February 19, 2006
Baiting bills await action in committee
The Clarion-Ledger
Two baiting bills are among three pieces of deer hunting legislation still in the Senate Committee on Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks.
Committee chairman Lynn Posey, D-Union Church, has not indicated how the two baiting bills from the House will be handled but did say he wasn't in favor of a bill that would change the deer season format south of I-20 and that it likely would not get through his committee.
HB 1243 would increase Zone 2 for deer to all areas south of I-20, moving back the opening of archery from Oct. 1 to Oct. 15 and allowing archery and primitive weapons through Feb. 15.
"We set up Zone 2 in southeast Mississippi based on biological needs," Posey said. "Those conditions don't exist throughout the entire area south of I-20."
Based on Posey's comments, it appears unlikely that either of the two baiting bills, HB 919 and HB 1089, can pass as received.
"The line-of-sight wording in 919 is too vague and I'm not sure that 1089 is fair in that only certain counties could have legalized baiting," he said, adding he couldn't support any baiting legislation that didn't turn it completely over to the wildlife commission and agency to design and regulate.
Well, here we go again...
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Greenhead22
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cwinkler wrote:Ok, Ok. I know I'll probably get raked over the coals for this, but let me present a situation for you. I grew up hunting in TX where hunting over a feeder is legal (My Dad still hunts there). He and his brother hunt on 200 acres and they have about 3 feeders running year round with a mixture of Grain, Corn and Protein Pellets. This provides food for Quail, Dove, Turkey, Deer, and unfortunaly a whole lot of hogs.
What is the difference between this and hunting over a food plot. You don't expect me to believe all of those food plots are to prevent soil erosion now do ya?
peewee, before you quote me on something you might want to read my inital post...
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You know when I moved to MS 10 years ago, I hooked up with some guys at the office and got into thier deer camp with them, the first thing they said to me was.
"Now this aint TX boy, you just can't set up your stand over a feeder and start hunting here." "We don't allow hunting over bait here" I said alright show me how you hunt then..
They said "Come back in Sept-Oct get on this here tractor and plant you a food plot. Then set your stand on it and wait for the deer to come out"..
I have hunted both in TX and MS for over 10 years now, and I have killed a lot more deer on a food plot in MS than I ever have over a feeder in TX.
So no matter if the bait grows from the ground, falls from the sky, is a salad bar or a chocolate factory it is still baiting..
"Now this aint TX boy, you just can't set up your stand over a feeder and start hunting here." "We don't allow hunting over bait here" I said alright show me how you hunt then..
They said "Come back in Sept-Oct get on this here tractor and plant you a food plot. Then set your stand on it and wait for the deer to come out"..
I have hunted both in TX and MS for over 10 years now, and I have killed a lot more deer on a food plot in MS than I ever have over a feeder in TX.
So no matter if the bait grows from the ground, falls from the sky, is a salad bar or a chocolate factory it is still baiting..
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"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them"
-George Washington
The botton line is that no matter if it is legal or not, the people who like hunting over bait will hunt over it and the people who don't like it want.
The anti-baiters always argue that it will cause disease and if thats the case i sure haven't heard that the deer and other animals in Texas have had a problem with disease and there is a large population of deer in Texas and alot of real big deer also. and finally it is a hell of alot harder to kill a deer over bait with a bow at 20yards that with a rifle at 75yards in a green field.
The anti-baiters always argue that it will cause disease and if thats the case i sure haven't heard that the deer and other animals in Texas have had a problem with disease and there is a large population of deer in Texas and alot of real big deer also. and finally it is a hell of alot harder to kill a deer over bait with a bow at 20yards that with a rifle at 75yards in a green field.
pmullen wrote: it is a hell of alot harder to kill a deer over bait with a bow at 20yards that with a rifle at 75yards in a green field.
I disagree.
"When the last tree has been cut and the last river has dryed up and the last wildlife has vanished we will finally realize that we can not eat money".
peewee wrote:
Lets compare this to humanites:
One would be a salad bar with year round use, one would be a chocalate candy factory that is put there for a small part of the season only to accomplish one thing.
Is there a difference, you bet your booty it is, cause if it wasn't corn wouldn't be so popular.
Well, take it one step further. If you run your corn feeder year-round, is it OK?
If you run your corn feeder year round how much crude protein is being put out. Last bag I saw was 7%. Cwinkler you tell me how many folks do you believe that are going to feed year round protein pellets. Not very many, if they could afford that they would just rent a tractor. Be cheaper in the long run.
Now I normally dont hunt food plots, I have one and hunted it twice this past season. I personally believe mature bucks rarely feed in food plots during daylight hour. My cuddeback basically backs up my theory, and its only 2 months old. We may have three to four good bucks killed off a food plot at the camp each year but the majority we kill come out of the woods or wrp fields.
Now I normally dont hunt food plots, I have one and hunted it twice this past season. I personally believe mature bucks rarely feed in food plots during daylight hour. My cuddeback basically backs up my theory, and its only 2 months old. We may have three to four good bucks killed off a food plot at the camp each year but the majority we kill come out of the woods or wrp fields.
Peewee
peewee, your right, not everyone will put out food year round, but not everyone follows the law the way it is written now anyway.
I know one of the main arguments to putting a feeder out as opposed to a green patch is that the green patch is going to provide a lasting food source.
Well if you plant a green patch in the spring and in the fall year after year after year, aren't you conditioning that deer to feed there regularly.. Just like if you feed a feeder year round and the deer hear the corn sling out and come when the feeder goes off.
You could make a case that if you throw out 2 bags of corn on the ground and hunt over it for 3 or 4 days that it is more of a fair chase than hunting over a green patch or feeder where deer get used to coming to it with no hunting pressuer 9 months out of the year and feel safe.
There are just so many sides to this issue. All I am saying is that everyone thinks that be able to hunt over corn is going to be the end all be all of hunting in MS...I have hunted this way for years in TX, it just aint gonna ruin hunting here in this state. I personally don't care one way or the other, they need to either ban all baiting with stiffer fines for those who break the law or legalize it all...
I know one of the main arguments to putting a feeder out as opposed to a green patch is that the green patch is going to provide a lasting food source.
Well if you plant a green patch in the spring and in the fall year after year after year, aren't you conditioning that deer to feed there regularly.. Just like if you feed a feeder year round and the deer hear the corn sling out and come when the feeder goes off.
You could make a case that if you throw out 2 bags of corn on the ground and hunt over it for 3 or 4 days that it is more of a fair chase than hunting over a green patch or feeder where deer get used to coming to it with no hunting pressuer 9 months out of the year and feel safe.
There are just so many sides to this issue. All I am saying is that everyone thinks that be able to hunt over corn is going to be the end all be all of hunting in MS...I have hunted this way for years in TX, it just aint gonna ruin hunting here in this state. I personally don't care one way or the other, they need to either ban all baiting with stiffer fines for those who break the law or legalize it all...
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"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them"
-George Washington
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them"
-George Washington
How much protein IS put out via corn vs. food plots? And why should that matter? If you want to feed deer corn on a year round basis, what's the harm?
And by the way, I am watching this debate from the sidelines. I'm not much of a deer hunter and don't really care if baiting is legalized or not.
It just seems to me that the fact-based arguments against baiting don't hold much water and it all boils down to whether or not you think it's ethical to hunt over corn.
And by the way, I am watching this debate from the sidelines. I'm not much of a deer hunter and don't really care if baiting is legalized or not.
It just seems to me that the fact-based arguments against baiting don't hold much water and it all boils down to whether or not you think it's ethical to hunt over corn.
Hambone there is harm that comes with corn. Alot of folks tell me I am crazy but I have picked up dead turkeys in 1999 and 2000 due to afflatoxin poisoning. Made me damn sick and want to kick folks out of their clubs for doing this crap. (If you cant tell, I love turkeys 
). This happened around some of the following counties, adams, copiah and franklin. It was on timber company land I was checking. I garanttee you by the time this thread is over someone will blast me for saying the turkeys died to afflatoxins and they know more than top wildlife biologist in the state.
). This happened around some of the following counties, adams, copiah and franklin. It was on timber company land I was checking. I garanttee you by the time this thread is over someone will blast me for saying the turkeys died to afflatoxins and they know more than top wildlife biologist in the state.Peewee
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peewee wrote:Hambone there is harm that comes with corn. Alot of folks tell me I am crazy but I have picked up dead turkeys in 1999 and 2000 due to afflatoxin poisoning. Made me damn sick and want to kick folks out of their clubs for doing this crap. (If you cant tell, I love turkeys
Now you're hitting a subject near and dear to me...the wild turkey. Forgive me, but I have to ask how you knew that the turkeys died from afflatoxin? I have read about the afflatoxin issue, but my (admittedly) limited research seems to show that it's more of a speculative than a real threat. And of course, I have to drag up Texas, which has lots of deer, turkeys and bait feeders. What's the deal?
Hambone I have never heard of research that shows it being afflatoxins killing turkeys as being specualtive. Contact Dr. Hurst at MSU and see if he thinks it is speculative. He knows a little about turkeys too.
Conditions in Texas aren't the same as in MS. You ever heard of dry heat. There is still possibilities that some of the corn in Texas will carry some level of afflatoxins and the fungus can still grow. But here in our part of the world it is alot more humid which creates perfect conditions for fungi. Hence that would make afflatoxins a much more serious threat to birds and small game species. Years that have extreme drought or extreme wet weather are particullary dangerous years. These years create stress upon ag. crops which make them more succeptible in aquiring disease and fungi.
I am done with this issue, there are to many backyard biologist that have all the answers but no true solutions. They seemingly know more than all the experts that have devoted their entire life to helping out wildlife and habitat and somehow or another all this time the backyard biologis (also called couch biologitst) knows more simply by watching the outdoor channel 3 nights a week and Dan Moultrie teaching him feeding techniques. I wouldn't suppose old Dan would have nothing to gain would he.
Conditions in Texas aren't the same as in MS. You ever heard of dry heat. There is still possibilities that some of the corn in Texas will carry some level of afflatoxins and the fungus can still grow. But here in our part of the world it is alot more humid which creates perfect conditions for fungi. Hence that would make afflatoxins a much more serious threat to birds and small game species. Years that have extreme drought or extreme wet weather are particullary dangerous years. These years create stress upon ag. crops which make them more succeptible in aquiring disease and fungi.
I am done with this issue, there are to many backyard biologist that have all the answers but no true solutions. They seemingly know more than all the experts that have devoted their entire life to helping out wildlife and habitat and somehow or another all this time the backyard biologis (also called couch biologitst) knows more simply by watching the outdoor channel 3 nights a week and Dan Moultrie teaching him feeding techniques. I wouldn't suppose old Dan would have nothing to gain would he.
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