Blinds And Dogs
Blinds And Dogs
Hey guys I am looking for direction and testimonials on two subjects.The first are boat blinds.Comparing Avery to mud-buddy and beaver tail.If you have hunted with one of these please tell me what you liked or disliked,and if you have to drill to mount. The second subject is about Labs.What are your opinions on buying a started dog versus a puppy.And are the chesapeake retrievers as "hard headed" as some people say??? Thanks in advance for the replys.
Avery is the best. All of the others are playing catch up. Do yourself a favor and get the best first time out.
As for the install, I have done 2 and if I remember correctly, I paid attention the second time and it only took me a couple of hours.
Not going to tell you about the first time
As for Dogs, Chessy's are headstrong and more difficult to train than Labs, however the breed is very strong and it has not been watered down.
You can pretty much be sure that a Chessy puppy will have hunting instincts since they are not as popular with the Show Dog competitions like Golden's.
I say go for it. They are cool dogs and amazingly loyal
As for the install, I have done 2 and if I remember correctly, I paid attention the second time and it only took me a couple of hours.
Not going to tell you about the first time
As for Dogs, Chessy's are headstrong and more difficult to train than Labs, however the breed is very strong and it has not been watered down.
You can pretty much be sure that a Chessy puppy will have hunting instincts since they are not as popular with the Show Dog competitions like Golden's.
I say go for it. They are cool dogs and amazingly loyal
Avery works for me. You will get a video with the instructions and if you follow it step by step you can finish in 2-3 hrs. They do work great.
I do not know why anyone would consider anything but a Lab. They do the job with joy, are great around people and kids, and can be your house pet as well as your hunting dog. I have never had a Chesse, but after being around a few, I do not think you can make the same claims as above on a Chesse. They are tough hunting dogs, but that is it.
In regard to a started dog vs a pup, you need to decide what you want to do. Do you want enjoy the training? If not go with the started dog.
Just my 2 cents worth!
I do not know why anyone would consider anything but a Lab. They do the job with joy, are great around people and kids, and can be your house pet as well as your hunting dog. I have never had a Chesse, but after being around a few, I do not think you can make the same claims as above on a Chesse. They are tough hunting dogs, but that is it.
In regard to a started dog vs a pup, you need to decide what you want to do. Do you want enjoy the training? If not go with the started dog.
Just my 2 cents worth!
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I am willing to bet that if you can get a good idea of how the avery blind is built, you can get the supplies from the hardware store (or very close) for way the hell less than 600.00. And work just as well.
As for a Chessy, I know a couple a trainers in the Jackson area that will not even take them in. They are really hardheaded dogs... Once trained probably very fine dogs. Training them is the problem. Someone on this site will probably own one and I've stepped on their toes. If so sorry. Just love the Lab. You will get alot more satisfaction out of training the dog yourself if you have the time. TIME...
As for a Chessy, I know a couple a trainers in the Jackson area that will not even take them in. They are really hardheaded dogs... Once trained probably very fine dogs. Training them is the problem. Someone on this site will probably own one and I've stepped on their toes. If so sorry. Just love the Lab. You will get alot more satisfaction out of training the dog yourself if you have the time. TIME...
IF THEY SHOW ORANGE, CUT'EM
I have been extreamely satisfied with my Avery and it does help the resell value of your boat. I paid someone to put mine on and it was the best money I ever spent.
As far as dogs go.......
I have judged both Lab and Cheese in AKC hunt test and have passed both. The trainers that have been doing this a while will tell you that a lab is more receptive to training. I own two labs myself and enjoyed the many hours of training everyday while I had the time. It brings great pride to watch the little ligh bulb go off in their heads when they figure out what you are trying to teach them. tehy want to please you so much! whatchin a puppy mature into an adult hunting partner is a real treat if you have the time to invest in one or the money ot get some help when you get busy. Buying a started dog is OK, but you lose that bond that you get when you raise them from a puppy. even if you get a pro to help you with the basics and force fetch, since they are both very importeant to have done right, you still get that puppy bond to master relationship for the first six months. I would consultant with as many dog trainers as I could to try and locate a goooooooood dog! Now saying that I must say that you do not have to spend a $1000 dollars on a good dog, but I would spend more that $400. They are things you want to look for in a puppy. You want to take a bird with you to see if which one will chase it. You want to hold the on their back to see how they respond to handling, do they just lay there and do they fight you? Consultant good dog people that have been around good dogs. I can recomend a few good litters coming soon if you would like, just PM me for details if I can help you in any way!
As far as dogs go.......
I have judged both Lab and Cheese in AKC hunt test and have passed both. The trainers that have been doing this a while will tell you that a lab is more receptive to training. I own two labs myself and enjoyed the many hours of training everyday while I had the time. It brings great pride to watch the little ligh bulb go off in their heads when they figure out what you are trying to teach them. tehy want to please you so much! whatchin a puppy mature into an adult hunting partner is a real treat if you have the time to invest in one or the money ot get some help when you get busy. Buying a started dog is OK, but you lose that bond that you get when you raise them from a puppy. even if you get a pro to help you with the basics and force fetch, since they are both very importeant to have done right, you still get that puppy bond to master relationship for the first six months. I would consultant with as many dog trainers as I could to try and locate a goooooooood dog! Now saying that I must say that you do not have to spend a $1000 dollars on a good dog, but I would spend more that $400. They are things you want to look for in a puppy. You want to take a bird with you to see if which one will chase it. You want to hold the on their back to see how they respond to handling, do they just lay there and do they fight you? Consultant good dog people that have been around good dogs. I can recomend a few good litters coming soon if you would like, just PM me for details if I can help you in any way!
Red_Head wrote:I am willing to bet that if you can get a good idea of how the avery blind is built, you can get the supplies from the hardware store (or very close) for way the hell less than 600.00. And work just as well.
Good luck dude, I have seen many try, even with one to pattern off of and it is just not even close to the same.
one of the finest retrievers i ever hunted beside was a chessie... only problem was you had to carry a first aid kit to doctor your wounds.... that durn dog would eat you up.... you didn't have to do anything,,,,, he would just bite you for no reason..... nnedless to say, i didn't bring home any ducks.... his handler got them all....
but on second thought, no one ever stole anything out of his boat....
judge jb
but on second thought, no one ever stole anything out of his boat....
judge jb
luv2hunt,.
I know of a blind that is better than the Avery it is made by Burt Flemming who lives in greenwood and is about 250.00 dollars cheaper. This is installed looks and works great.
The chessie's are a hardheaded dog but some of the best duck dogs that i have seen have been chessies.
I know of a blind that is better than the Avery it is made by Burt Flemming who lives in greenwood and is about 250.00 dollars cheaper. This is installed looks and works great.
The chessie's are a hardheaded dog but some of the best duck dogs that i have seen have been chessies.
shoot'm in the lips
The avery blind is great. One might buy the material cheaper than the completed blind but you need to consider your time, effort and chance of not getting what you want in the end.
When I was a little greenwing I thought that the chessie would be "the" duck dog to have, but have been around enough of them to change my mind. Never heard a trainer speak highly of training a Cheasapeake, ever. Sure they are loyal, so is my Border collie! When hunting with a group expect the chessie to get ticked at somebody for no apparent reason. That is not a pleasant atmosphere. Get a Lab. Black 'un.
When I was a little greenwing I thought that the chessie would be "the" duck dog to have, but have been around enough of them to change my mind. Never heard a trainer speak highly of training a Cheasapeake, ever. Sure they are loyal, so is my Border collie! When hunting with a group expect the chessie to get ticked at somebody for no apparent reason. That is not a pleasant atmosphere. Get a Lab. Black 'un.
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caller1 you aint know expert on nuttin'
i guess when you get on the internet it make you feel smart or something
you dont even own an avery blind and i cant remember a time when you may have hunted out of one if you did what was so great about it the fact that you thought you might be able to borrow it someday!
as far as the dog situation you might want ot mention your training methods:
(throw dummy) Back!
now see bell how kyle brings back the dummy?
your turn bell
i guess when you get on the internet it make you feel smart or something
you dont even own an avery blind and i cant remember a time when you may have hunted out of one if you did what was so great about it the fact that you thought you might be able to borrow it someday!
as far as the dog situation you might want ot mention your training methods:
(throw dummy) Back!
now see bell how kyle brings back the dummy?
your turn bell
I have had both an Avery and a Beavertail. Of the two, Beavertail is a much better blind for how I hunt. The Avery is not even close. I sold it and the 12 pounds of extra hardware that came with it. Beavertail requires no drilling and it takes about 18 minutes to put it together.
So many ducks, so little time....
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Its hard to beat a good chessie... Hell, they'll take a small stick away from you, you need at least a 2x4!
Chessies are very SSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW to mature (compared to labs). All timetables are out the window when your talking chessies. Your not going to pressure a chessie to do anything, they do things when they think its a good ideal. Tough as they are, most are very senstive to training pressure, and don't give you the margin of error a lab would. In short, a first time dog trainer will have a tougher longer time to end up with as much as a lab (if he's lucky) with the same effort applied.
Remember what chessies where bred for. Big water, lots of ice. Not for a mississippi dove field. Not saying they can't do it, but we gets lots more heat than cold here.
Chessies seem to have more hip problems than even labs do. All the hunt in the world wont make up for a dog that hurts when he stands up.
I'll second the comment... git a lab. A black en. travis
Chessies are very SSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW to mature (compared to labs). All timetables are out the window when your talking chessies. Your not going to pressure a chessie to do anything, they do things when they think its a good ideal. Tough as they are, most are very senstive to training pressure, and don't give you the margin of error a lab would. In short, a first time dog trainer will have a tougher longer time to end up with as much as a lab (if he's lucky) with the same effort applied.
Remember what chessies where bred for. Big water, lots of ice. Not for a mississippi dove field. Not saying they can't do it, but we gets lots more heat than cold here.
Chessies seem to have more hip problems than even labs do. All the hunt in the world wont make up for a dog that hurts when he stands up.
I'll second the comment... git a lab. A black en. travis
Dear dear doctor,
Relax, brace yourself, maybe even have a seat (never mind , as if you were up doing anything). Just because you've never been hunting without me, you ready for this, I do go hunting without you!!!
Ergo, I have seen more and farther than you know!
"When you encounter difficulties and contradictions, do not try to break them; bend them with gentleness and time."---St. Francis de Sales
That goes for doctor and dogs.
Relax, brace yourself, maybe even have a seat (never mind , as if you were up doing anything). Just because you've never been hunting without me, you ready for this, I do go hunting without you!!!
Ergo, I have seen more and farther than you know!
"When you encounter difficulties and contradictions, do not try to break them; bend them with gentleness and time."---St. Francis de Sales
That goes for doctor and dogs.
Sound familiar?
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.- Karl Marx
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.- Karl Marx
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