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that website was wrong here is the real one: www.mvk.usace.army.mil/offices/pp/yazoobackwater/backwater.asp
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Pintail,
Thanks for the link, but I hav eread the corps version and after looking at other views of the project I see flaws.
This is for me a very personal issue. I was born and riased there in Vicksburg, and grew up hunting and fishing in the area this project will impact. I have come to this forium before to ask people of their opinion of it. The people who live in the area were given a chance to vote on this and they voted against it, at which point the COE changed the rules so that they would not have to have matching funding by claining that it was not a new project but "maintinance".
I have hunted and fished the bottom lands there all my life and have great concern for any alteration of the hydrology of the area. The prospect of shunting water from the north delta is just a plain bad idea, we all live down ste=ream from someone.
The orgonization American Rivers lists the Big Sunflower as one of the nations top ten endangered rivers due to this project.
Further the EPA review has shown that the cost/benifit numbers used by the COE are flawed.
Here is a quote from American rivers:
"The Corps wants to construct the world's largest hydraulic pumping plant near the mouth of the Big Sunflower, a project one former Secretary of the Interior called the "most cockamamie" proposition he had ever heard.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Yazoo Pumps will damage over 200,000 acres of ecologically significant wetlands, seven times as many acres as private developers damage in a year. The pumps will alter the natural hydrology of another 725,000 acres of habitat, including the Big Sunflower River.
The project's true purpose is in striking contrast with longstanding federal policy, which offers financial incentives to farmers to conserve wetlands. One analysis commissioned by the EPA concluded that the Corps has exaggerated the agricultural benefits of the pumps by $144 million.
One of the world's most abundant mussel beds is found in Mississippi's Big Sunflower River. Photo: Louie Miller.
In addition to the pumps, the Corps has decided to dredge 104 miles of the Big Sunflower River to speed water flow out of the watershed. The dredging will devastate the river's instream habitat, destroy at least 43% of the river's exceptionally abundant mussel beds, and damage another 3,600 acres of wetlands.
DDT, dieldrin, and toxaphene have accumulated at the bottom of the river, but the Corps made its decision to dredge without bothering to examine the potential for resuspending these chemicals or the impacts of dumping the contaminated sediment along the river's banks.
Despite the tremendous ecological impacts of this project, dredging the Big Sunflower will not spare a single acre of land from flooding. It will merely reduce the duration of floods that will continue to occur on 55,000 acres of farmland.
The Corps wants to construct the world's largest hydraulic pumping plant near the mouth of the Big Sunflower, a project one former Secretary of the Interior called the "most cockamamie" proposition he had ever heard.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Yazoo Pumps will damage over 200,000 acres of ecologically significant wetlands, seven times as many acres as private developers damage in a year. The pumps will alter the natural hydrology of another 725,000 acres of habitat, including the Big Sunflower River.
The project's true purpose is in striking contrast with longstanding federal policy, which offers financial incentives to farmers to conserve wetlands. One analysis commissioned by the EPA concluded that the Corps has exaggerated the agricultural benefits of the pumps by $144 million.
One of the world's most abundant mussel beds is found in Mississippi's Big Sunflower River. Photo: Louie Miller.
In addition to the pumps, the Corps has decided to dredge 104 miles of the Big Sunflower River to speed water flow out of the watershed. The dredging will devastate the river's instream habitat, destroy at least 43% of the river's exceptionally abundant mussel beds, and damage another 3,600 acres of wetlands.
DDT, dieldrin, and toxaphene have accumulated at the bottom of the river, but the Corps made its decision to dredge without bothering to examine the potential for resuspending these chemicals or the impacts of dumping the contaminated sediment along the river's banks.
Despite the tremendous ecological impacts of this project, dredging the Big Sunflower will not spare a single acre of land from flooding. It will merely reduce the duration of floods that will continue to occur on 55,000 acres of farmland.
The Corps wants to construct the world's largest hydraulic pumping plant near the mouth of the Big Sunflower, a project one former Secretary of the Interior called the "most cockamamie" proposition he had ever heard.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Yazoo Pumps will damage over 200,000 acres of ecologically significant wetlands, seven times as many acres as private developers damage in a year. The pumps will alter the natural hydrology of another 725,000 acres of habitat, including the Big Sunflower River.
The project's true purpose is in striking contrast with longstanding federal policy, which offers financial incentives to farmers to conserve wetlands. One analysis commissioned by the EPA concluded that the Corps has exaggerated the agricultural benefits of the pumps by $144 million"
I am aware of the benifits of WRP and support it, but the area of mitigation proposed by the corp does not come anywhere close to the number of effected acres if this project goes ahead.
M.B.
Thanks for the link, but I hav eread the corps version and after looking at other views of the project I see flaws.
This is for me a very personal issue. I was born and riased there in Vicksburg, and grew up hunting and fishing in the area this project will impact. I have come to this forium before to ask people of their opinion of it. The people who live in the area were given a chance to vote on this and they voted against it, at which point the COE changed the rules so that they would not have to have matching funding by claining that it was not a new project but "maintinance".
I have hunted and fished the bottom lands there all my life and have great concern for any alteration of the hydrology of the area. The prospect of shunting water from the north delta is just a plain bad idea, we all live down ste=ream from someone.
The orgonization American Rivers lists the Big Sunflower as one of the nations top ten endangered rivers due to this project.
Further the EPA review has shown that the cost/benifit numbers used by the COE are flawed.
Here is a quote from American rivers:
"The Corps wants to construct the world's largest hydraulic pumping plant near the mouth of the Big Sunflower, a project one former Secretary of the Interior called the "most cockamamie" proposition he had ever heard.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Yazoo Pumps will damage over 200,000 acres of ecologically significant wetlands, seven times as many acres as private developers damage in a year. The pumps will alter the natural hydrology of another 725,000 acres of habitat, including the Big Sunflower River.
The project's true purpose is in striking contrast with longstanding federal policy, which offers financial incentives to farmers to conserve wetlands. One analysis commissioned by the EPA concluded that the Corps has exaggerated the agricultural benefits of the pumps by $144 million.
One of the world's most abundant mussel beds is found in Mississippi's Big Sunflower River. Photo: Louie Miller.
In addition to the pumps, the Corps has decided to dredge 104 miles of the Big Sunflower River to speed water flow out of the watershed. The dredging will devastate the river's instream habitat, destroy at least 43% of the river's exceptionally abundant mussel beds, and damage another 3,600 acres of wetlands.
DDT, dieldrin, and toxaphene have accumulated at the bottom of the river, but the Corps made its decision to dredge without bothering to examine the potential for resuspending these chemicals or the impacts of dumping the contaminated sediment along the river's banks.
Despite the tremendous ecological impacts of this project, dredging the Big Sunflower will not spare a single acre of land from flooding. It will merely reduce the duration of floods that will continue to occur on 55,000 acres of farmland.
The Corps wants to construct the world's largest hydraulic pumping plant near the mouth of the Big Sunflower, a project one former Secretary of the Interior called the "most cockamamie" proposition he had ever heard.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Yazoo Pumps will damage over 200,000 acres of ecologically significant wetlands, seven times as many acres as private developers damage in a year. The pumps will alter the natural hydrology of another 725,000 acres of habitat, including the Big Sunflower River.
The project's true purpose is in striking contrast with longstanding federal policy, which offers financial incentives to farmers to conserve wetlands. One analysis commissioned by the EPA concluded that the Corps has exaggerated the agricultural benefits of the pumps by $144 million.
One of the world's most abundant mussel beds is found in Mississippi's Big Sunflower River. Photo: Louie Miller.
In addition to the pumps, the Corps has decided to dredge 104 miles of the Big Sunflower River to speed water flow out of the watershed. The dredging will devastate the river's instream habitat, destroy at least 43% of the river's exceptionally abundant mussel beds, and damage another 3,600 acres of wetlands.
DDT, dieldrin, and toxaphene have accumulated at the bottom of the river, but the Corps made its decision to dredge without bothering to examine the potential for resuspending these chemicals or the impacts of dumping the contaminated sediment along the river's banks.
Despite the tremendous ecological impacts of this project, dredging the Big Sunflower will not spare a single acre of land from flooding. It will merely reduce the duration of floods that will continue to occur on 55,000 acres of farmland.
The Corps wants to construct the world's largest hydraulic pumping plant near the mouth of the Big Sunflower, a project one former Secretary of the Interior called the "most cockamamie" proposition he had ever heard.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Yazoo Pumps will damage over 200,000 acres of ecologically significant wetlands, seven times as many acres as private developers damage in a year. The pumps will alter the natural hydrology of another 725,000 acres of habitat, including the Big Sunflower River.
The project's true purpose is in striking contrast with longstanding federal policy, which offers financial incentives to farmers to conserve wetlands. One analysis commissioned by the EPA concluded that the Corps has exaggerated the agricultural benefits of the pumps by $144 million"
I am aware of the benifits of WRP and support it, but the area of mitigation proposed by the corp does not come anywhere close to the number of effected acres if this project goes ahead.
M.B.
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The bottom line is that the Corps of Engineers is no friend to ducks or duck hunters.
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AMEN!!!!! Hambone the dont do a damn thing for the ducks up here in north Ms along the Waterway. The only thing they care about is the main channel and keeping it open. Alot and I mean alot of the outside of the channel now in Becker Bottonm is growing grass due to the silting and dredging of the channel.Same thing is happening in the other pools too and some of the boat ramps. Pretty soon some of us duckers have been talking about in the near future having to use airboats to get around and at the present pace the silting is going in 3 to 5 years you wont be able too get outside of the the channel in a heck of alot of places. If you dont go to the channel and keep up with what what you will tear the motor and transon off a boat. I hope that they dont get ahold of the White river bottom in AR. cause all they will do is screw up everything around it. If any of you AR guys are reading this and they do get it you might as well go ahead and open up either a marina or start selling boats and jet skis. If they do like they did over here in North MS. they will say the just dont have the funds do do much. I personally dont have very much for the COE or the ppl that run it over here on this side of the state!!!!!!!!I hope they dont try to blow smoke up all the ppls asses in the delta and AR. that they will bring all this industry to the outlying areas. ALl we got is weyerhauser chipping mills, but I will say that the TIMBER CUTTING business picked up alot. And jet skis, ski boat and pontoons sales went through the roof.
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Pintail....i'm not sure if i know you or not, but i do know several duck hunters at COE in V'burg(but i'm sure there are more than a few!) my father and i both used to work at the USFWS in V'burg.
anyway...my only question is this, if the pumps are such a great idea, then why is the corps and the very few landowners in the affected area the only ones to support their construction? all the outside influences and organizations have come down pretty hard on them, that cannot be a simple coincidence.
mottlet
anyway...my only question is this, if the pumps are such a great idea, then why is the corps and the very few landowners in the affected area the only ones to support their construction? all the outside influences and organizations have come down pretty hard on them, that cannot be a simple coincidence.
mottlet
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well fellas i can see that yall are a hard bunch to win over. The COE has left a bad taste in the mouth of many, and i admit alot of our projects are Fed influenced from Washington, but we do the best we can with what we have. I agree with yall tht the COE has done alot to screw up things for some people, particularly hunters, but all i can say is that I am trying to help. I was just like yall...hated the COE and the way they did things, and figured the best way to change things was to join them and change from the inside. From the outside our projects have flaws and interest groups are quick to point them out, but they never print the good things....for instance the Yazoo Backwater would make a 17.4% inc in terrestrial habitat, 18.7% inc in aquatic resources, 23.5% inc of wetland functionl value.....but here is the one that they all want to print...the 42.1% loss of waterfowl foraging habitat value...but they never put that according to the USFWS, the overall benefit that results from the reforestation of 62,500 acres far exceeds losses of foraging habitat. This is just one example of many. Hey i don't blame yall for being upset, but if you ever have any problem the only way to change it is contact us and make your positon known. email me anytime
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If you want to see some coe work and it's benefit's ha ha come to calhoun co.and grenada lake backwater's.When i was a kid had green tree hunting now all dead,so thick if you don't have privet land that is still farmed your out of luck.Good for hog's though.The coe bought alot of the farm land with the promis to keep water drained [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] river blocked now you might get a crop in and you might not.
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