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Postby fireplug » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:24 pm

I personally haven't seen that whole speech in full. I am sure that there was a reason for the speech, and this video showed up edited to take the speech out of context. Maybe I'm wrong. Have you seen the whole thing? Are you going to make a judgement based on a video that was cut intentionally to take out the rest of the speech that possibly explained the position? I won't. And I'm sure most clear minded, independent thinking people won't as well.
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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:39 pm

I did hear him ,with my own ears, say the children of illegals should be allowed to stay.....
That means the family of millons now have ticket in...

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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:10 pm

fireplug wrote:I personally haven't seen that whole speech in full. I am sure that there was a reason for the speech, and this video showed up edited to take the speech out of context. Maybe I'm wrong. Have you seen the whole thing? Are you going to make a judgement based on a video that was cut intentionally to take out the rest of the speech that possibly explained the position? I won't. And I'm sure most clear minded, independent thinking people won't as well.


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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:14 pm

Red the CBR wrote:I did hear him ,with my own ears, say the children of illegals should be allowed to stay.....
That means the family of millons now have ticket in...

John


You have left GAPING holes in what he said. He NEVER said that children that are illegal should stay. You must be getting you debating skills from liberals. Taking what he said and twisting it to a point that is unrecognizable from the original. And repeating it.

I have already answered you on this. The closest thing to this is he was against making an exception for non-citizens getting an acedemic scholarship. THAT'S IT! He further explained (and I quote) that "the children should not be punished for the crimes of the parents." He did not say that the kids of illegals should stay and hence the parents and relatives...and whatever else you were throwing in. If your math is: a few non-citizens getting an academic scholarship = millions of illegals coming into this country, then you might want to brush up a little.

You say his immigration standpoints were the same as Bush's, but he apposed the amnesty bill (you keep saying he is for amnesty), he is for securing the border first, he is against the hiring of illegal aliens. I know you must hate to be wrong, but before you keep painting him with this one sided brush, I emplore you to dig a little deeper than articles from his critics.

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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:36 pm

He further explained (and I quote) that "the children should not be punished for the crimes of the parents."


Punishment is deportation.....

So they should not be punished... OK, now I understand... Thanks... :roll:
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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:54 pm

Red the CBR wrote:
He further explained (and I quote) that "the children should not be punished for the crimes of the parents."


Punishment is deportation.....

So they should not be punished... OK, now I understand... Thanks... :roll:


No you don't. To prove it, your last comment makes absolutely no sense.
First off. I immigrated to this country the legal way. I waited in line and got a green card and this May I became a citizen. It makes me sick to my stomach to watch how these illegal aliens are getting a free pass.

But you are absolutely butchering something that he said. Does a child have a choice to what country they are born in? Does a 2 year old have a choice as to where their criminal parents are dragging them? If the government enforces laws (laws that Mike Huckabee is advocating), it won't be an issue any more.

If some Mexicans come here and have a kid or drag their 2 year old here, but they can't find work because it is illegal for them to be employed (the way Mike Huckabee is for), you think they aren't going to take their kid back to Mexico?

Punish the people who broke the law. That is pretty much how the law works right? Deport the people that broke the law.
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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:06 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnS_SmJ9z1E

In his own words you will not hear ONE word about deportation.... Laura is perfect on this....

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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:11 pm

Dude 2 illegals don't make a legal....This is a lose leftwing interpretation of the 14th amendment... They are Anchor Babies or Golden Child... One Anchor Baby can import the mother's uncle's son and so on....
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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:17 pm

Red the CBR wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnS_SmJ9z1E

In his own words you will not hear ONE word about deportation.... Laura is perfect on this....

Where are you from??


Quote me where I said any different. I have said nothing other than direct quotes from this interview. He was never asked what should be done to the parents. He IS for deportation of them and for laws that would make them leave on their own.

I will fully admit that he isn't as stong on immigration as he could be, it is a slight drawback to him as a candidate. But his fiscal, moral, and overall likeablity puts him way beyond any other candidate out there. Both Fireplug and I have derailed your attempts at attacking his fiscal and moral stand points.

I am from Canada to answer your other question.
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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:22 pm

Red the CBR wrote:Dude 2 illegals don't make a legal....This is a lose leftwing interpretation of the 14th amendment... They are Anchor Babies or Golden Child... One Anchor Baby can import the mother's uncle's son and so on....


No they can't. I'm sorry, but you are woefully wrong in that. Just having a relative that is a citizen in this country does not make you any more able to become legal.

Marrying one, is the ONLY way to expedite the process.
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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:29 pm

duramax wrote:
Red the CBR wrote:Dude 2 illegals don't make a legal....This is a lose leftwing interpretation of the 14th amendment... They are Anchor Babies or Golden Child... One Anchor Baby can import the mother's uncle's son and so on....


No they can't. I'm sorry, but you are woefully wrong in that. Just having a relative that is a citizen in this country does not make you any more able to become legal.

Marrying one, is the ONLY way to expedite the process.

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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:34 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby

The term is used by those advocating immigration reduction to describe the process by which the child would become the "anchor" of a chain by which its family would receive benefits from social programs, and by which the parents themselves eventually would become lawful permanent residents or citizens of the United States.

The term "anchor babies" is also used to refer to children born to women who are legally in the U.S. on temporary visas (for example a visitor’s visa) when the child's birth is specifically intended[citation needed] to obtain citizenship for the child under US law; however, this is more precisely described as birth tourism.

U.S.-born children cannot, however, sponsor their parents for immigration to the United States until reaching adulthood, and illegal immigrant parents do not gain any additional legal rights based solely on the fact that they have had a child born in the U.S.


As a Minor... Still it makes it harder to deport a Citizen....

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Postby Red the CBR » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:09 pm

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Postby Warren » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:22 pm

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