What is the deal with Ole Miss

[kill m dux]

I have been attending Ole Miss games since I was three years old and until now we have never quit or laid down. We give up last year in the Egg Bowl and it seems to me like a growing trend. If O is such a fiery guy why cant he keep his players going for 60 min. This is pothetic. It doesnt bother me that we are young and we are gonna lose alot, but it does bother me that we dont play hard anymore. I never seen us quit during Tuberville's tenure or Cuttcliffe's tenure for that matter. Its hard to go watch a team that just gives up and I am sick of it. I commend MSU for playing hard the whole game. At least they give their fans a reason to go to the game!

[BBB]

Well I am sorry that all you Ole Pissers are soooooo low!

Hey Funky Monkey I just looked up what is a Demon Deacon......And the best I can tell it is a OLE PISSER ASS WHIPPER HA HA Oh $#!+ that was a good one!!!!!

[Greenhead22]

Wake Forest ran 58 plays on offense, 53 of which were running plays.

[mottlet]

What a merry bunch of losers we are on this site. Most of us are Ole Miss or State fans, so we suck. Webbie's disappeared since Gumbo's pigs beat 'em. Gumbo is having to talk schit about Ole Miss since he knows that the only thing that kept him from having to eat his guaranteed victory over Bama speech was the worst kicking performance of the millenium. LSU's already lost. And it turns out that the only real Auburn guy here went to Sewanee. Damn shame too, cause I used to have so much respect for the University of the South.

My line on the Rebs: a select few of us chose not to drink the Koolaide. And while I did not expect to lose to Wake 27-3, I didn't expect this year's team to be any better than last year's team. And friends, last year's Ole Miss football team sucked pretty bad.

Hotty Toddy fookers.
mottlet

[Po Monkey Lounger]

"Now, other than the fact that many in oxfart are stuck in the 80's preppie boy mentality."

Is this a cry for help? I detect deep seeded animosity, an inferiority complex, and insecurity issues. I would suggest seeing a professional psychiatrist. OR, you could just get out a little more ---out of Arkansas that is.

[Deltamud77]

Well, you can only go up from here...not trying to be cynical...just stating that all those freshmen will be sophs next and sophs juniors ect... Next year will be better.

Either Cut left Ole Miss with absolutely no talent or your coach is not that good, IMO. I am assuming it is the former because the entire coaching staff came to Ole Miss from top programs. I don't know if it is time to start questioning the coaching hire, but in my opinion, an SEC school losing to Wake at home in that fashion is unacceptable. Wake beat Duke by one point and Wake has since lost their starting running back who is supposed to be the best player on the team.

If ya'll don't think this type of losing want eventually hurt recruiting in a major way, you are crazy.

Ole Miss does, however, need to give O at least two more years. He will then have all of his guys in there in his system. See how things unfold at that point. I have a feeling things will be much better, but I also thought things would be much better by now. Who knows?

[webbmaster]

What a merry bunch of losers we are on this site. Most of us are Ole Miss or State fans, so we suck. Webbie's disappeared since Gumbo's pigs beat 'em. Gumbo is having to talk schit about Ole Miss since he knows that the only thing that kept him from having to eat his guaranteed victory over Bama speech was the worst kicking performance of the millenium. LSU's already lost. And it turns out that the only real Auburn guy here went to Sewanee. Damn shame too, cause I used to have so much respect for the University of the South.

My line on the Rebs: a select few of us chose not to drink the Koolaide. And while I did not expect to lose to Wake 27-3, I didn't expect this year's team to be any better than last year's team. And friends, last year's Ole Miss football team sucked pretty bad.

Hotty Toddy fookers.
mottlet

I havent disappeared. I've been too busy fearing for that kickers life.

[big gumbo]

Webb Webb Webb

What they hell is goin on in Tuscalooser, Ya;ll do realize that ya'll aren
t aboce .500 with Arkieville in conference paly, don't ya'll and guess what I see us beatin you at least two out of the next three and that would actually that afterthought of a team a winnig record against the might tide.
Yor qb back looked good he had his game on with the pass and yet they abandoned it when it counted most. If given the choice of Shula or Nutt, regrettably I'd stick with Nutt. Kines had poor Mitch confused to say the least but that 18 year old keep his head and made it right when it counted. Good thing too casue next time ya'll see him he'll be a sec old hand and very very good. Heres to more years of Bma pining for a dead guy

[webbmaster]

Webb Webb Webb

What they hell is goin on in Tuscalooser, Ya;ll do realize that ya'll aren
t aboce .500 with Arkieville in conference paly, don't ya'll and guess what I see us beatin you at least two out of the next three and that would actually that afterthought of a team a winnig record against the might tide.
Yor qb back looked good he had his game on with the pass and yet they abandoned it when it counted most. If given the choice of Shula or Nutt, regrettably I'd stick with Nutt. Kines had poor Mitch confused to say the least but that 18 year old keep his head and made it right when it counted. Good thing too casue next time ya'll see him he'll be a sec old hand and very very good. Heres to more years of Bma pining for a dead guy

You're right dumpo. You guys are the best! Very impressed with Arkansas and Nutt. You should be a dominating factor in the SEC for years to come.

[chopper30]

Schaffer for heisman!!!



How's ya'll's golden son doing this season?

[RebelYelp]

gumbo....

understand what you're saying, but..... when you come into the season with a totally new d-line, the oldest starter of which is a sophomore (thanks cut), and 3 of the starters on the d-line (not 3 or 4 defensive starters, 3 starters on JUST the defensive line) which is already very young/inexperienced go down, you're going to have problems. Most teams only have so much depth, and we are well below where most teams are on depth before injuries (agian, thanks cut).

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Ever feel like a bleeding hemopheliac in a water tank full of sharks?

Oh my. And the hits just keep on coming and coming.

[Deltamud77]

Just out of curiousity, how many D-linemen have quit under Orgeron (including those who O recruited)? I may be wrong, but I could swear that three or four D-linemen have quit the team since O's arrival.

Another tidbit that may only interest me, Cut's last year Ole Miss could have and should have beat LSU in Baton Rouge. That was a talented, Saban coached LSU team. Now Ole Miss might go down there and upset LSU this year, but it seems the team has actually gotten worse since O's arrival when you compare Ole Miss three years ago to now. I am just using LSU as a gauge since they are the team I am most familiar with.

Maybe O is stripping it down to bare metal or maybe the talent just ran dry under Cut, I don't know, but I think Cut's last team is better than this Rebel team.

Everybody on this forum probably knows I am an LSU fan. However, as a Mississippian and fan of the SEC, I am fine with Ole Miss winning every game except one every year. Therefore, please don't take my comments as throwing darts at UM or trying to kick you when your down. It is just my objective opinion.

At this point, to me, the O hire seems to look bad. Granted he is a great recruiter and you must have talent to compete in the SEC. However, you don't need much talent to beat the likes of Kentucky or Wake, teams that have soundly beaten the Rebels in consecutive weeks. Like Po Monk stated, maybe O's tenure will be a bridge to a better future due to an improvement in talent. Only the future will tell.

I still think you must give him two more years minimum as you are married to the guy, for better or for worse. You cannot fire a coach after two years and expect positive things. I don't believe, at this point, that things are going to improve much under O. Winning is contagious and so is losing.

Another question, if another season of three to four win football adversly affects recruiting this season, what will be your (Ole Miss alums and fans) perception of O? I ask this question because it seems that most Ole Miss fans seem to overlook the current product in lieu of the future because of recruiting. I guess what I am asking is if you cannot hang your hat on recruiting with O, what can you hang your hat on?

[RebelYelp]

not saying the hire has been great 77.....

your reference about Cut's last season here, that's exactly the season that things began to go downhill. Cut had 3 NFL caliber OL graduate and noone to replace them with..... again, the Eli syndrome, he had no plans for after those guys graduated. Keep in mind, Cut is the one that left us with "all" of the upperclassmen we have now, some are very talented, however, there's not enough of them to go around, especially when compared with the LSU's, UGA's, and UF's of the world.

As to the d-linemen who quit, Corey Mills and Chris Herring are the only two that come to mind...... keep in mind, both quit more than once on Cutcliffe, Orgeron just didnt' beg them back like Cut did. The other d-lineman to leave was Jada Brown, who was kicked off the team by Orgeron for violating team rules. Reterio Brown from SP didn't keep his grades, not that he'd have ever seen the field anyhow (horrible attitude). By the way..... none of those were interior linemen. DE isn't necessarily where we're thin.

Recruiting is still going well.... Strong, Laurent, Nevis, Williams, Elliott, and a few other names pop out as definite national recruits.

Basically, what i'm saying in this post, is that you've got to have the horses to win the race. If you watched saturday nights game, they just lined up and pounded the interior of our d-line, which is non-existant, partially a talent issue, and partially an injury depletion issue. It wasn't necessarily a coaching issue IMO.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

I still think we will begin to see improvement at some point before the end of this season. We have good assistant coaches and some good, young talent who are hungry for PT.

And PT is what Coach O will continue to sell to the recruits this year and even next. Delta, you are correct that Coach O will have to eventually show much improvement in the number of wins in order to continue to recruit well. IF all works out well, the turnaround may happen next season. IF so, then things should start to click. If not, then he likely only has one more year after that, and recruiting will begin to suffer.

Delta, I don't think there is any doubt now that Cut had no intentions of staying long term at UM after Eli graduated. He stopped recruiting well before Eli's senior year. But, the successful year on the field in 2003 somewhat masked the recruiting deficiencies and the coming disaster that some, even back then, were already pointing to in the midst of success on the field. I did not believe those folks at the time ---didn't want to believe them, but they unfortunately turned out to be right.

UM right now has about 65 scholarship players. (out of a total possible 85). We are essentially playing under probation type numbers. We are on self-imposed "Cutbation", with only one way out of the mess. RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT. And it is impossible to catch up in one or two years, as the most new scholarships any team can give each year is 25. There are rules that allow a team to add to that, by letting you re-use certain un-used scholarships from the fall for December (and I think UM has 2-3 to use in this category), when players do not make it, transfer, etc. The ONLY good thing about the low scholarship numbers is that Coach O can sign the maximum each year for at least the next 2-3 years, and can more quickly fill the roster with his players. That is little consolation now, but will help in the long haul.

Ole Miss's football team will only be as good as our OL and DL lets us. And right now, that is not very good. It does not mean we can't be good there at some point, as there is some young talent. But, right now, the inexperience of our young frosh and sophomores is showing up big time. Even where we have upperclassmen playing, with few exceptions they are also inexperienced. Such is why, on paper, this UM team looks like they should be better than they are.

But, I do think we have hit bottom and are on our slow journey back up. This was inevitable with the poor recruiting classes of 2002, 03, and '04. The culprit has already left the building and inhabits Knoxville these days, with a headset on up in a booth on game days ---right where he belongs.

Despite all the opinions of the Coach O supporters and the anti-Coach O crowd, we will not know whether Coach O (or any coach ) can turn this program around in short order until another year or two down the road. And, as bad as it looks now, I see no other choice than to let Coach O try to do just that. Either Coach O will grow into the job and become the coach for UM in the future, or he will remain just a DL position coach and good recruiter. IF the latter, then at least we should have some good players for the next coach, and some time for that prospective new coach to surface on the radar screen.