Take Me Back Tuesday: GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL

[clydesdale]

I believe there is nothing to do about it. First off, humans are too small, and the universe is too big to have any affect on the earth's climate. Not to say that it is good to release fossil fuels, but simply the fact that the earth's climate goes in stages. Ten thousand years ago, the earth was basically a solid block of ice. Fossil fules were not used, so how did the earth come out of the ice age? There is no difference from what happened thousands of years ago than what is happening now. Hell, the earth may be getting closer to the sun for all we know. There is no possible conclution as to why the earth seems to get warmer every year. The future can not be predicted, yet I do think that in decades to come that the earth will eventually start to cool down. And in centuries, the earth will freeze back up again and the process will be repeated.

Al Gore is full of $#!+, and no one should believe him.

The last thing I have to say is that earth is starting summer.

[Bullreds & Greenheads]

Based on a legislative act of 1760, in Philadelphia you cannot put pretzels in bags.

State beverage of Nebraska: Kool-Aid

According to studies, people with schizophrenia rarely yawn.

Human birth control pills are effective on gorillas, too.

[MSDawg870]

On this day in 1949 it was 77F.

[mudsucker]

On this day in 1949 it was 77F.

Did they have sunscreen?

[Hammer]

(A) CO2 concentrations have doubled in the last 250 years and there is no natural explanation for it

(B) You stinking genuises are right and the 10MM folks living in California are wrong?

California Businesses Must Report Emissions

California on Thursday became the first state in the nation to require oil refineries, electricity generating plants, cement kilns and other major polluters to report their annual greenhouse gas emissions beginning in 2009. The mandatory reporting rule approved by state air regulators would affect 800 manufacturing facilities that account for about 95 percent of emissions from industrial sources in California.

For more information go to:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5358913.html

[Hammer]

MORE RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS DRINKING THE GLOBAL WARMING KOOLAID? HARDLY. THE CEOs OF 150 GLOBAL COMPANIES. WHAT DO YOU NAYSAYERS KNOW THAT THEY DONT?

Businesses ramp up calls for climate change regulations

London, 6 December: The leaders of 150 global companies have called for a new UN climate change framework to replace the Kyoto Protocol in 2012, and called on this year’s UN climate change meeting in Bali to “make the tough decisions the world so urgently needs”. This comes just days after the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) asked for further legislation to guide investments.

In a statement, published in the UK’s Financial Times on 30 November and dubbed the ‘Bali communiqué’, the 150 bosses said that tackling climate change is the only way for growth to continue. “Ignoring it will ultimately undermine economic growth,” they added.

The signatories have asked for a comprehensive, international and legally-binding agreement on greenhouse gas (GHG) emission reductions. Crucially, firms from China have signed the communiqué – the Chinese government has so far resisted calls for the country to have legally-binding GHG reduction targets.

The communiqué also backs emissions trading, saying “we believe that an enhanced and extended carbon market needs to be part of this framework”.

Moving towards a low-carbon economy will create new opportunities for business growth, said the group. “New markets for low-carbon technologies and products, worth billions of dollars, will be created if the world acts on the scale required,” said the leaders.

“As business leaders, it is our belief that the benefits of strong, early action on climate change outweigh the costs of not acting,” they added.

But it needs to be part of a global effort. “The costs of action to reduce GHG emissions in order to avoid the worst impacts of climate change are manageable, especially if guided by a common international vision,” said the group.

The statement echoed the CBI’s calls a few days previous, for government action on climate change legislation to guide UK investments.

“We need the government to set the framework,” said Ben Verwaayen, chief executive of Uk telecoms firm BT and the chairman of the CBI’s Climate Change Task Force. CBI director-general Richard Lambert added: “The government is on track, but it needs to make major decisions in the next year… it will require a new partnership between government and business.”

Both the CBI and the Bali communiqué group address the need for businesses to receive guidance now, to spur the investments needed in emerging technologies, such as carbon capture and storage (CCS), for the future. The CBI’s report, compiled from research by consultancy McKinsey & Company, said that CCS for fossil-fuel fired power stations should become more commercially viable after 2020.

The CBI also highlighted energy efficiency, particularly to keep industries such as cement and steel in the UK, in face of tougher targets. “The first thing we will look at is competitiveness. Closing here and moving abroad is bad for the economy,” Lambert said.

The global business initiative was led by the Prince of Wales’s UK and EU Corporate Leaders Groups on Climate Change.

[GordonGekko]

ummm, out of those two...I'll take option (B) as a Federal Judge once told me "Please don't quote the 9th Circuit nobody listens to them anyway."

[Hammer]

6 states are in the Western States Initiative to reduce GHG emissions, 10 states are in the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative to reduce GHG emissions and 6 states and 1 Canadian province have formed the Midwestern Regional Greenhouse Gas Reduction Accord to reduce GHG gas emissions. That makes 6 + 10 + 6= 22 states so far you STINKING GENUISES. What do yall know that these states dont know?

[Hammer]

Oops- my bad. MONTANA has joined the Western Climate Initiative so that makes 7 states in that initiative and a total of 23 states so far you STINKING GENUISES.

QUESTION: Which one of you GW naysayers will be the first to have the stones to recant your earlier position, turn your back on the dark side and walk into the light?

[Hammer]

US IS ALL BY ITS LONESOME IN NOT RATIFYING KYOTO.

QUESTION YOU STINKING GENUISES: WHAT WAS THE NATIONAL AVG PRICE OF GASOLINE WHEN GWB GOT ELECTED PRESIDENT IN 2000 AND WHAT IS THE PRICE NOW?

ANSWER YOU STINKING GENUISES: $1.50/GAL THEN, $3.00/GAL NOW

US Now Alone as Kyoto Holdout after Australian Elections

Supporters of the Kyoto Protocol were gleeful on Saturday after Australian elections left the United States in the wilderness as the only major economy to boycott the UN's climate pact.

The ouster of Prime Minister John Howard stripped President George W. Bush of a key ally barely a week before a conference in Bali, Indonesia, on the world's response to climate change beyond 2012, they said.

For more information go to:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g2n ... D82Beb0qxQ

[Hammer]

London, 29 November: Four out of five businesses around the world want more regulation to drive their response to climate change, according to a survey by law firm Clifford Chance.

Brian Hall, head of the environment group at London-based Clifford Chance, said: “The call for more regulation is significant, though understandable. Businesses setting their strategies on climate change want to see clarity in governmental policy and thinking, so that they avoid uncertainty.”

The law firm carried out detailed interviews with 93 major companies in the US, Europe and Asia. The Asia-Pacific region showed the strongest level of support for more regulation, at 100%, compared to 86% in mainland Europe, 77% in the UK and 69% in the US.

Despite this call for stronger action by governments, most companies already expect the impact of climate change regulation on industry to increase over the next few years. In mainland Europe, 96% of firms believe the pressure will increase, while only 4% think it will stay the same. The picture is similar in the US, with 95% and 5% respectively. In Asia, this falls to 81% and 19%. No company surveyed expects the impact of regulation to decrease.

Meanwhile, companies are confident of their own position. Only 12% did not profess to be ahead of regulation in their response to climate change, with 16% saying they are “a little” ahead, 37% saying they are “some” way ahead and 35% saying they are ahead “a lot”.

Climate change has already started to impact business decisions. Of the firms surveyed in Asia, 44% have already considered acquiring a company because of climate change, along with 19% in the US, 19% in the UK and 13% in Europe. Overall, 7% have considered disposing of a business because of climate change risks – all of these companies were in the UK or the US.

Companies are also developing products related to climate change – only 26% have not yet considered launching such a product. One IT company that makes less carbon-intensive computers, not quoted by name in the report, said: “We have invested $1 billion in developing low-carbon technology and it’s been our fastest selling product in our 25 years of operation.”

Nigel Howorth, an environment partner based in Clifford Chance’s London office, said: "It is striking from the survey just how positively businesses across all the regions view the opportunities flowing from climate change. They are taking the lead and, talking to businesses, many no longer see regulation as a cost but as a driver for innovation.”


Updated 29 November 2007

[Hammer]

HEY STINKING GENUISES:

All your gnashing of teeth seems to be in vain. Duke University economists project a less than 1% hit to GNP as result of implementing Lieberman-Warner Senate bill which just passed out of Committee on a 11-8 party line vote (excepting Warner who voted in favor).


GHG Bill to Have Modest Economic Impact

According to two separate reports released this week, US gross domestic product will be 1% less than predicted in 2030 if the Lieberman-Warner America's Climate Security Act is enacted. The studies by the Clean Air Task Force and Duke University's Nicholas Institute for Environmental Policy Solutions used different models and assumptions but reached similar conclusions.

Nicholas Institute brief:

http://www.nicholas.duke.edu/institute/econsummary.pdf

[gator]

mr. kaczynski, please step away from the keyboard.

thanks, gator

[Po Monkey Lounger]

We don't need no "stinkin genuises". We've got the HAMMER!!!

[IttaBenaKilla]

Don't misinterpret this statement, I am all for emmisions regulation: the Kyoto Protocol is a grand diplomatic gesture, BUT in reality has no substantial enforcement capability. Some of the largest pollution plagued countries signed it, and were applauded, but the same problem that arises with the UN filters into this policy.