose where they know full well that the dogs are going onto my posted land. I have been sitting on the edge of a clear cut before and seen them drive up to my gate and turn loose a pack of dogs. They make going down the public roads dangerous. Imagine rounding a curve to find 15 trucks scattered along with men standing up on the toolboxes with loaded guns waiting for the deer to cross!! They drive like maniacs trying to cut them off.
I hunt with a bow only, so yes it does definately decrease my chances of killing deer when their pack comes through my land.
I have dealt with it for years and they are not going to change. I've found the best thing to do is just to catch them, haul them to the nearest gate and tie them up there. They usually find them pretty soon, and most of the time will go to a different area before they turn loose again.

[BUCKWHEAT]

I don't know why anyone cares if a dog runs onto their adjoining property anyway unless you might think that a bunch of hunters are following them to trespass and hunt on your property. Otherwise, a pack of dogs are not going to bother your deer or the ability for you to kill your deer. Worst case scenario some does or maybe a buck gets pushed or chased. The does and the buck will be back on your property within 24 hours anyway if not sooner. Best case scenario, you might get a shot at a buck that you would'nt have in a normal still hunting situation.
During the off season when everyone is playing summer ball, and cutting their yard and going out with friends and family do you have any idea how many yard dogs and wild dogs and coyotes are running your deer on your property. Am I way off base here? Have I missed the point?
I know that we all ultimately get along but let's remember to not let this stuff
get out of hand. Whether we are Trapper's, Hunter's ( dog or no dog) or fisherman we all have to stick together and keep all fodder away from the anti-hunter and their organization's.

PS : The wiley old buck knows how to avoid you and he is seasoned at avoiding 4 legged predators. The still hunters in our club love the dogs. The bucks get up and move pretty well immediately after the dogs are gone.

You obviously have not had a hunt ruined by a bunch of dogs running deer out from under your stand while you are waiting for an opportunity to draw/shoot. I've had it happen several times. You spend the long hours scouting/finding/hunting a big deer (150+) and have your opportunity to shoot it screwed up by a bunch of damn dogs that have come deep into your property and I guarantee you that you will get pissed off.

I'm fine with folks running dogs if they have the room and are responsible. Unfortunately that is usually not the case. I've done it before and had a great time. However, we usually ran dogs on a long penninsula on the River with no way to screw other folks' hunts.

[SaddleCreek1]

I have hunted with dogs one time and will have to say it was my last. I saw more deer get wounded then killed. I also had the light on the front of my truck get shot out by an irresponsible hunter. To me there is nothing worse then running dogs and you cannot compare it to duck hunting with a dog or any other kind of hunting with a dog for that matter. There is really no sport in it.

[wilhar]

Boy I poured gas on that fire!

Hell, I agree with all of ya.

[rtreecameraman]

if ur gonna run dogs run them on ur on damn property and thats fine..but when they get on someones private land and mess up their hunting then theres problems..catch the dogs take off their collar let them go and trap a coyote and put the collar on him and try to find the collar then!!!!!!!!!!

[Deagle]

The problem is that most people won't take time to teach their dogs to read! Mine have been avoiding posted land for several years now. But hey, if you don't have signs on your land, then it's your fault.

[littlesmacko89]

[quote="Deagle"]The problem is that most people won't take time to teach their dogs to read! Mine have been avoiding posted land for several years now. But hey, if you don't have signs on your land, then it's your fault.[/quote]

in the state of mississippi you dont have to have posted signs present saying this is your land............found that out today right on along with a 290 ticket........he said i was trespassing and i went on the line going to fight it but ya know idc

jus wanted to add that

[hawkeye]

If I'm not mistaken, dogs are an extension of their owners and thus their owners are held accountable of their actions. If they're not they should be. Let's say Jamarcus has a pit bull in his yard, guard dog of course, he would never use it for fighting. One day, said pit bull goes onto neighbors property and attacks their dog, killing it. Once pryed off, it attacks said landowner, giving his arm a good mauling. Chit happens? I think not. Dog owner will face a penalty. Same should hold true for deer hunting with dogs.

I get so sick of hearing that there are a few bad apples, giving the rest a bad name. Bull crap. 95% are bad apples, the other 5% try to do it right. I would say the type of dog you are hunting has more to do with catching them than how many acres you have to hunt. Walkers will RUN a deer slap out of the county. Beagles are a bit slower and usually more catchable. The only problem with that is that most of them have had the chit beat out of them, making them scared of virtually every human being alive. Most dog hunters know full well their dogs are going on the private land, and don't do anything to stop it. Because they know the dogs stand a chance of running them a big buck they might not otherwise see. And all that money and quality deer management the landowner has been practicing for years goes right out the window. The deer will be gone only 24 hours? Right. Not if Billy Joe Bob shoots it off the side of the highway or his walkers run it into the next county, both of which happen all the time. If they get away with it one time, they are more than likely gonna try it again.

I know a group of dog hunters that hunt a BIG piece of land. They hunt primarily off 4 wheelers and every dog has a shock collar. They turn them out, kill WHATEVER the dogs run. If they get hungry, they go get lunch. When they return, they turn shockers up on highest setting and start hitting the red button. When they hear the dogs yelp, they've just located them. Nice. Actually heard from a good friend that still dog hunts some the other day that he went hunting with this group. They turn their dogs out, then go down a piece and everybody gets in a line. They all drive across a grass field, and kill whatever deer gets up. Then they waited for the dogs. Deer runs by being followed by dogs. Guy gets on 4 wheeler and chases them down. The guy is running WIDE OPEN, lets go of the handlebars, picks up rifle(still moving 40 mph) and shoots the deer. Turns out it was a spike. So you know what he did? He left it laying there. I know deer are overpopulated, but they deserve a little more respect than that. I would say these guys kill on the average of 35-40 deer per year per person. This same group had two unreported shootings last year, one guy got it in the leg with a 30.06 because he was in the line of fire, the other guy caught one in the toe because he was riding in the truck with a loaded gun and hit a bump. I've turned them in, and nothing has ever been done. And this is just ONE group. There are plenty more just like them.

Having said all of that, I'll say this. If you can't keep your dogs off of someone else's private property, then you don't need to be dog hunting. Nevermind the danger involved since MOST of the deer actually killed are shot crossing a road. I do a lot of quail hunting, and yes I use dogs. But unlike your dogs, I can control mine with a simple whistle or command. And if I am hunting private property, I obtain permission BEFORE I go. So don't play that game, you're not comparing apples to apples.

Guys, it's not the dogs fault they have a piece of chit owner that doesn't care about there whereabouts or whether they sleep at home in a warm box or in the cold woods without food because the owner was too lazy to find the dogs. And riding up and down the paved roads doesn't constitute looking for dogs. There are no telling how many dogs meet their makers each year from being shot by their owners for poor performance, getting hit on the highway because the dog didn't know that a highway is no place to take a nap, or just being left for dead. I would never shoot someone else's dog, but like the other guys said, you're lucky you got the dogs back at all...some people don't think like I do. For some of you guys, if you can catch the dogs, take them to Ripley to First Monday and give them to somebody. It's better than killing them.

We really need some kind of legislation to control these "bad apples" as you call them and to protect the private landowners who choose not to have their wildlife run all over creation. It is one of the most unethical ways to hunt deer in my opinion, and will probably still be heavily debated years from now. It ranks right up there with bating and headlighting. But to each their own I guess. Just respect other people's property, abide by the law, and try to be as ethical as you can about it, even on public land.

[lilwhitelie]

A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)

honest question.....what are the penalties for allowing dogs to go on private / posted land?

there is no protection for private landowner's on this subject

well i will do one of three things if this happens and this is going to be my last post on the subject cause im tired of all the &@#! goin on so here are my three

shoot the deer so the dogs will stop and can be returned to the owners

catch the dogs and return to owner

or shoot both of them and toss the collar somewhere in attala county!!!!! end of story.............keep the dogs from runnin off your property or be ready for them to get shot

and personally i think since its your dog that ran on somebody elses property i think you could be charged for trespassing dont know but its your property that came over on someone elses property so idk im leaving it at that

what do i know im jus arguing with a brick wall that wont shut up so yall have fun

please explain what one should do to keep their dogs from gettin on another property holder's land???? enlighten me please...... and charge someone with tresoassing for the dogs crossing lines??? explain that one too....... please do, explain how either is possible.....

not being a smart !@#.... .but to me, neither make sense.... you cant hold a dog from running a deer into other property.... or how you can press charges..... what happens when your lab makes a blind run 250 yards and it ends up pickin the duck up on another property line? could someone press charges on you? should your lab know where the property line that does visually exist is?


yes, i use to run dogs, and no, i dont have a huge problem with it, seen it from both sides......

it think everything has been explained

but nothing to worry bout if you dont run in holmes county

Butterworths dogs are tough and don't sink real well. Holmes co.LMAO

[profiler]

Basically, from what I read here.....y'all think all dog hunters are outlaws, and that it should be more laws to eliminate it.

Yet, you, with a good conscious, can sit in a shoot shack over a rye/clover field you planted and wait till they come in, yet that is ok? Isn't that baiting, which already is illegal? Maybe it's not a corn feeder, yet it's the same principle.

[crowder critter]

you fixin to really stir the pot now profiler

[profiler]

I know I'm stirring the pot, yet I'm tired of being called an outlaw when I'm not.

[JaMak84]

Yes, planting a food plot is baiting, but it takes a little more time, effort, and a little help from mother nature to be successful. After all the preping, planting, and fertilizing of your plots you could still have a bust if the weather doesn't cooperate. How much work is envolved with using a feeder? All you got to do is keep corn in the barrel and the batteries charged. And with a feeder you can control the timing of the bait. With a food plot you can't control what time the deer will come to feed. How much scouting is envolved with using dogs? Very little. Just let the dogs out in an area that you believe deer are utilizing, get ahead of the dogs and wait for them to run something by you. I won't critize the dog hunters that do it RIGHT, because it can be fun to watch them work and it's legal, but the majority don't take the time to do it the right way. That's why I lump most dog hunters and guys that use feeders into the same catagory, deer shooters, because that's all they are concerned with. Deer shooting, not deer hunting.

[deltadukman]

I just want to ask yall. What is the most common "dog running" rifle?

My guess is the Remington 742 Woodsmaster in 30.06 cal.

Not profiling but want to see what all the dog runners use.

[Deagle]

Man, this topic gets started every year. Lots of good coffee house info being flung out here. Woops, I believe I just stepped in some of it. Anyway, I told ya'll last year to start using mexican kids instead of dogs. At least they can earn their keep during the off season.