Duck Leases

[backwater]

Snapp,

I got your email. I'll try to call you tomorrow or in the next few days.

[Snapp]

Like I said, I don't have a dog in this fight and I do think it has turned in to a fight ... or mud slinging

However, if you do lease a field in Arkansas, especially art that price don't expect 500 birds a year.

To give you an example, I pulled a pit several years ago out of a hundred acre field. The pit a half mile north of it is great and the one due south, about a mile, is also great. You could sit in the pit I pulled and see several thousand bis a day average, but it would not compete with the other two fields. That is now one of our rest fields.

I have no idea what they see or why they prefer one field over another in the very same area, but they do. I just hate for people to blow up expected kill numbers, only to let them be down at the end!

[crackhead]

I would like to make a motion that Red Eye gets voted Dumb booty of the day.

[Faithful Retrievers]

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[RedEyed Duck]

Aw, ya'll are hurting my feelings now.

No need to use the lords name in vain, especially not at my expense.

I don't expect I will ever lease a place regardless of what the cost is without asking how it has done and how it might potentially do in the future considering past success. Call it what you will. I also won't purchase a vehicle without knowing the fair market value or a house without seeing the appraisal.

I don't like to hunt out of the Arkansas style pits. It has nothing to do with the mud, don't know where that came from or from who. Those things are uncomfortable, have no room and I just simply don't like em.

Arkansas has fields for lease around every corner. Don't ask questions you might end up wishing you had.

I still stand by my comment that Mike is an honest fella, regardless of any laughing that might have occured at my expense.

I'm ok with being done with this too. I wasn't my intent to sling any mud, matter of fact, I don't think I have. I was just pasing on information to any interested parties. I have no axe to grind when it comes to you or anything that you are involved in, heck we don't know one another, never even met. Apparently you took offense to the info that I got from Mike, not much I can do about that as the man leasing the ground, or leasing for the land owner made that comment himself.

[RedEyed Duck]

I would like to make a motion that Red Eye gets voted Dumb booty of the day.

Probably won't be the last time either!

[backwater]

I would like to make a motion that Red Eye gets voted Dumb booty of the day.

I think that about sums it up.

Just thought it was a arragont on your part to come on this board and try to question me and the man I was representing by telling everyone you didn't think the lease was worth the $. But I'm sure everyone on this forum appreciates your expert opinion. Hehehe...

Hope you aint the one making the final decisions for the crew you represent.

For you not to think that place is worth $3000 is truly a bad judgement call on your part...trust me.

I would've rather you had called me and expressed that to me personally...not to the members of this board. And you could've thanked me and said not interested but may check back with you later down the rd. At that point me and you would probably have hooked up one day. I like to help out my fellow hunters. I'm always coming up on leases and due to family ties have been able to meet some good people in Poinsett Cty.

I want to end this but I can't help myself. IMO, for you to make the number of birds a man estimated that you would kill on the lease as the main criteria for making a decision to take the lease makes you truly look like a jacka$$.

You should see that field right now...the Cache is out and the field and the woods is plum full of water. No way for that water to get out now.

The group that is renting is tickled pink. They took one look at it and said cash or check.

Best of luck to ya this season...hope you don't get too much mud on your ego.

[backwater]

No need to use the lords name in vain, especially not at my expense.

That's probably the only smart thing you said in the entire post.

I apologize to the members of this board for doing that...I know better and that is not who I am. I let this arrogant fool get under my skin.

[RedEyed Duck]

Just thought it was a arragont on your part to come on this board and try to question me and the man I was representing by telling everyone you didn't think the lease was worth the $. But I'm sure everyone on this forum appreciates your expert opinion. Hehehe...

Guess I will bow to your expert opinion next time I am spending my money.........

Hope you aint the one making the final decisions for the crew you represent.

The only person that I represent is myself. The rest of the crew could have leased the place without me. I don't make their decisions.

For you not to think that place is worth $3000 is truly a bad judgement call on your part...trust me.

Call it whatever you will. Mike personally stated that in his experience in that area the timber has done much worse than the fields in the past several years. If you remember, I choose not to hunt out of a pit. Just my personal preference. So, my decision was primarily based on the majorty of the quality hunting being done from the pit and not the blind on the slough. I just don't care for that to be my experience. So if its bad judgement on my part for choosing blind hunting over pit hunting then I am guilty of bad judgement! My situation is also some what different in that I have a duck hole on the TN river that is the primary place that I hunt, this would have been option B for me, although that was not the case for the others that looked that day.

I would've rather you had called me and expressed that to me personally...not to the members of this board. And you could've thanked me and said not interested but may check back with you later down the rd. At that point me and you would probably have hooked up one day. I like to help out my fellow hunters. I'm always coming up on leases and due to family ties have been able to meet some good people in Poinsett Cty.

I will now take the time to THANK YOU for all your trouble. I am happy for ya, that you have connections via family ties.

I want to end this but I can't help myself. IMO, for you to make the number of birds a man estimated that you would kill on the lease as the main criteria for making a decision to take the lease makes you truly look like a jacka$$.

Its pretty obvious that you just can't help yourself. Sure wish I could have the effect on women....... Call me what you will but this will always be a factor in any decision that I make concerning hunting. Just as location, folks I will be hunting with, enjoyment of the hunt and cost will be factors as well. Would you enter into a deer lease that had no deer? Plenty of good looking places to hunt in AR, but that doesn't mean they kill any birds or enjoy their hunts.

You should see that field right now...the Cache is out and the field and the woods is plum full of water. No way for that water to get out now.

Water was never an issue. The slough had water and if you remember I don't care to hunt out of a pit.

The group that is renting is tickled pink. They took one look at it and said cash or check.

I have the have a stellar year and I truly mean that!

Best of luck to ya this season...hope you don't get too much mud on your ego.

My ego will make it just fine regardless of how much mud you choose to sling.

There is one thing that I just don't understand. Why do you take this so personally? I don't care to attack you as an individual/person just wasn't interested in the lease that you contacted me about via the forums. Spoke to the fella leasing for the landowner when looking at the lease and provided those interested with some information concerning said lease. If that info should not be common knowledge then take that up with the man that made the comment. Sure does make me wonder what you do have at stake here just given the furry you approach the topic with, time and time again. Maybe its just that you are passionate about duck hunting and that carries over. Are you a bad guy becuase I wasn't interested in the lease that you or Mike have to offer, absolutely not. Do I care for your approach or the way you have handled this situation, absolutely not. However, I don't take it personal and for some reason you seem to be doing just that.

I too hope that you and your crew have a good season, regardless of actions, mud or egos.

[backwater]

There is one thing that I just don't understand. Why do you take this so personally?

As I've said numerous times. I took it personally b/c you questioned me and made my business public on this forum. I would have rather you called me and discussed this privately. Trust me, it wouldn't have bothered me at all. I couldn't care less whether or not you leased it or not. I may have gained a case of shells or a steak dinner from it and that's it. I have no interesst in these properties.

Plain and simple, I feel that I didn't deserve the public questioning. You questioning me on this forum as to be looking out for everyone's interest just doesn't make sense. Ask any of my friends on this forum what kind of person I am. If I can help out a fella duckhunter I'll gladly do it. My buddy was in a bind b/c a group from BAMA committed to these leases then backed out at the last minute. Kinda put him in a bind when he assured the landowner (his friend) he had leased the place. Which is the only reason I posted the ad publicly. My buddy is not exactly tech savy so he asked to put the word out. These forums are great for that. Certainly even you can understand that. Plus, I'm a private person and don't don't reveil my my personal opinions and thoughts very much on these forums until someone rattles my cage.

Spoke to the fella leasing for the landowner when looking at the lease and provided those interested with some information concerning said lease. If that info should not be common knowledge then take that up with the man that made the comment.

Here we go again. Just realize that a question like that would make any landowner/leaser queezy. He gave you an honest opinon b/c that question is nearly impossible to answer. He would've rather said 50 and you guys have killed 300 versus him say 300 and you guys kill 50. I personally have never had to deal with this issue and it just amazed me and a lot of other people that someone would get so hung up on it. Then you come out on this forum and publicly ask me, and I quote:

How many ducks can these guys expect to kill out of these holes?

Bud, if I knew the answer to that I'd be invaluable. to a lot of people

Guess he should've said all ya'll will probably kill 1000 out of them woods easily. You probably would've written a check huh? The man is too good of a person to use BS numbers to lure duck hunters. He'd rather form a long time relationship with ya but you and your buds see it differently. For that, I feel sorry fer ya.

TOPWATER alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe its just that you are passionate about duck hunting and that carries over.

You have no idea. It's cost me more than I'll ever admit.

You started this by questioning me publicly.

Good day to ya red eye..

[RedEyed Duck]

I have one last question.

You're telling me that you would lease a place without asking how it has done in the past and what to expect?

[fivemile]

I don't know what part of the state Arlington and Bartlett are located; but I hope they are a good ways apart.

[Snapp]

I saw a site that had a symbol that looked like a guy was beating a dead horse ... wish we had one here. For that matter, wish I hadn't thrown in my two cents ... but since I did ... here's a few pointers about leasing.

Is water GTD?

If so, how many acres will flood?

Who is responsible for levy repair?

What is the closest pit someone will be hunting?

Not how many did they kill last season, but why are they not leasing again this season?

Can I have the name and number of the person who leased it last season?

What happens if a flood or disaster creates a situation where the field will not hold water?

What happens if a flood situation floods the pit or whose yet, covers it completely?

If the pit needs pumped, who is responsible for doing the pumping?

What time frame is considered reasonable from the time notification is given the pit must be pumped?

Who brushes the blind and what will it look like (if a blind or pit is involved)?

Who is responsible for cleaning the pit the first time?

Will the field be flat rolled, mudded or burned?

Who sets levy spills?

Who monitors for trespassing and will you have authority to prosecute if some are caught? Our law requires a written lease for you to do that!

If you want to renew, will you have first right of refusal?

Is an extended term lease available as an option?

Does the lease cover goose season, if a field? Deer hunting if timber?

All kidding aside, you can bet your butt I'll asked all these questions if I'm looking at ground! In fact, this would make a good manuscript, but file them away. I've screwed up enough stuff over the years I've learned a lot ... from those mistakes and have a lot more to learn, but this is information a landowner can provide. Kill numbers ... are like fish, they tend to grow.

At our operation we do not record any kills from Unguided, but we know every kill from guided since we include picking in with the hunt. We know what goes through the picker!

[champcaller]

popcorn.... whos bringing the popcorn?

crackhead, you got it this time ill get it next page













sorry, just had to lighten it up

[hottytoddy]

I would be willing to pay that if there were a place to stay there just to get away from the old lady for the weekend. Two years ago I had her believing that duck season ended the day crappie started biting. LOL