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Duck Leases

Postby backwater » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:34 pm

Posting for a friend.

Few leases still available in NE Arkansas (Grubbs, Weiner, Amagon).
-Soybean field with guaranteed water in Cache River bottoms.
-Soybean field with guranateed water close to the Bayou De View WMA.
-Small timber tract with rice field (not guaranteed water) and blinds on the Cache.

All established duck holes with good history.

Think at this point he's willing to negotiate on price. :wink:

Can PM me or call me (901-848-4209) for more info and I'll get you in touch with him. Serious inquiries only please!!
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Postby brandon327 » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:23 pm

pm sent
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Postby backwater » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:39 pm

Please send again. Didn't receive it. :?
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Postby fivemile » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:07 pm

Sent you an email. Don't believe the P.M. is working.
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Postby backwater » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:19 pm

Fivemile,

Check your email.
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Postby brandon327 » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:04 pm

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Postby Ground Swiper » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:42 am

Backwater could you send me the info? PM is not working, I don't know why.

Thanks
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Postby backwater » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:22 pm

Best bet is to call me with questions and I can get you in touch with the landowner/leaser. I'll be over there this weekend and we're planning on showing them. They can be seen either Saturday or Sunday.

Price: $3000 - $3500 depending on lease?? Which for this area is a very good price. These usually lease for much more but they are willing to negotiate b/c it's so close to the season. Something you and the leaser will have to work out. A group from Bama had committed to all these then dropped the ball and didn't pay up.

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Postby grnhead1 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:01 pm

backwater.. are any of these leases still available??
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Postby backwater » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:08 pm

Yes...two of them are still available. The one North of Grubbs on the Cache has been leased.

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Postby RedEyed Duck » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:10 pm

How many ducks can these guys expect to kill out of these holes? After looking at the timber hole and rice field on the Cache and talking to Mike about them. He said that if a man hunted that place hard, he could kill 200 ducks. Just don't know many folks that are willing to pay money (regardless of the discount) for a place such as this.
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Postby backwater » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:00 pm

He got a committment today but give me a break Kelly! :roll:

How in the hell am I or Mike suppose to know the answer to that? Do you think either of us have a crystal ball? He nor I know your duck hunting abilities, what mother nature has in store for us this winter, or where the ducks want to be. Wish I did. :lol:

I run a club and when a new guy asks me how many ducks we'll kill in a yr I laugh and say who knows. Look at the books to see how many we recorded last yr...but take it for what it's worth.

I've come across guys that could have the best lease in all of Arkansas that couldn't kill a duck on it if they had to. :lol: I've never heard of anyone leasing ground for duck hunting estimate how many ducks someone will kill on the lease. That's ridiculous! :roll: :roll:

If you didn't think the lease was worthy then that's your personal opinion.
And that's all it is...your opinion. That lease has a long history...the blind has been there 40+ plus years and there's been a many of ducks killed on that farm.

And I don't appreciate you hijacking this thread. Especially after you wasted mine and Mike's time. If you're not interested in it then please keep your mouth shut. :evil:
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Postby RedEyed Duck » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:28 pm

Bubba I'm just putting info out there for the people that need to know. I can't imagine anyone leasing a place without asking what it has and was capable of doing as far as numbers and quality of hunts go. Some of the history that I got was that the place used to lease for $10k per year, USED to lease for that. Guess it aint that good anymore. The price is surely the limit as far as the market goes........

Mike personally told me that if it was hunted hard a fella could kill 200 ducks. I understand that you and/or Mike have no idea about the quality of hunter to which you are leasing or the # of birds they might be capable of killing. That being said, if he was sandbagging to account for poor hunters and to avoid possible disappointment then you might double his #, heck might triple it. I have leased from Mike in previous years and found him to be a very honest fella. He was very honest in my previous dealings with him!

If the spot is SO GOOD then why is it still available? As to wasting your time thats a pretty asanine statement. Don't advertise something for sale of lease if you can't deal with folks deciding they are not interested after looking. Guess if you were selling your house all the interested buyers that looked but didn't buy would be wasting your time too. I don't expect you wasted too much time on my crew seeing the property anyway. A few phone calls, but not much time. I believe that it was Mike that met us and showed us the property. At the end of the day, the lease was not worth the money to me and my crew, wasn't a lot of money just wasn't worth it as far as money paid for quailty hunting spot.

Also, please explain as to why you aren't hunting it this year as well.

As to me keeping my mouth shut, I expect I'll keep talking and typing regardless of your personal preference.
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Postby Snapp » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:50 pm

Numbers is a tough question.

Look at it this way, if you had four people hunt 1/3 of the days they could and they killed out every day that would be 480 ducks. That would be an above average field for sure! I saw something a year or two ago that said the average duck hunter killed something like 1.5 ducks per day. That seemed low, but then again we all have days where the 0 jumps up and slaps us in the face :oops:

If you see an average of a 1,000 ducks a day ... how many will someone kill? That all depends on how they shoot, can they really read the birds and work them? For that matter, the list of variables is endless.

However, a few years ago I had a guide tell me he killed 1,500 out of a single field that season. That's 25 ducks a day, seven days a week for 60 days. That's not going to happen, but if it does ... I'll lease the location if it's anywhere close to me. Hell, I'd probably lease it where ever it was with that kind of numbers.

Over all we are very fortunate to run the kill numbers we do most years. Even then, most weeks we rest our ground three days a week, only shoot guided hunts until 2 p.m and the days we hunt, we hunt about 45% of the locations used for hunting. We've always tried to have a rest area or two and this year I've already got water on nine rest fields. Meaning no pits in them, so they are rest fields.

If you could get the spot that limited everyday, day in and day out, I'd take it and stop spending all the other money on fuel, ground and rest days.

If someone tells a person 200 to 300 ducks a year on a lease, I would think they were trying to be honest.

While I don't have a dog in this fight, I do like to see people use realistic numbers ... not the outrageous ones and then everyone be upset at the end of the season and gripe about the area.

With that in mind ... whomever has the spots to lease, send me some general info on size, where they are located, size of pits and water policy. I might be interested. I'm always looking for the right place and the area you have mentioned is a good area in general. We also carry our own insurance and even cover a lease landowner with insurance for them. snapp1@sbcglobal.net
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Postby backwater » Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:30 pm

Bubba I'm just putting info out there for the people that need to know.


Need to know what jacka$$? All I was trying to do when I talked to you on the phone repeatedly was help you out and put you in touch with a man that is someone good to know in NE Arkansas. He has some awesome leases trust me. I can give you a list of a bunch of duck hunters that rely on him. :wink: :wink: That does you no good now that I can guarantee. :lol: I never was in a position to make a dime off the deal. I was simply trying to help out a friend (Mike) that has done me favors in the past. He had asked me to get the worrd out so I did. I will never do it again. And the fact that you would hijack this thread as to give guys info as you put it makes me think a lot less of you.

Also, please explain as to why you aren't hunting it this year as well.


That's none of you god#%^& business but to be honest, I'm spent out for the yr. I've got over $20k invested in leases right now and working on leasing a tract of timber that borders some of my other timber. Don't have any $ left. Plain and simple. If I did I would keep it. Would you like to see my budget for this yr as well?

If someone tells a person 200 to 300 ducks a year on a lease, I would think they were trying to be honest.


While I don't have a dog in this fight, I do like to see people use realistic numbers ... not the outrageous ones and then everyone be upset at the end of the season and gripe about the area.


We have a winner...thank you Snapp. Spoken from a man that truly understands NE Arkansas duck hunting. Mike was trying to be honest and doesn' know you or your buddies from adam. Think you scared him when you told him you didn't like to hunt out of pits b/c you don't like the smell of mud. :lol: :lol: Don't care where you're from that's funny right there. Him telling you guys how many ducks you'll kill in a yr would be bad business for him. Me and him actually laughed about you guys repeatedly asking that question. :lol:

You understand the inconsistencies of duck hunting a little more when you rely on it to pay your bills. He leases probably 30-40 tracts a yr to duck clubs and individuals and he does not advertise. If he does it's very little. That says a lot IMO. I've been leasing from the man since 1997. He represents a ton of farmers and landowners in Poinsett/Jackson county area...most of his clients including me are long time customers. He grew up in Weiner and probably shot his first duck when he was 6. He understands duck hunting to say the least. His guide service is strictly word of mouth as well. :wink:

If my club doesn't kill 200 birds in a yr on a paticular field I guess it's no good and I better quit leasing it huh? Had one of my best fields feed out early last yr in about 3 days b/c of those damn snow geese. Bet we didn't kill 50 birds out of it last yr. But guess what, we still have it and hope to be sitting in it on opening morning. My point, too many variables involved to estimate a number. :wink:

Plus I'd be willing to bet there are some fellas on this forum that would consider 200 birds off a lease in a yr pretty good these days. :P

Just not sure what a guy would expect for $3000. Seriously? Did you want a written guarantee? When we have a an opening in our club and I'm talking to potential members I always worry about the ones that ask "how many are we gonna kill this yr?" I usually think oh crap this guy is going to be a pain in the #$% and he must not have been doing this long. :lol: :P

I hate to see duck hunters get so hung up on numbers. In my opinion it's one of the things wrong with duck hunting today. It's about the experience, not how many on the straps.

I'm through with this thread.

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