Greed and the human condition.

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Postby Wingman » Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:56 am

Sounds like something from Psychology 101. But it also applies to Hunting 101.
I had a dove hunt Labor Day. Had about 300 birds taken by 17 hunters...including cripples I estimated. Most folks had their 15 birds by 8:00AM. About 4 hunters didn't limit, so I offered for them to come back that afternoon(although they could've finished up that morning). I thought all was well, until I emailed one man asking him how the hunt went. This man limited out by 8:00, and his son, who hunted for free, shot 8 or so birds. I asked them both if they wanted to go back out later and let the son finish his limit, but they declined and went home.


I quote: "I will say that we did have a great time shooting birds at your place on Monday. The shooting was fantastic and EDITED and I had a great time. I will admit that I did feel a little short changed as several other people did that the hunt was wrapped up so abruptly. I was under the impression that it was an all day event, I did not realize that everyone's bag limit would be so closely monitored, if so I would have stayed here in EDITED and paid 20.00 for an ALL DAY hunt."

"I realize from a conservationist viewpoint the 15 per day makes sense, but I did not realize that it would dictate the hunt for everyone, and I know that I wasn't alone in this feeling. I did shoot my limit that morning, after which I laid my shotgun down and sat with EDITED.... If I had known the plans for the short day I surely would not have laid my shotgun down."

"In closing I did think that the setup was outstanding, you were a very kind and hospitable host, but I do feel like everyone got a little short changed on the day. Next year I think you should let everyone know in your ad that the bag limits will be monitored and not exceeded...I would like to hunt again in the Delta, the wingshooting was amazing but I think next time if I drive all that way I want to be able to make a day of it. Thanks"


My point: this man was satisfied with shooting his 15 birds, until he found out he couldn't shoot another 15. He, as all the other hunters, signed a form saying he would abide by State and Federal game laws, including bag limits, wanton waste and shooting hours. He paid 100 dollars to hunt; I lowered my price and gave him 50 dollars back, to be fair to him because I lowered the price after he paid his money. He was not satisfied with shooting a limit in under 2 hours....he was not satisfied that his son hunted for free and shot birds. He wanted to take more than the limit, and blamed me for enforcing the law. I cannot regulate what I don't know, but if I knowingly let a hunter take over the limit(not talking about accidents or finding a crippled bird on the way out) then I am as guilty as the hunter.

After reading the USFWS article about the men from Sledge that got busted....I would encourage all of you....guides or not...to stay within the limit. I haven't always been a goody-goody, but the time for change is now. Is a fine, suspension and probation worth letting someone you don't know shoot over? Is it worth shooting over the limit yourself? Do doves and ducks taste SOOOO GOOOD that you just can't help yourself? Don't let greed...or peer pressure force you over to the Dark Side as someone put it. Besides....all the girls love X-wing drivers anyway ;)

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Postby MemphisStockBroker » Thu Sep 05, 2002 12:33 pm

amazing. and we wonder why our kids dont follow the rules at school, and that it is ok if the president of our country sleeps around on his wife. CEO's lie to their investors - and we wonder why our economy is falling apart at the seams. there seems to be no moral absolutes anymore. no men with balls enough to stand up for what is right. where in the hell are our country's principles -- the strong men who should make up the backbone of our country.

we just stand aside, and shut up to be 'politically correct' - while filth is played on our televisions and radios.... it is all wound up together. 'screw the rules, just do what is best for me' seems to be the motto of our country.

WIng, good for you buddy. Be a man of principles... I'll go to battle with you any day.
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Postby Don Miller » Thu Sep 05, 2002 2:03 pm

Anytime that you are dealing with the public you are going to have some A- hole that is not satisfied no matter what. You did the right thing. If you had let him continue to shoot, you would be just as guilty as him. Stick to your guns, be consistant and never comprises your principles and you will always have the right kind of repeat clients. GOOD FOR YOU!
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Postby duckhuntalot » Thu Sep 05, 2002 2:31 pm

Wingman way to go!

I would have personally loved the fact that I had shot my limit in two hours!! I received your pm. Thanks for the offer! Didn't get to hunt but for a short while Sunday evening nor at all Mon am. I had my kids this weekend and they weren;t too excited aboout the heat! I hunted at the field I mentioned earlier in my pm Monday evening. Four hunters (six birds in my bag) Didn't miss too many just weren't enough of us to keep them flying. The Delta is a big place when birds get shot at. They have numerous fresh cut fields to choose from now!
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Postby GulfCoast » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:58 pm

What a bufoon. You don't need customers like that.
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Postby RobertM » Thu Sep 05, 2002 4:12 pm

Man, there are some pathetic people out there. Get this, a friend of mine told me that her best friend's husband told her daughter that he was going hunting and was "going to shoot a bird's head off" that was why he was going. Now this is a 3 year old girl he told this garbage. If this little girl ever joins PETA, I dont think I could blame her for it after he idiot father told her that. This is the example of a hunter that some people see and what they base opinions on. One idiot can ruin something for a crowd of people.
People who dont respect wildlife shouldn't be hunting. Not respecting limits, and leaving birds laying dead, are prime examples of being a killer. Not a hunter. and definately not a SPORTSMAN.
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Postby judge jb » Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:37 pm

dang if you do,,,, dang if you don't...... just imagine if he hunted all day and didn't get a limit..... i can hear his booty hollering all the way up here....haha....

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Postby Wingman » Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:51 pm

Now this man was a very nice person...he never got angry (as far as I could tell) in his email, AND he thanked and complimented me on the hunt. But what shocked me, was that someone who got their limit in 2 hours....would complain that they couldn't hunt ALL DAY! Come on, I suppose if the hunting sucked, if he took one bird per hour, and HAD to hunt all day to get a limit, then he would've been happy.

"girls will be boys and boys will be girls. It's a mixed up, messed up shook up world.... 'cept for my Lola...L O L A Lola. "

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Postby judge jb » Thu Sep 05, 2002 7:06 pm

well i'm not the worlds most popular man, but i looked at her and she looked at me oh my Lola, L O L A lola..... think we on the same song Wingman.....

you can't please em all.. but you done right.... me and Welldoggie share the same thoughts on Party limits...... it takes the whole party to get a limit.....haha......

you provided a place to shoot, and it is the responsibility of the hunter to obey the laws of the land and that is out of your control..... you learned a valuble lesson...... stand your own ground of whats right.... you done good and i'm proud of you......

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Postby GulfCoast » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:49 pm

"but I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man, and so is Lola." The original "Dude looks like a lady" situation. :shock: Be carefull what ya pick up in a bar!
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Postby HARLEY » Thu Sep 05, 2002 11:16 pm

Maybe you got lucky and pissed this guy off enough he wont pay for a duck hunt this year! Congrats for sticking to what is right, I probably dont have to tell you it will pay-off in the long run.
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Postby DucknRev » Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:15 am

We who claim the name of Christ MUST be men(and women) of integrity(sp?). If we don't lift high the torch, who will? We can help change others by being willing to change ourselves first. I've told my congregation that the most important thing in the life of a Christian(aside from Bible study and Prayer-these are a given) is the way we act. People see that long before they see anything else. And actions DO speak louder than words.
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Postby Wingman » Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:58 am

Thing is, Rev, my actions don't always let people know I'm a Christian. Then I have to go and kick myself for acting a fool and live with the thought that I may have turned them away. Hey, reckon there's a "comeback call" for people?

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Postby duckhuntalot » Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:19 pm

"One day as the crowds were gathering, he went up on the hillside with his disciples and sat them down and taught them there." Matt. 5:1

"Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit produced." Matt. 7:20

"But those who hear my instructions and ignore them are foolish, like a man who builds his house on sand. For when the rains and floods come, and storm winds beat against his house, it will fall with a mighty crash." Matt. 7:26-27
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ANother take on Wingman's situation

Postby Hammer » Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:14 pm

Hunters tend to think of natural resources as some magical limitless bounty that has no end, when in fact, when one hunter takes more than his share, that affects the rest of us...For instance, I might want to hunt with Wingman this weekend or next or next...The more doves a game hog kills, the less there are for me and others to hunt...

WINGMAN: Please send me a PM about your hunts...I'm in good shape this weekend but I am looking for next weekend.

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