How Sorry is this?

[crowder critter]

I agree stitch, if a dog hunter intentionally turns dogs loose on your private property without permission then that is a whole new ballgame. But most dog hunters I know have a large block of land that they can hunt, but on occasion those dogs may run deer onto other property. The dogs are usually caught up, and they go back to where they are permitted. The dogs can not help where the deer go, nor can the dog owners. All they can do is make sure they turn the dogs loose on property that they have permission and catch the dogs as quickly as possible if they get on forbidden ground.

[ducksplorer]

Maybe it is unethical to not get off your lazy booty and make a dog go retrieve a duck that you shot down and it coasted 300 yards through a thicket. If you are going to ban one dog and human interaction sport, ban them all. You shoot a dog around here and let the owner find out, you will get a beating or if the right person shot. I wouldnt take it that far by no means but some people are so into it that it would happen to somebody. And the WMA only has 11000 acres to hunt. There is no way we would disrepsect somebody intentionally turn dogs out on there land. This subject could and might go on forever. LOL but whatever, we all have different opinions and if we were all the same it would be boring and this conversation would not happen.

[stitch]

I agree stitch, if a dog hunter intentionally turns dogs loose on your private property without permission then that is a whole new ballgame. But most dog hunters I know have a large block of land that they can hunt, but on occasion those dogs may run deer onto other property. The dogs are usually caught up, and they go back to where they are permitted. The dogs can not help where the deer go, nor can the dog owners. All they can do is make sure they turn the dogs loose on property that they have permission and catch the dogs as quickly as possible if they get on forbidden ground.

I don't care whether it's intentional or not. I grew up running dogs, and we NEVER hunted places where the dogs may go onto property where they are not welcome. If your dogs are going where they shouldn't be, go catch them before they get there. I mostly still hunt now, and nothing pisses me off more than to have a pack of dogs come through where I'm hunting. Again......the INTENTION of the hunter DOES NOT MATTER! If there is any potential in the world for your dogs to go on posted property, or if you can't place guys in places to "catch" dogs before they go places they shouldn't be....again, unethical.

Ducksplorer, I find it rather ironic that you are calling someone sorry for not respecting your personal property........where was your respect for the property your dogs went on?

[DUCK-HUNT]

It's illegal for me to tresspass on anothers property and should be the same for my dog so therfore with this being said deer dogs do it all the time and nothing is done about it.... the sport (don't really know if it deserves that much) should be outlawed

[littlesmacko89]

Maybe it is unethical to not get off your lazy booty and make a dog go retrieve a duck that you shot down and it coasted 300 yards through a thicket. If you are going to ban one dog and human interaction sport, ban them all. You shoot a dog around here and let the owner find out, you will get a beating or if the right person shot. I wouldnt take it that far by no means but some people are so into it that it would happen to somebody. And the WMA only has 11000 acres to hunt. There is no way we would disrepsect somebody intentionally turn dogs out on there land. This subject could and might go on forever. LOL but whatever, we all have different opinions and if we were all the same it would be boring and this conversation would not happen.

but then again u go and let a dog or dogs loose to go jump a deer that u more than likely wouldnt see cause its in stuff that is so thick u couldn't see 10 feet in front of you so you tellin me that you think we are lazy to send a dog after a duck that we shot and it coasted 300+ yards and you send a pack of dogs after a deer that you dont even know where it is and it happens to jump up and you start shooting at the deer what the crap and you are calling us lazy........i think all dog hunters are lazy cause there is no sport in letting a pack of dogs loose to go jump a deer that you would never see until the dogs jump it up.........so dont start with the send a dog after a duck thing cause you are runnin your dogs miles after a deer so you can get some deer meat..................be a man and go sit on a stand and wait for one to come by the right way

[SNOT]

How many states still allow dog hunting? I am as anti-dog hunting as it gets. There is no other form of legal hunting that causes so much crap. It happens over and over......it really needs to be banned or if nothing else, more highly regulated.

[crowder critter]

Stitch,

You said that you NEVER turned a dog loose where there was potential of getting on forbidden ground. I dont think that is possible unless you have permission to hunt every acre of land in the state. I have seen walkers run a big buck slap to another county before they could be picked up. The man said that he hunts on a 11,000 acre WMA, how much more land does he need to be ethical in turning his dogs loose? There is still potential that the deer may carry the dogs onto adjoining private property, so does that mean he should not turn his dogs loose when the MDWFP says he has the right to do so.

In a different scenario, what if a duck hunter shoots a duck and it falls on the neighbors property, do you send your lap dog over the ditch to fetch that duck or do you leave it? If you leave it, do you count it against your limit or shoot another duck?

[ewd506]

We shoot'em and throw the collars in the Big Black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woundedduck]

how many three legged deer do you think are running through the woods right now because of you fools? not to mention any of their other injuries. still hunt or do not hunt at all. i am sorry. its not fair to the deer to chance wounding them and not having a STILL, clean, shot

[stitch]

Stitch,

You said that you NEVER turned a dog loose where there was potential of getting on forbidden ground. I dont think that is possible unless you have permission to hunt every acre of land in the state. I have seen walkers run a big buck slap to another county before they could be picked up. The man said that he hunts on a 11,000 acre WMA, how much more land does he need to be ethical in turning his dogs loose? There is still potential that the deer may carry the dogs onto adjoining private property, so does that mean he should not turn his dogs loose when the MDWFP says he has the right to do so.

In a different scenario, what if a duck hunter shoots a duck and it falls on the neighbors property, do you send your lap dog over the ditch to fetch that duck or do you leave it? If you leave it, do you count it against your limit or shoot another duck?

We would hunt 500 acre blocks, have it surrounded, and catch any dogs before they went to other property.

11,000 acreas...how much does he need?.....obviously this guy needs half the state to do it where he doesn't interfere with other people....so how many acres? How ever many it takes not to go on private property.

Should he not turn them loose on MDWFP land? Certainly most people can. But again, if you can't guarantee that the dogs will not go on private property, then the answer is absolutely no......period! Running deer dogs gives you the legal right to tresspass?

As far as your duck scenario, I would not place myself in a position where I was hunting that close to someone elses property, if I did, I wouldn't take a risky shot where that would happen....but i will play along. Assuming that did happen, I certainly wouldn't go onto someone else's property without their permission, nor would I send my dog to their property without permission.

[ducksplorer]

This is fun isnt it? stirring up a bunch of people that I dont even know and Probably wont ever see. IF everyone was this passionate about things that mattered the world would be a better place. I forget who posted be a man and hunt in a stand line, I have not killed a deer in front of dogs in probably five years. I havent even fired a shot in front of dogs in that long. Do I dog hunt everyay? not hardly. I earlier stated that I still hunt 99 % of the time. I personally dont have dogs and dont have the time to fool around with them but I do love to hear other people's dogs run and will stop them from crossing into private land if anyway possible. You know, none of this really matters in the end. Nothing will change and I will sleep just as well tonight as I did last night. I've enjoyed the entertainment from everyone. Thats all this has been to me. I'm not getting mad at anybody b/c we are all entitled to our own opinion. Carry on. This is my last reply to this topic. You guys can tear at each others throat if you want.

[mshunter77]

Maybe it is unethical to not get off your lazy booty and make a dog go retrieve a duck that you shot down and it coasted 300 yards through a thicket. If you are going to ban one dog and human interaction sport, ban them all. You shoot a dog around here and let the owner find out, you will get a beating or if the right person shot. I wouldnt take it that far by no means but some people are so into it that it would happen to somebody. And the WMA only has 11000 acres to hunt. There is no way we would disrepsect somebody intentionally turn dogs out on there land. This subject could and might go on forever. LOL but whatever, we all have different opinions and if we were all the same it would be boring and this conversation would not happen.

but then again u go and let a dog or dogs loose to go jump a deer that u more than likely wouldnt see cause its in stuff that is so thick u couldn't see 10 feet in front of you so you tellin me that you think we are lazy to send a dog after a duck that we shot and it coasted 300+ yards and you send a pack of dogs after a deer that you dont even know where it is and it happens to jump up and you start shooting at the deer what the crap and you are calling us lazy........i think all dog hunters are lazy cause there is no sport in letting a pack of dogs loose to go jump a deer that you would never see until the dogs jump it up.........so dont start with the send a dog after a duck thing cause you are runnin your dogs miles after a deer so you can get some deer meat..................be a man and go sit on a stand and wait for one to come by the right way

Obviously you have never been on a dog hunt. I do not own dogs or go on dog hunts very often but I will do it every now and then and it is a lot of fun. First of all you obviously do not know how a dog hunt works. You don't just drop them off and wait. You go to a spot where you know there are deer and you walk the dogs into the thicket. So you are right there in the thick stuff with them. Also you have never tried tto catch dogs that are running deer. If you had ever done that you would not call people that run dogs lazy. I bet any old timer that still runs dogs could walk you booty to death in the woods. Also they put alot of time and money into the dogs. Also it is an art because you have to train the dogs, you have to know where the deer are, and where thye will run when they are jumped. Alot of the time you kill deer that are not actually being run by the dogs but just avoiding them. So with that said don't bash something that you obviously have no clue about. There have been a lot of great men that ran dogs and many a great sportsman that got their hunting careers starting by going on dog hunts. Yes some people do not do it the right way and they give everyone a bad name. I have never been on a dog hunt where the dogs went onto someone elses property because we do it right. The ones that do it wrong are no different than people that shoot deer at night, over corn or do anything else illegal. So don't judge them all because of a few bad ones. Do you want nonhunters judging you because of the actions of a few bad apples that do hunt.

[ufgators68]

how many three legged deer do you think are running through the woods right now because of you fools? not to mention any of their other injuries. still hunt or do not hunt at all. i am sorry. its not fair to the deer to chance wounding them and not having a STILL, clean, shot

How many deer are walking through the woods with an arrow stuck in them? I'll be just as many as there are deer with three legs from dog running. How about waiting until the ducks are in the water so you get a STILL, clean shot.

FWIW... I still hunt only, haven't been on a dog run in years but I have no problem with them running through our place. Stirs up the deer on the place next door.

[Bglenut]

Most people don't and will never understand deer hunting with dogs. Most people that talk crap about dog hunting has never been on a hunt when deer dogs are being used.

A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)

There are so many pros and cons about deer hunting with dogs, just like there is so many pros and cons about still hunting.

Putting pressure on deer in the wood can come from hunting with dogs or people still hunting. I have deer hunted with dog and I have still hunted. I like to do both. I have killed deer doing both.

The percent in wounding deer with dogs is not any higher than using a Bow/arrow or Still hunting!

Well I said my peace, so yall keep the bashing up and show how stupid you really are.

[stitch]

A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)

honest question.....what are the penalties for allowing dogs to go on private / posted land?