Someone explain this to me, please:
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pntailhntr
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goosebruce
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I'll tell you how I set and judge blinds. can't say everyone does it the same, and defiently can't tell you about other venues.
A blind is a test of control. A blind has a begining (initial line), a middle (the hazards of a blind), and an end (the bird). I expect a dog to show control at the begining, middle, and end of a blind. And if he does, he passed my test of control (i.e. my blind). I do not like blinds that handicap a certain type of dog, i.e. a blind harder for a slow dog, or harder for a fast dog... therefore I don't like tight gaps, or keyholes. I don't like scent on a blind that doesnt make sense to a dog... if he already picked up a mark there, he should understand its an old fall. But if its scent from a bird he hasnt seen, on way to a blind, it doesnt make sense. I don't like posion birds, because I think they are hooky... by the time most dogs are no'd off of them, the posino bird could be back in the blind. I want to see a good intial line, the hazards attacked, and the blind ended strong. I never have a set number of cast refusuals in a blind... but mutiple in a row refusuals show much less control and recovery doesnt mean a mulligan or divine intervention. trouble a dog gets into because of lack of control (like a cast refusual, or worst a whistle refusual) is way worst than trouble a dog gets into cause thats what dogs do, and why the blind was set up. Running at a blind doesnt mean being a hero like bill said... if a point is square in the middle of the window, running fat around the point is not running the blind, but stopping the dog before he beaches and casting is just common sense and good handling.
Judges who care what cast a handler gives didnt set up enough test. Period end of story. what the handler gives is of no consequence to me, or any sancationing body. its what the dog does in responce. travis
A blind is a test of control. A blind has a begining (initial line), a middle (the hazards of a blind), and an end (the bird). I expect a dog to show control at the begining, middle, and end of a blind. And if he does, he passed my test of control (i.e. my blind). I do not like blinds that handicap a certain type of dog, i.e. a blind harder for a slow dog, or harder for a fast dog... therefore I don't like tight gaps, or keyholes. I don't like scent on a blind that doesnt make sense to a dog... if he already picked up a mark there, he should understand its an old fall. But if its scent from a bird he hasnt seen, on way to a blind, it doesnt make sense. I don't like posion birds, because I think they are hooky... by the time most dogs are no'd off of them, the posino bird could be back in the blind. I want to see a good intial line, the hazards attacked, and the blind ended strong. I never have a set number of cast refusuals in a blind... but mutiple in a row refusuals show much less control and recovery doesnt mean a mulligan or divine intervention. trouble a dog gets into because of lack of control (like a cast refusual, or worst a whistle refusual) is way worst than trouble a dog gets into cause thats what dogs do, and why the blind was set up. Running at a blind doesnt mean being a hero like bill said... if a point is square in the middle of the window, running fat around the point is not running the blind, but stopping the dog before he beaches and casting is just common sense and good handling.
Judges who care what cast a handler gives didnt set up enough test. Period end of story. what the handler gives is of no consequence to me, or any sancationing body. its what the dog does in responce. travis
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jksboxofchocolates
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This thread is interesting. I can only talk about HRC and judging blinds.
If the dog improves his position to the bird, the line or the handler, IMHO the dog is under control. I train with someone who has never given an angle cast of any kind. He teaches and gives only overs and backs and his dog takes only overs and backs. When his dog gets off line (where I would give an angle back) he gives an over (to put him back on line) and then a back. He is showing as much control as anyone who gives angles and backs.
As Travis says, show control. I do not ever pay attention to what cast the handler gives the dog. I want to know if the dog improved his position to the bird, line or handler.
Janet
If the dog improves his position to the bird, the line or the handler, IMHO the dog is under control. I train with someone who has never given an angle cast of any kind. He teaches and gives only overs and backs and his dog takes only overs and backs. When his dog gets off line (where I would give an angle back) he gives an over (to put him back on line) and then a back. He is showing as much control as anyone who gives angles and backs.
As Travis says, show control. I do not ever pay attention to what cast the handler gives the dog. I want to know if the dog improved his position to the bird, line or handler.
Janet
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Hey Janet, your def. on meaning of the back..truck, over..bird statement is correct by the way. You see it a ton in trials. Backs on points usually cause "digging in". Water force & swim- by teach, "over" to more water. The over is actually a force command for those who do a thorough job of water basics. Sorry to hear about Wags.
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