Take Me Back Tuesday: GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL

[Hammer]

No, you are not answering my question....

The fact is that the hole could not close if the ChFCs had not been banned...Prior to the ban, the hole was getting ever larger, now its not...There are persistent ChFCs in the atmosphere that are volatile compounds triggered by sunlight...Given the Earth's angle to the sun at different times of the year, there are seasonal differences in the amount of depletion but the important fact for our conversation is that manmade chemicals- ChFCs- caused the problem to begin with and many GWNs (global warming naysayers) are also OHHs (Ozone Hole Hoaxers)...

Feeders are set on timers...Timers condition deer as to when bait is present and not present...Dont want deer at the feeder at night? Dont set the feeder to go off late in the afternoon or at night...Food plots have no such "on/off" switch....Food plots dont concentrate deer (and other animals) in a very small area....Food plots dont have alfatoxin potential...There are many differences...I am proud to be from a state where baiting (so far) is illegal...As far as I am concerned, bait state deer should not be allowed in the record books unless a hunter signs a sworn affidavit that he was not hunting over or near bait...Ditto high fences...Because neither one are "fair chase".

[JJ McGuire]

The fact is that the hole could not close if the ChFCs had not been banned

specious reasoning...no empirical data to back it up... just like the rest of the envirofascism.

[cwink]

Not all feeders are based on timers So your argument is no good here..

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Its gettin' deep in here ---- where are my waders?

[JaMak84]

Hammer, how do we know CFCs were the cause of the "hole" in the Ozone? I'm reluctant to call it a hole, because technically it's an area of ozone depletion, not a "hole". Due to conditions prior to the technological advances of scientific study that have allowed us to document this phenomenon we have absolutely no way to determine exactly what the cause is or was. At this time, science is telling us that CFCs do have a negative affect on the ozone, but we cannot say conclusively that they are the cause because we don't truly know how long the depression has existed. The planet is millions of years old, and up until around 600 years ago we still thought the world was flat. With what little historical data we have on the "hole", it could have been there since the dawn of time and we'd have no way of knowing.

[rjohnson]

You naysayers are IDIOTS because you ignore the advice and counsel of men and women whom are far smarter, far more accomplished, far more knowledgable, far more educated about this issue than you are. If nothing else convinced you, the Supreme Court ruling should have.

See I told you we would be idiots again. Now I am far from convinced that the people in Washington are "far smarter, far more knowledgable, and far more educated about this issue." So all of Capital Hill are now experienced climatologists and environmentalists, whatever. If and big if people really thought GW was a real problem don't you think there would be a few more people on this board agreeing with you???

This whole thing is about like a pyramid scheme. Get a couple of people to believe you and sell them carbon credits and you make a little change. Can't you see this is what is happening in the big business and political world. Who's going to ultimately gain from all of the carbon credits and extra unneeded emission cut back??? Think about it. The CEO's and the political leaders that help them spread their agenda. The scientists are trying to raise lab money so they exaggerate the facts and get the CEO's mind churning. The CEO's blow hot air up the politicans' skirts to get legislation passed. The CEO's make the money and pass it on to the politicians all while the common people pay the extra taxes and higher prices for everything from milk to gas to you name it.

I'll refrain from name calling but you're tunnel vision may be blinding you.

[pntailhntr]

Electronic calls are illegal except on Geese which are WAY overpopulated!! They are tearing up the Tundra. So you would rather get rid of Electronic callers that would help kill geese and let them die off by way of Disease and starvation????? Boy Aren't you a nice widlife conservationist!!!

[mudsucker]

Would y'all PLEASE back off of the "Hammer"? Now that I know he is a "MASTER HUNTER" I have a newfound respect for his opionions. He is my new hero. Move over Flyway Highway guys!

[Hammer]

WRONG Pintail Hunter: Electronic deer calls are legal and are being bought by less than master hunters...You can get yours at your local Wal-Mart...

I did not say anything nor reference snow/blue geese but since you asked, the way to control goose populations is to allow hunting them with varmint rifles....Electronic calls, expanded bag limit, extended seasons, creeping, etc are not getting the job done...

There are many studies that prove that the Ozone Hole was/is caused by ChFCs just like there are many studies that prove that human emissions of GHG are the cause of GW but you guys ignore the overwhelming evidence so what is the point of my again referencing them? You dont believe NASA so why would you believe me?

Quick poll and I want honest answers from JJ McGuire, PML, Mudsucker, RJohnson and Pintail Hunter:

How many of you guys are or have ever been cigarette smokers?

How many of you guys are or have ever been tobacco company lobbyists?

How many of you guys support the grocery tax cut/cigarette tax hike?

If you have school age children, do they go to private school or public school?

Have you or your fathers ever belonged to the KKK? the Aryan Nation? Or the John Birch Society?

Stick your heads back in the sand but before you do, are you man enough to honestly answer the above questions?

[pntailhntr]

You Dam right I'm honest enough to answer them!!!

1 - Not even an unlit cig in my mouth!!
2 - I would lobby to blow up every Cig plant and tobacco farm in the world if I could
3 - ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, All for Cig tax hike and Grocery Tax Cut!!! ALthough the Grocery tax cut won't do crap, they will just raise .99 item to 1.06 and so forth.
4 - Private School, I live in the Delta, You can't get a good ed in Greenville or Leland Public Schools. I WISH I could put my child in Public School, Private cost WAY TOO MUCH!!!
5. - NO, NO, and NO

My head is WAY out of the sand!!!!



PS, I've never even heard an electronic Deer Call!!! That's bullshiz

[Hammer]

PTH: No kidding aobut electronic deer calls...

Go to https://shop.primos.com/c-8-electronic-calls.aspx
to check out the Primos line of electronic game calls...

Several years ago I saw an electronic call in Wal-Mart where you put the actual speaker 50-100 yards from your stand and operated it with a remote control...I'm sure somebody can rationalize that as fair chase but I am callign BS on that just like feeders, high fences and all the other crap that guys use to kill deer...

BTW, have you read the entire 36 page thread?

If so, you will see that an incredibly diverse group of presidents, prime ministers, CEOs, governors, religious leaders, scientists and scientific organizations, ad infinitum have come to the conclusion that human emissions of GHG are causing GW. The Supreme Court reviewed the evidence and determined that CO2 is a pollutant under the CAA because it causes GW. How could all of these people possibly have gotten duped by Al Gore and the environazis? What is in it for them to get duped? For every penny the enviros have, industrial and commercial interests have millions of dollars...

The naysayers are right about one thing- there is or was a conspiracy...It was by Exxon and other oil companies to distort the facts on GW....Sadly, some folks still buy their propaganda.

[pntailhntr]

Man I need to get one of those!!! Maybe I can kill something then!!!!

That's just crazy as hell.

I have to say, I'm with you on all the calls and baiting issues BUT, Now days, if they do pass the baiting bill, and you DON"T bait, You won't have any deer, no matter how big or pretty your food plot is, the deer are going to Herd all around the feeders on the adjacent lands around you, it won't be deer hunting, it will be I'm going to pick out the biggest one I see, be back in a few minutes!!!

[JaMak84]

I have to say, I'm with you on all the calls and baiting issues BUT, Now days, if they do pass the baiting bill, and you DON"T bait, You won't have any deer, no matter how big or pretty your food plot is, the deer are going to Herd all around the feeders on the adjacent lands around you, it won't be deer hunting, it will be I'm going to pick out the biggest one I see, be back in a few minutes!!!

This is the biggest misconception about the baiting issue. I've had the opportunity to hunt areas that are divided by state lines where baiting was legal on one side, but not the other. Deer didn't migrate from the non-baited areas to the baited areas. Deer very rarely venture outside of there home range. If a feeder is present in a deer’s natural travel patterns, then bonus for the deer. Most deer will not alter their natural travel patterns for a bucket of corn. That being said, I'm vehemently opposed to baiting.

[pntailhntr]

I'm not to sure about that. The Club I was in used to have deer all over it and the #'s started declining, we found out that the clubs around us were all baiting, we saw less deer, they started killing more deer. Game Wardens have yet to catch em. BUT, the deer are there, just not on our plots, they are sitting around the old corn bucket talking bout the bad ole days of scrounging around the clover.

[rjohnson]

How many of you guys are or have ever been cigarette smokers?

How many of you guys are or have ever been tobacco company lobbyists?

How many of you guys support the grocery tax cut/cigarette tax hike?

If you have school age children, do they go to private school or public school?

Have you or your fathers ever belonged to the KKK? the Aryan Nation? Or the John Birch Society?

1)Never smoked one
2)Believe obesity and tobacco are the two main causes of most medical problems in the world
3)Tax the hell out of cigarettes
4)No children yet but they will go to public school
5)No, No, and No

Now what does that prove other than I wasted 2 minutes of my life answering the questions???