WMA open meeting in Jackson

[mottlet]

Oh yeah, one more thing....

If I'm gonna pay $15 or $50 or whatever to hunt PUBLIC land...yeah, I want to see what's being done with the money. Everybody loves to piss and moan about DU and Delta needing to account for the money they spend, how and where etc., why should this WMA fee be any different?

mottlet

[MSDuckmen]

Everybody's a pimp on the net. But Randy really does know a thing or two about ducks. Possibly, nay, even probably, more than the great Msduckmen.

My My I have hit a nerve with the Mottlet.. hehe
It is very possible that he may be the great white duckhunter of the world. I say congrats... But I was not crying over 15.00 or 50.00 fees. Or labeling everyone as he did.. But that is what people do isn't it?
Bottom line as you put it is that you can't go out to eat one day with your family for that kind of money anymore. For what you get to hunt all that land a 150.00 would be a deal.

[MSDuckmen]

And further more it is not me that thinks I'm the Best duckhunter. I was told from someone in the know... hehehe < laughing so I don't forget to laugh, just for ole mollet>

[MSDuckmen]

Everybody loves to piss and moan about DU and Delta needing to account for the money they spend, how and where etc., why should this WMA fee be any different?

Because WMA money is used here in this state... Get it..
DU and Delta use the majority somewhere besides here. When there are things HERE that need to be done..... Get it.

You want to know about money then ask the Department where our State Duckstamp money is going then you have a right to bitch..





Somebody call Paul Ott the Duckmen is at it again...

[sportsman450]

For what you get to hunt all that land a 150.00 would be a deal.

Everybody loves to piss and moan about DU and Delta needing to account for the money they spend, how and where etc., why should this WMA fee be any different?

Because WMA money is used here in this state...
DU and Delta use the majority somewhere besides here. When there are things HERE that need to be done...



Somebody call Paul Ott the Duckmen is at it again...

Ya know Dan, there is no valid argument ta what you're sayin here, but I'm sure someone has and will try.


And this is world-class:
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[Randy Wilson]

Dear MSDuckmen -

Thanks for reinforcing my point!

Hasta,

Randy

[mottlet]

It's may a heckuva deal for a million dollars, but that doesn't matter. It's public land. And if the public agency using those dollars isn't making improvements with my WMA fee (not to mention my tax dollars), somebody needs to answer for it. Because I don't have a choice. Wingman can't write me a ticket for not sending my check to DU. I'm not saying that it doesn't need improving or that the MDWFP is gonna go spend the money on a beef plant. But just because I think SB is a good guy doesn't mean I don't get to know where the money went.

It's just a different point of view. THAT'S ALL IT IS. Try not to become offended and launch into a whole host of defense mechanisms.

mottlet

[sportsman450]

mottlet -- here's my take on the situation.

It seems like I remember that when the first bruhaha about the $15 fee came up, that we were assured the money would go back into the WMAs. I don't know if that has been the case or not, but I do know this. As far as I'm concerned, the state is showing better results on the WMAs than anything DU, DW, or the fed's NWRs can claim, so it just seems like it's an investment chance that's well worth taking, and that's exactly what it is >>>----> an investment in OUR STATE'S wildlife resources.

Just one old fat man's less than humble opinion.

[DUCKAHOLIC]

Dan you are great,those signitures made me spit mountain dew all over the screen.

Oh'

and heres the bubbles.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

As I stated above, I am not against a fee increase (or hypothetical fee increase ), so long as it actually ADDS to the money in the coffers available for the MDWF&P to use. I don't have to have a personal accounting from Scott or Rob to support such a fee increase ---but I do want some assurance, if possible, that the extra money will increase the budget for the department.

The genesis of my concern arises out of information I got off of this board a few years ago that indicated that the MDWF&P annually generated more revenues (license fees, user fees, park entry fees, etc.) than the department's annual budget, with the surplus going into the state's general fund to be spent on things not related to wildlife or our natural resources under the control of the MDWF&P. If this information is not correct, and any increased fees will raise the department's budget by that much, then I am unqualifiedly in favor of such a hypothetical increase in the WMA permit.

I think my position is one of reason and logic. And I would hope that no one viewed my postion as "whining" about proposed fee increases or considers me a "taker" for even bringing this valid question up?


And just so no one is unclear, I am in favor of a statewide spinner ban for all. I like what Arkansas did with its laws, effective for all statewide. The hypothetical ban for just WMAs as a "first step", while unfair to public hunters, would be tolerable for a season as long as there was a publicly expressed true commitment from the MDWF&P to lobby hard for a statewide ban during the next legislative session in Jan. 07'. If the department is not committed to aggressively pursuing a statewide ban, then it should not ban the spinners on WMAs. Such not only would be patently unfair, but would demonstrate an elitist type favoritism to private landowners. I don't think MS needs to move in that direction.

And speaking of increased fees, it is past time for the feds to increase the amount of the federal waterfowl stamp. Those dollars, for the most part, are well spent and benefit all of us.

[MSDuckmen]

Dear MSDuckmen -

Thanks for reinforcing my point!

Yeah I understand where ya coming from

So Your Welcome!!!!


Po Monkey.
I fully understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with you. I have been told on more than one occasion that all those permit fees are being directed back to the WMA’s. That is why they call them WMA permits. I also understand that I won’t see a drastic change in management to those areas because of a 15.00 fee I’m paying. What I do know is that they are able to make improvements to the area that otherwise would not exist under the funding that was set aside for them before. I don’t pretend to know all of what they are doing with the money, but I trust the people working for the MDWF. They are doing the best they can with the resources allotted them. I also know that if the money wasn’t getting to them that I would have heard about it from the contacts I have. It was because of these contacts that I push for the permit the last two years to begin with. I posted most of the time on this topic for the fun that I knew I would see come out of it until our pal Randy decided to drag all you other boys through the mud hole with me. Problem is he never post until you bring up something about the WMA or National Forest. Then he wants to belittle you into believing he is above you – (hehe – I can relate to that) but he is not the all knowing and neither am I but at least I’m out there attempting to make a difference and not crying about the outcome of other peoples visions.

JMO

[strongriverducker1]

I think 50 is way to high. There are alot of lower class on the pay scale people that hunt the wma's around where I live that can not spare fifty dollars to kill a bunch of rabbits. We need to think about everone that this would effect. Besides, we all know that the wma's would never see this money.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Dan, sounds like we are on the same page, for the most part.

I too trust the MDWF&P staff, including good folks like SB and Wingman, to do their best with what they get. I just want them to get as much as possible. And if I gladly pay a $50 WMA fee, I want them to have all of this money to use on improving and enhancing our WMAs.

IMO, the future of good hunting in MS is not only tied to habitat conservation, but to increased public hunting opportunities. We need to enhance what we have, and increase the available quality lands to hunt through acquisition, land swaps, etc. And, all of these types of things require more money. And who better to provide it, than the folks who use it?

[mudsucker]

Soooooooo......... You guy's are saying that a State Agency will never misapropreate funds! (beef plant) even though they have fine individuals who work for them? I did not say that the money collected so far was not spent on good things, I just would like to see an accounting of it. I payed my fee last year and did not hunt on a WMA! I DO know that DU has spent some money towards a good project in a certian unnamed WMA and the results should be fantastic!(Unnamed so as not to attract the attention of our OOS'ers here! Did not say I would not pay more, just show us all(duck, rabbit, squirell,deer, coon, ect......hunters) what it goes toward! Dan we gonna plant some Cypress trees this year, or what?
Joe Mitchell

[MSDuckmen]

All you have to do is request where the money went. It is availible for the public to see. All you have to do is request it. Just as a group of us have requested a complete accounting of the duck Stamp money.


TREES----

Man I would love to plant some trees but I can't seem to find anyone to donate any. Ramrod always took care of me in the cypress department and he hasn't had much to do with me lately so I didn't call him begging for trees.

When Hardin was heading up the DW here he had planned to appropreate some money for me to buy trees and get the scouts involved in helping plant.
But he passed the torch and the new guy didn't call me to help this past year so I just let that fly.

I had a couple hundred oaks that I have already put out this year.

Have you seen how big those cypress at the Res has already gotten. Just too kool.

If you can assist in locating some trees I'm all in...